Christian Nationalism

florida, texas, tennessee and missouri are a christian's iran, iraq, or saudi arabia

"Nazi is an acronym for National Socialist German Workers Party (only in German)"

socialism doesn't revolve around jews. unless you count the fact that bernie sanders is jewish

"Socialism is the problem but unfortunately Democrats love socialism"

i wish democrats loved socialism. nancy pelosi and many similar to her do insider trading. don't know any socialists that do that.

"You do understand that the Quran commands Muslims to kill the unbeliever several times and the Bible does not"

Yes, the Bible does say that

"Yes, I know that God did tell the Jews to kill the Canaanites and the Philistines but the Jews did not kill all of them and for that they were plagued by those groups"

So you admit they were commanded to commit genocide, and you think they were wrong for not exterminating everyone.

"God never issued a command to kill all of the unbelievers"

Just many of them

"There is nothing even close to Sharia law in Christianity"

Yes, it's called Mosaic law

"This is the freest nation that ever existed and that was directly because of Christianity"

No its not

"Christianity is a drop in the ocean compared to the violence spread by Islam"

Muslims didn't invade Australia, North or South America, or most of Africa. That was Christians.

"I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Some of the so-called fundamentalist Christians hate us. I have been verbally attacked by a lot of them"

And yet you think they're on your side

"I have seen the worst that Christians do to people"

No you haven't

"I watch the news and see the worst that Islam does. It is not even close"

It is close

synthetic-Mantis alt account again. still banned...

"I never saw anything even close to what you just described"

it's as much as a mile the moment anything becomes restricted from a certain demographic, being abortion or hormone therapy. i already talked about tennessee and their use of police to hunt down trans teens in another reply. they do that to a greater extent in islamic countries. as much as i dislike blaire white nowadays, one thing she did that was good was discuss the treatment of lgbt people in the middle east. it makes israel, a warmongering country that eats our tax dollars, look progressive by comparison.

"You're Synthetic-Mantis???? How come your IQ dropped to the single digits under this name?"

i'm not gonna comment on that. my best guess is that you're genuinely surprised you insulted me :)
if it sounds like my arguments are less coherent, blame the mods.

"Why and who are "hunting down trans teens"?"

state police in many states. look up Tennessee Governor Bill Lee and Texas Governor Greg Abbott and how they're taking transgender teens to foster homes against their will.

"But if anyone is hunting trans teens down in the US they would be charged with kidnapping "

hate to break those rose-tinted glasses, but the police are above the law in their minds. especially when you have unopposed legislatures in red states like desantis' florida or lee's tennessee.

"i'm not gonna comment on that. my best guess is that you're genuinely surprised you insulted me"

Not really. Maybe you were having a bad day or something. I thought that argument that you made where I posted the Billy Madison meme was perhaps one of the lamest arguments anyone has made against me. That is why I was dumbfounded when you told me who you were. You have never once made such a lame argument in all of the times we have been talking.

However, I want to apologize for insulting you. I have come to respect your opinions. Like I said we may not always agree but I never thought you were lesser than me. You clearly know more about trains than I do.

So far the only thing I found was an article complaining about an foster care bill that excludes LGBT couples from being foster parents. All of the other articles I saw on that bill never mentioned anything about LGBT people being excluded. I didn't see anything about trans teens being hunted down and taken. If it has anything to do with the foster care system I am guessing that they are hunting down runaways and some of those runaways are trans teens and they are doing this to put them with foster parents if the don't have parents or parents that want them.

I'll keep looking. I haven't searched for anything about Gov Abbott yet but I suspect it is probably the same situation.

"It was Christians who built this nation. Everything about our founding documents comes straight out of Christianity. It was our devout Christian founder that gave us the freest nation that ever existed. They were not Christian nationalists then and no Christian is a Christian nationalist now."

There's no Christian nationalism, but here's why Christian nationalism is justified!

"Christian Nationalism is the latest leftist boogeyman. They don't exist"

Yes they do, even if you don't use that label

"Some groups are real but what the left says about them is fake"

Nope

"The reason is because the right can point to people and groups who are actually are trying to destroy America"

No they can't

"but the left doesn't so they invent boogeymen groups"

False

"Everything about our founding documents comes straight out of Christianity"

Then show me the Bible verse that says people have freedom of religion. You can't.

