Of course, history is all a lie, isn't it?

xD all these comments

ImgFlip would let me reply to this comment:

"...you expect us to listen to you when you literally made a depressing suicidal poem?"

That was poem was part of the lyrics to Institutionalized by Suicidal Tendencies. I just felt it was appropriate at the time.
https://youtu.be/LoF_a0-7xVQ

Oops. I meant to say, ImgFlip would NOT let me reply to this comment. They took the Reply hyperlink off of your comment so I had to reply up here.

Here's a hint to the truth.

This party favored conservatism, limited government, and states rights in the mid 19th century.

In the early 21st century, this party also holds those very same values.

Is there a problem with limited government and states rights? It was what this nation was founded and EVERYONE supported those two concepts, not just the Democrats who supported slavery.

The 14th amendment just about obliterated states rights in order to end slavery. States rights was never centered around slavery, it was just being used by pro-slave states to hang on to it.

When limited government and states rights lost favor was in the early 20th century when the Marxist Progressives infiltrated our government and society with the idea of the nanny state. Even a lot of conservatives buy into some of that crap.

For some bizarre reason, which no one can figure out, the left things that states rights equals slavery. Nothing could be further from the truth. States rights was about state autonomy. States were given the right to pass laws without the federal government to have any power to override their laws.

Conservatives today talk about states rights 1) because it was a guarantee under the 9th and 10th amendment and 2) the Federal Government has grow far too powerful and far too corrupt and the states want that autonomy back to protect themselves form an overbearing Federal Government.

Power corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimately. The Democrats and a whole lot of Republicans have grow the power and scope of our government pretty much from the beginning. The Federal Government is more powerful and more corrupt than it has ever been, regardless of who is the president or what party has the majority in Congress.

"The 14th amendment just about obliterated states rights in order to end slavery"

The 14th Amendment didn't end slavery, the 13th did. And are you saying states should have been able to allow slavery?

"For some bizarre reason, which no one can figure out, the left things that states rights equals slavery"

No one said that

"States rights was about state autonomy. States were given the right to pass laws without the federal government to have any power to override their laws"

And many states passed horrible laws, such as allowing for slavery. And then the federal govt had to step in and say "no, you can't do that because it's inhumane."

"the states want that autonomy back to protect themselves form an overbearing Federal Government"

That's what they'll tell people, at least

"The 14th Amendment didn't end slavery, the 13th did. And are you saying states should have been able to allow slavery?"

Yes I know that but it needed the 14th amendment to give a serious blow to states rights in order for the 13th to have any effect.

"No one said that"

I've been hearing that for years now.

"And many states passed horrible laws"

Yes I know that. And the Federal Government has passed many more horrible laws, such as the income tax and Federal Reserve under Woodrow Wilson. Welfare under LBJ and so on.

"And then the federal govt had to step in and say 'no, you can't do that because it's inhumane.'" That is true. There was a large faction of our early politicians who thought it was inhumane from the beginning of the country.

"That's what they'll tell people, at least"

And you just told me that no one on the left equates states rights with slavery. Tsk tsk tsk. Putting limits on governmental overreach is exactly what states rights was designed to do in the first place.

The Democratic Party supporting slavery? False.

LOL!!!! No of course not. Democrats never supported slavery except in all of the blue states on that map.

You're catching on!

Now go back and tell me why that doesn't apply to the whole party which is exactly what I referred to for this very reason!

Nothing is monolithic. However, in the South the Democrat party was as close to monolithic as you can get. In most political races, no other party even bothered to run.

Being the dominating or majority party is not being monolithic.
The northern faction of the party selecting their own separate - a first for them - and anti-slavery candidate for the Election of 1860 is a pretty good indication that they weren't.

Despite this absolutely silly Russian invented divisive nonsense whipped up to seed dissension by their propaganda agents, a party is just a party. It reflects the ideals and will of its membership, not vice versa.

That anti-slavery candidate was Abraham Lincoln. He was part of the newly formed Republican party that came out of the abolitionist movement within the Whig party. The Whig party had just fallen apart prior to the formation of the Republican party.

Up until the early 1960's blacks were predominantly Republican. Martin Luther King was a Republican until he made a deal with JFK.

When Lyndon Johnson came up with the idea of the Great Society and public welfare his plan was to, as he said, "I'll have those n*****rs voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".

What he got wasn't just a nearly unanimous party switch among blacks but also a ton of poor whites jumped on that free money bandwagon.

"Despite this absolutely silly Russian invented divisive nonsense whipped up to seed dissension by their propaganda agents, a party is just a party. It reflects the ideals and will of its membership, not vice versa."