"It was our devout Christian founder that gave us the freest nation that ever existed"

With slavery?

"no Christian is a Christian nationalist now"

Yes, Christian nationalists exist

"Democrats love socialism. Their entire political platform is centered around socialist ideology"

False

The Left hate all that is good and just. Their thinking is so warped they think what is clearly good is evil and vice versa. They are the modern example of why someone like Hitler was able to convince a whole population to literally hate certain other people. Hitler blamed the Jews for Germany's and today the Left blames Christians.
However it must be noted that Hitler was the one who made Germany worse just as Leftists are messing up the USA in the present. They both use a 'boogie man' to try and hide the fact they are the ones who caused the damage.

"The Left hate all that is good and just"

I hate racism. So you think racism is good and just?

"Their thinking is so warped they think what is clearly good is evil and vice versa"

I think domestic violence is evil. So by your own logic, you must think it's good.

"Hitler blamed the Jews for Germany's and today the Left blames Christians"

And people like you blame liberals

So you think racism is good and just?

Not even close to what Britain killed in the name of... but then again, they had three centuries to do it

GEORGIVS V : D G : BRITT : OMN : REX : F D : IND IMP

GEORGIVS V DEI GRATIA BRITANNIARUM OMNIUM REX FIDEI DEFENSOR INDIAE IMPERATOR

Geroge V, By the Grace of God, King of all the British territories, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India

You're in denial!

"Christian Nationalism is the latest leftist boogeyman. They don't exist. When the left finishes trying scare people with one group they invent another one."

That's literally what the Right does. From feminism, to "cultural marxism", to political correctness, to "woke culture", to CRT, to trans people using the go***amn bathroom. Every other week there's another nebulous foe that the right wing media will claim is destroying America and you sheep continue to lap it up. Meanwhile there are actual politicians in the republican party who openly identify as christian nationalists.

Cultural Marxism, political correctness and "woke" culture actually exist. The difference between the right and the left is we react to the crap you force on and call it by the labels you gave that crap, except for cultural Marxism.

Cultural Marxism is based on comparing what Marx put into his idealogy to what is showing up in the culture. Things like "it's for the greater good" or "we're all in this together".
I remember when the phrase political correctness first came out. The left tried to blame the right of coming up with that phrase. But it just wouldn't stick because it was and is all about opposing everything the left tries to promote as correct and normal. The left really tries hard to pass themselves off as normal Americans. What America is all about but we all know that it is 180° off base. America was built on people who put freedom above all else and saw the government as the enemy of freedom. They wanted the government to be small and very limited. This was because they were revolting against the tyranny of King George. The left, over the last century, has made sure that we live under worse tyranny that we did under King George.

We didn't come up with the phrase "woke". That was the term that tyrannical leftists came up with. They destroy people's lives because of something they say or did years ago. They single handedly have ruined comedy in movies. If Mel Brooks tried to release Blazing Saddles today he would be "cancelled". Jerry Seinfeld and other mainstream comedians are no longer welcome on college campuses.

So all of that actually exists. But there is no such thing as a Christian nationalist. That is just the latest invention of the left. Just like calling all white people racist and saying we are born that way. Meanwhile ignoring racism in every non-white nation in the world. Or blindly calling all our founding fathers rich white racists. Even though many were poor and most opposed slavery. Even founders like Washington and Jefferson owned slaves but were opposed to slavery. They tried to free their slaves but that violated Virginia state law.

It should be no surprise to anyone that the left lives in a fantasy world that does not exist.

"The left really tries hard to pass themselves off as normal Americans"

We are. Saying we aren't is dehumanizing.

"The left, over the last century, has made sure that we live under worse tyranny that we did under King George"

By pushing for equality and justice?

"They destroy people's lives because of something they say or did years ago"

And your side destroys people's lives because of who they are today. So much better, right?

"But there is no such thing as a Christian nationalist"

Yes there is. You keep saying that as if you'll magically make it go away

"Meanwhile ignoring racism in every non-white nation in the world"

So your side is fixing racism in other countries? Let's hear a progress report.

"Even founders like Washington and Jefferson owned slaves but were opposed to slavery"

Not helping your argument

"It should be no surprise to anyone that the left lives in a fantasy world that does not exist"

Like a guy who pretended to find golden tablets, lied about it, and duped idiots into believing that lie? I won't say who it is, but I know a guy who believes that after he dies he'll go to some magical planet and have a bunch of wives and be in charge of the planet and have a bunch of magical spirit children. He's not a Mormon, so you can't accuse me of attacking your cult, he just believes random stupid shit.

You do know that it was NAZIS who started the whole calling everything Cultural Marxism b*llsh*t right?

the right turned the phrase "woke" into a mainstream thing when leftists stopped adopting its usage in 2019. now the "woke" is a boogeyman. the only politician i know of who runs off of woke as a concept is ron desantis, and he uses the term to make enemies out of his own congress.

"Has the left stopped cancelling people? Has the left backed off on trying to get drag queens and transgendered people into Kindergarten classrooms?"

Drag queens and transgender people? The people you guys are always trying to cancel?

Ron Desantis also is not pro-freedom since he wants to replace teachers with veterans/cops due to the shortage. idk about you, but to me, that sounds like a huge concern. Not only is this going to limit free expression in the classroom and encourage children of all demographics to hate themselves, or be good little patriots, these people Desantis is basically granting unlimited power too could also be pedophiles. Like I said, pedophiles are ever present in our society. A drag queen could be one. A policeman could be one.

At best, since Desantis wants to raise patriots, this makes him an American Xi Jingping. At worst, this makes him Jeffrey Epstein

Nothing you said had anything to do with freedom being taken away. Your entire premises is based on the notion that ONLY leftist speech is free speech. That is complete and utter nonsense. All speech is free speech. Drag Queen AND veterans/police speech are all free speech.

I don't live in Florida so I don't know anything about "teachers being replaced by veterans or cops". Considering the incoherence of your comment I suspect that the teachers are not being replaced by anyone. If any part of what you said has any truth it is probably veterans and cops are being hired by schools to help with a teacher shortage. But that is just a guess. The left has no concept of what is truth and nothing they say or have printed in the media is true. It is all propaganda. It cannot be trusted. You always have to verify the news by going to the source and find out for yourself what is true.

BUT (and this is a huge BUTT) the classroom is NOT the place for free speech. It is the place for education and only education. It is not a place for politics. It is for teaching kids how to read, write and do math. It is a place for history (and not leftist history revisionism that has permeated our educational system decades ago), If a student wants to be gay or trans or whatever then that is for them to get involved with OUTSIDE of the classroom. It has no place inside the classroom. Teaching that and other leftist psychobabble is what is making our kids stupid. They know less about the basic skills that everyone needs to function in society and more about fluff.

Students 100 years ago, even though we knew a lot less back then, were more education and smarter students then students today. Because they were taught how to think for themselves and not only what the left wants them to know.

Your next argument about pedophiles being introduced into classrooms because some cops might be pedophiles is also totally bereft of logic because you contradicted yourself by stating that also some drag queens can be pedophiles. Yes, if you take a cross section of the population then a certain percentage will be pedophiles. It doesn't matter what group they are from there will always be a certain percentage who will be pedophiles.

"The left has no concept of what is truth and nothing they say or have printed in the media is true"

I'm on the left and I say that 2 plus 2 is 4. So you're saying I'm wrong?

"If a student wants to be gay or trans or whatever then that is for them to get involved with OUTSIDE of the classroom"

People don't choose to be gay or trans. It's not like converting to a child-abusing cult in Utah (not saying which cult)

"Teaching that and other leftist psychobabble is what is making our kids stupid"

Yup, it has nothing to do with teaching kids that Earth is 6000 years old

"Because they were taught how to think for themselves and not only what the left wants them to know"

How about what the right wants them to know? Guess that's okay.

truth is, i wrote a longer diatribe, but the mods wouldn't let me post it. wish i could post it on my regular account. then the fact that i am mantis would not be nearly as surprising.

"I don't live in Florida so I don't know anything about "teachers being replaced by veterans or cops"."

well, good thing i'm here telling you about it.