One would think that but there is just far too much evidence that the Democrats (with the exception of JFK and maybe Truman) had been overrun by Marxist Progressives. Woodrow Wilson was definitely Progressive. Franklin Roosevelt leaned Progressive, because of his wife, but his problem was that he listened to Keynes for his economic advice and prolong the Great Depression for 10 years.

But during this era writers like Ayn Rand, George Orwell and Aldus Huxley saw communism making its way into our politics and wrote their fiction masterpieces because of it. Rand was especially keen to see it because she had escaped from the USSR and saw the very same kinds of policies trying to make their way into our government.

Even today most Cuban and Venezuelan refugees when they see what the Democrats are doing, they run from it because that is what they escaped and they want no part of it.

Yeah, totally. Too bad no one told old Abe.

The Southern Democrats split off because Douglas was willing to allow states & territories to opt out of having slavery, seeing it as a dying institution. The South wanted a firm gaurantee of it.

Other than MLK's niece, there is no indication that MLK was Republican or even registered with any party. He did say he voted for LBJ.

That LBJ quote came from a book published in 1996. For 33 years prior unto 1963 when he supposedly said it, the comment simply did not exist. That's why no one heard it before, and in 1996, only one person on the entire planet claimed to have.
LBJ's support for Welfare & Food Stamps, btw, had to do with primarily Appalachians.

Growing support for the Democrtic Party came from people the Republican Party wasn't supporting. Weird how that works, huh?

yadda yadda something about Marxism and the very people who lead the fight against it...

Ah, Orwell. The vodka drinking Vwinstonova Smithnovaski who lived in... oh, wait, wrong book.
1984 was published in 1948, get it? Gin drinking Winston Smith lived in Britain, get it? It's about how ALL goverments work.

Some nonsense about Cubans and Venezuelans running from Democrats.
The GOP has never ceased telling Cubans that the fast-tracked citizenship and free rents, free education, interest free loans, grants, etc they get was somehow Republicans' doing, that and how they're gonna get Fidel one day that isn't yet today. It wasn't. Still, that stuffed carrot has been enough to seduce their vote.

Yeah I have read some stuff about Lincoln that lead me to believe ending slavery was his highest priority. Even the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't so much about ending slavery but punishing states that fought against the Union. The Emancipation Proclamation let those states are counties that helped the Union keep their slaves. It wasn't until the 13th amendment that slavery actually ended.

However, that does not mean that the Republican party was not founded on abolitionism. That was the party's raison d'être.

"Other than MLK's niece, there is no indication that MLK was Republican"

Other than history I guess you're right. Alveda King was a Democrat. She became close to Glenn Beck when Beck invited her to speak at his Restoring Honor event in 2010. I don't believe that Beck pressured her or was even responsible for her decision to leave the Democrat party. She said that her uncle and his father before him were Republicans.

There are a lot of articles saying there is no evidence that he had any party affiliation because he never talked about politics. But there are some facts. MLK Sr was a registered Republican. That is verifiable and not just Alveda King's comments. MLK Sr public endorsed Nixon for president. Frances Rice of the National Black Republican Caucus said that MLK Jr was battling "Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs.”

The entire reason why blacks had joined the Republican party is because of it's abolitionist position because the Dems gave us the Jim Crow laws and were very pro-segregation and very racist. Woodrow Wilson used the KKK as his security force. All of this cemented the blacks into the Republican party until LBJ.

Orwell was a socialist who wrote 1984 in opposition to communism. Impugning his character does not excuse the influence that book has had on the world.

"Some nonsense about Cubans and Venezuelans running from Democrats."

They are. I guess you haven't paid any attention to this happening. They ran from the "yadda yadda yadda" Marxism in their home country only to find that same "yadda yadda yadda" Marxism in this country in the Democrat party. However, Democrats aren't communists or socialist, they're fascists, liberal fascists. When it comes to refugee status, neither Democrat or Republican are opposed to helping those people.

But what's the point of you lying?
We had this discussion already, right? You knew I was about to bring up the Emancipation Proc as well as the Border States, didn't you? Yet you get that out of the way by saying you read stuff even though....

Oh my gosh, now he's citing teary eyed Glenn "We started this movement, now we're taking it back" Beck... Good frigging grief, like I'd take the word of that neo-nazi putz over MLK's own family....

....skips the rest.

Forgot to mention before, Cuba was never Communist, it's an autocracy, and just because Chavez got himself elected dicatator for life doesn't mean he was Communist because Castro. That's silly. You've been told the defintion of that as well.