"BUT (and this is a huge BUTT) the classroom is NOT the place for free speech. It is the place for education and only education. It is not a place for politics."

history and english courses have had me learn to debate. and what better topics to debate than political ones that people hold real views on?
also, the classroom is state-owned, meaning that it's a government institution and abides by the constitution, meaning free speech is a place for the classroom.

"Yes, if you take a cross section of the population then a certain percentage will be pedophiles."

that's my point... i don't see how it's contradicted. my point is that whether it be drag queens or police in the classroom, there's an imposter among us (reference semi-intended). as a result, ron desantis is doing a terrible job of lowering human trafficking in florida, let alone protecting our children from pedophiles.

The first headline I found about DeSantis said, "Florida Gov. DeSantis proposes bonuses for retired police officers to fill vacant teacher positions". It was from Fox News.

The second article talked about a teacher shortage. https://floridapolitics.com/archives/547584-ron-desantis-cops-2/

I could keep going but it is appears as I suspected. Teachers are not being replaced. There is just a teacher shortage in the country, not just Florida. You can blame the pandemic or blame low teacher pay or both or you can blame whatever. DeSantis has dropped requirements to teach for veterans and former police officers so that they can fill the void. I can only guess some leftwing news agency somewhere read that and tried to think up a way to make DeSantis look bad and said they were replacing teachers. I don't know because I couldn't find anything the validate your point.

"it's a government institution and abides by the constitution, meaning free speech is a place for the classroom."

They don't teach debate or speech class in elementary schools. Only high school has speech and debate classes. In fact teachers in elementary school spend some of their time trying to get students to shut up and listen.

You did say that bringing veterans, police and drag queens into schools increases the chance of bringing pedophiles into the classroom. I thought the point you were trying to make was that just the veterans and police would increase that but drag queens wouldn't. And then later you said drag queens would increase the chances. That didn't make sense to me.

The point is that hiring anyone increases the chance of hiring a pedophile. It makes no difference what they used to or currently are doing as a profession. The idea is to try to weed those people out in the job interview.

"The second article talked about a teacher shortage. https://floridapolitics.com/archives/547584-ron-desantis-cops-2/"

looked into the news site Florida Politics. extremely sus, couldn't be more biased.

"You can blame the pandemic or blame low teacher pay or both or you can blame whatever."

low teacher pay, certainly. however there are more factors that act as catalysts, including the badly-worded laws desantis has passed out, and the fact that the aforementioned twitter account Libs of Tik Tok has successfully gotten several teachers fired over nothing.

"DeSantis has dropped requirements to teach for veterans and former police officers so that they can fill the void"

...to teach propaganda. like i said, american version of xi jingping.

"In fact teachers in elementary school spend some of their time trying to get students to shut up and listen"

which is why i want to change the education system in general, but that's another story...

"The point is that hiring anyone increases the chance of hiring a pedophile. It makes no difference what they used to or currently are doing as a profession."

however, many will argue that only drag queens can be pedos without considering if the alternative won't change the status quo.

I'm not sure of the mods want us talking to each other. You got banned for a while and I just came off of a 3 day ban. They told me it was a 2 day ban and then they deleted another comment that I made to you and I couldn't post anything until now. So my guess is they don't want us talking to each other.

I said some pretty harsh words to your alternate account and hopefully you accepted my apology for that. If I knew it was you would have never been harsh but I didn't see it was you until I saw the last comment. Anyway I apologize again. Not because of what the mods did to me but because I genuinely respect what you have to say, even if I disagree with it.

"looked into the news site Florida Politics. extremely sus, couldn't be more biased."

Well I am not one who puts any trust in the news media. So it could be what you are saying or it could be that someone is trying to make a bigger deal out of than it is. The news media is driven by two things 1) a fanatical devotion to the Democrat Party, and 2) sensationalism to the point of just making stuff up so they can sell the news.

I have heard of the national teacher shortage. And it seems more like DeSantis is just trying to fill that shortage with retired police and military. That makes sense to me. Getting rid of teachers because of any reason (other than pedophilia or just being a horrible teacher) seems too counterproductive.

I am not arguing against what you are saying. You could very well be right, it just seems improbable. Conservatives are not the "homophobes" we are made out to be.

So you're afraid that police and military will teach them what? Is it that they won't get taught leftist propaganda like everywhere else, like I was taught way back in the 60's and 70's when I was in school in California.

So if you are concerned they won't try to indoctrinate kids to the left then I see that as a good thing. There is a much greater likelihood that they will keep politics out of the classroom altogether. Conservatives think different the left. We believe in education not indoctrination. We want kids prepared to be successful in life and not be idiots who wasted all their time learning about sexual behaviors of about 1 to 2% of the population. Kids graduating high school need jobs not leftists indoctrination.

"I'm not sure of the mods want us talking to each other"

it seems they don't want me talking at all. my comment reputation is at its worst, meaning i can't post frequently, nor can i post meme comments.
it's clear i'm not the person i used to be...

"I said some pretty harsh words to your alternate account and hopefully you accepted my apology for that. If I knew it was you would have never been harsh but I didn't see it was you until I saw the last comment. Anyway I apologize again. Not because of what the mods did to me but because I genuinely respect what you have to say, even if I disagree with it."

no worries. apology accepted :)

"The news media is driven by two things 1) a fanatical devotion to the Democrat Party, and 2) sensationalism to the point of just making stuff up so they can sell the news."

the news media is much more aligned with republicans. not so much the recent wave of trump-style republicans, but more or less liz cheney and george w. bush republicans. CNN considers trump too far to the right. simultaneously, they consider bernie sanders too far left. this is because, at the end of the day, they're owned by larger-than-life billionaires who need rightwing messaging to benefit their businesses.
fox news are taking the grander stand in favor of trump, since their work is to appeal to a base. cnn is being nudged in that direction ever since warner media and discovery merged. nbc is, on the other hand, maintaining consistency.

"I have heard of the national teacher shortage. And it seems more like DeSantis is just trying to fill that shortage with retired police and military. That makes sense to me."

this process opens the doors to much greater problems, particularly since these retired cops/veterans are not trained in the specific subjects that children are intended to learn. not only that, but their experience with children is very limited. the best these cops/veterans could probably do is stop a school shooter... which as we saw in uvalde, the police can't even do that properly.

"There is a much greater likelihood that they will keep politics out of the classroom altogether"

it's very easy to skew information by avoiding using language that could be considered "political." if it were me making policy, i would actively de-politicize lgbt terms altogether so that there is no argument to be made against them.

ImgFlip hates both of us. They're giving me time outs and deleting my comment at least once a week. If they do it again, I'm outta here. I've had enough of them making money off of me (by placing ads on their website) and then them thinking they can punish us for not marching in lockstep with them.

If I leave there goes a little bit of their income.

My jaw almost hit the floor when you said the mainstream media, specifically CNN, are more skewed to the right. Not even Fox News leans to the right with the exception of Hannity, Tucker Carlson and a few others. The vast majority of reporters and news anchors are Democrats. I've caught them in so many lies that would make the news appeal to the Democrat party. And these weren't little lies, this was reporting the exact opposite of what happened. Kyle Rittenhouse is one example of the news media out and out lying to you about what happened. The media "convicted" him of murder when it so clearly self defense.

"If I were you I would use that grey matter between your ears and think about what you are going to say before barfing it out"

good thing i did some research on Libs of Tik Tok, in which case.

"Parents have the ultimate authority over what their children are taught"

i agree there. however, parents do not have ultimate control over what teachers say. if a parent is uncomfortable with what a student is learning, then they should take said student out of class. it's way easier to do that then to force taxpayers into controlling a teacher's words because one parent might be offended.

"If a parent does not want their child confused by someone who is very visibly male wearing a dress and make up then that is their right as a parent."

i'd criticize said parent for being overbearing in which case. but again, they are free to take their child to another school. personally, if i had a kid, and i heard matt walsh or matt gaetz (ugh) were in my kid's school, i'd move to another country.

" i.e. math, English, spelling, writing, science and history."

it's the history part that's gonna get the bulk of this controversy, since every letter i type is another microsecond of florida's history with desantis as governor. lord knows he tried to prevent kids from learning about the civil war and emancipation until a federal judge had enough of his shit.