I grow bored with this faux attempt at revisioning a lot?

PS: LBJ actually DID say that.

"But what's the point of you lying?"

Why does everyone who is yadda, yadda yadda Marxist or whatever, including you, on ImgFlip always lead by calling me a liar? That's stating to get annoying. I do my best to research and study the actual facts and when I present them here you and Octavia and a few others call me a liar. Well... Whatever. I guess you just have to be you and calling people liars is just your schtick.

"We had this discussion already, right? You knew I was about to bring up the Emancipation Proc as well as the Border States, didn't you? Yet you get that out of the way by saying you read stuff even though...."

If we have had this discussion I don't remember it. It read a lot of stuff in the past about what Lincoln said and it was not all favorable towards blacks. However, Frederick Douglass was one of his best friends. Douglass was the only one who did not need any kind of a security authorization or even an appointment with Lincoln to visit him in the White House. And I am NOT lying. Go look it up.

I was talking about Alevda King, not Glenn Beck. Beck and King became close back then. That's why she was invited to speak at his rally. But you had go spout nonsense and make about Beck and not King.

So Cuba was never communist??? Okay whatever dude. You live in that plastic bubble of yours. Yeah, I know the game. No one was ever a communist or a socialist but my goodness, if someone steps out of line with the left, they are 100% Nazi or fascist. Not 1% or 50%, it is 100%. Just like what you called Beck. But non of the communist dictator were ever communist, not even 1%.

You're all so ridiculous!!! STOP LYING!!!!

LBJ probably did say that and he believed it because he was just another in a very long series of Democrat racists. He was one of the worst presidents we've ever had.

Why do liberals always talk about conservatives not acting in their own best interest when it comes to liberal social(ist) programs. When the government steals from me and then gives a portion of what they stole back to me, that is not in my best interest.

My best interest is freedom. Why doesn't the left care about that?? You guys don't even know what freedom is. If you did, you would never ask why conservatives vote against their best interest.

How do you know what my best interest is?
How can you say what my best interest is?
What are you trying to say, I'm crazy?
When I went to your schools, I went to your churches
I went to your institutional learning facilities
So how can you say I'm crazy?"

They say they're gonna fix my brain
Alleviate my suffering and my pain
But by the time they fix my head
Mentally I'll be dead

I'm not crazy (institutionalized)
You're the one who's crazy (institutionalized)
You're driving me crazy (institutionalized)
They stick me in an institution
Said it was the only solution
To give me needed professional help
To protect me from the enemy, myself

It doesn't matter
I'll probably get hit by a car anyway

...you expect us to listen to you when you literally made a depressing suicidal poem?

Bruh.

My apologies. I should have elaborated:
"Here's a hint to the truth: these people favored conservatism, limited government, and states rights in the mid 19th century. In the early 21st century, these people also holds those very same values. Strangely enough, they exist in the same geographical location."

So, with that said,

When did I say that State's rights = Slavery?

"Power corrupts." Okay, sure. So how does putting power in the state level fix that?
----I'm pretty sure I could go down any Republican-Majority city and ask them if they think any Democrat Governors/Mayors are corrupt. Undoubtedly, I'm sure I would be given list a mile long. I'd ask about their leaders.... I'd find more conversation with a cricket.

It's almost as if it's not really about power... Or it actually is.

Pleading to state's rights in the 19th century was not about the principle of state's rights, but maintaining a large source of economy for the south which was the slave trade. There were other reasons not so innocent, such as those who thought slaves didn't deserve freedom on the premise of skin color. In short, state's rights were being used as a call to arms over fighting progressive social policy... They didn't wanna be part of the woke abolitionist crowd.

.... Whoa, that sounded way too close to today.

Next time try not to put so many words in my mouth.

I've been saying this how many years now? And to date, I'm the only one who has looked this simple basic and rather exceedingly obvious and logical fact up.

For the nth time, when making a point as per the lying propaganda spewing partisan hack parameters, you're in effect VERIFYING the lie.

It's a lie, plain and simple. No need to make excuses, say some bs about a bs party switch that never ever happened, ignore facts, claim change, confess to bogus sins and do your 10 Heil Blurries, repent, go on the meme warpath, chain yourself with plastic chains and kneel for forgiveness at a BLM march, donate to Al Sharpton's latest con, weep at that so-called statue of MLK that looks like they were CGIing him into a Kung Fu movie, and whatever other silly thing people do.
Just. look. up. THE. fact. and. tell. the. dang. truth.

Good grief. Google is a thing, no excuses.