Lisa Simpson's Presentation

Not really, we have common sense and knew it was going to happen.

It's "liars Pew".
But, thank you

Afghan wealth? We don’t count opiates.

Yeah the CIA's heroin ratline out of Agfhanistan really tanked when the Taliban took over and smashed the remainder of their stay-behind Northern Alliance in the first week. Better luck next time.

You might want to read up on how pharma companies and one family in the US is fueling the opioid epidemic in the US. Hundreds of thousands dead. But hey, Taliobros gonn GETCHA. BOOGA BOOGA

So women marching for basic freedoms that we take for granted, and being beaten with rifle stocks is a win as far as your concerned?

I don't agree with that, yolo.

Cool. Move to Afghanistan and then let me know what you think. Teachers and students of female schools get flat out murdered over education. Protesters as well.

And it seems to me this protest (which could be grounds for murder alone) was one where apparently they were chanting stuff such as "Justice, Justice, We're fed up with ignorance"
...could make them appear educated. Them not wearing the full face covering burqa would be viewed as one more layer to it.

To be clear when I say "this is a win" I am not saying that I approve of their treatment, or that I'm against protesting, or against women being educated. I'm saying it's surprising nobody got murdered in the street. Those women made it home to their families, will live another day, and will be able to tell other people the story of what they so courageously did. Because they didn't get their heads chopped off. That may not exactly be a "win" by American standards....but Afghanistan ain't exactly America. Here our women can protest and teach and be taught and more or less can wear whatever the f*ck they want.

Anyways... glad to see you at least appear to be coming from a place of sympathy though and not so much "commit the crime, do the time"......the way some people here seem to be regarding Brittney Griner.

"Move to Afghanistan and then let me know what you think."

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. Why would I want to move to a place where I complain about people having to march trying to get basic freedoms we take for granted?

YOU said it's a win. My comment clearly indicated that I felt it was not.

Why are you so confused?

"I'm saying it's surprising nobody got murdered in the street."

Again, if you consider that a win, then I will have to disagree, and I think most rational people would also disagree.

"Those women made it home to their families, will live another day, and will be able to tell other people the story of what they so courageously did."

Yes, they're alive for now, yolo. But for how long? You know as well as I do that every single woman that marched is now on the Taliban's radar, and could be killed at any time.

Of course I am coming at this from a place of sympathy for the protestors. Sympathy, concern, disgust for the Taliban. Anywhere people are not free and equal receives my scorn and hatred. I'm pretty consistent that way.

As for Griner, she did commit the crime, even though as far as I'm concerned, the fact that it's a crime there, and here as well (tho our punishment is perhaps not quite so severe) serves to illustrate how hypocritical our govt is when it comes to weed, when they say she's being held unjustly. Now we have to trade a murderous Russian gun runner to get her out. On a personal level I have all the sympathy in the world for her. Her second biggest crime was one of haste and stupidity. I'm sure we can all imagine making the same kind of stupid mistake. And that is just one reason I don't go to countries where the people aren't free. I'm pretty consistent that way, too.

And speaking of govts, I have nothing but disgust for the way Biden pulled us out of there. It's not bad enough that he left so much of our military equipment behind, but he left Americans behind, and to me that is treasonous.

I never said you would want to move there.. my comment was basically regarding perspective.

"YOU said it's a win. My comment clearly indicated that I felt it was not."
Not sure why you're explaining what I thought was obvious but ok cool. (?)

"Most people" (rational or otherwise) don't live in Afghanistan. There are other countries even more severe though for additional context. North Korea for example might give you 10 years hard labor for protesting. They might even stick your entire family in prison. "3 generation punishment" or whatever. I'd take a broken nose over that any day of the week. F*cked up nose for the win.

Yes.. they could be killed at any time. But they weren't. That's kind of my point. Live to see another day.

I think we're somewhat on the same page as far as feelings of disgust & sympathy.

My point with Griner was basically the "law and order" pov applied the way that some have (to her) in the context of this conversation would make you look like an absolute monster. They were Afghan women intentionally protesting without a burqa in Afghanistan... They had to know they could be shot. Idk if Griner bringing a couple (medical) vape pens to Russia was her intentionally breaking their law. But people here went pretty hard on her for that stupid mistake. I guess to be fair I don't know if there is even any written law right now in Afghanistan. I think it's basically whatever the Taliban says.

It does really suck for any American who apparently didn't read the writing on the wall and didn't exit when Trump was negotiating our exit/admitting we lost the war with the Taliban. I basically agree with you on traveling to countries like that... which is why I tend to think any American still there must have family there. Basically because:
A. I don't understand travelling there in the first place....unless you have family there.
and
B. I don't understand not leaving asap when they were clearly setting wheels in motion for our military to leave...... Unless you had family there who could not leave with you and you wanted to stay and protect them.

The equipment I don't really care about tbh. I have multiple reasons for that but this is kind of off topic.

"I never said you would want to move there.. "

I never said you said I would want to move there. I asked you why would I want to move there, after you said I should move there and let you know what I think. (and I quote: "Move to Afghanistan and then let me know what you think.") Good grief yolo, trying to have a rational exchange with you is becoming more and more difficult.

"Not sure why you're explaining what I thought was obvious but ok cool. (?)"

It's called an exchange, yolo. You say something, I reply with my thoughts about that. You reply with your thoughts about what I wrote. It's a give and take. As to the actual subject, I thought I expanded on what had been previously discussed by addressing your point about how these protestors lived to go home, etc., etc., by saying that I feared for how long they would actually be alive.

That paragraph you wrote doing the old compare/contrast between the Taliban and N. Korea is really making me wonder about your objectivity. When you try to convince me that on a scale of 1 to evil, the Taliban isn't quite as bad as N. Korea, and that the people who protested in Afghanistan will only end up with a broken nose, then you're just flat wrong. Those peoples' lives are in danger, every minute of every day, since they protested. The same goes for the lives of their family. The fact that you don't seem to recognize that, is disappointing.

"Yes.. they could be killed at any time. But they weren't."

Stop and think about what that sentence actually states, yolo. Just grammatically it's so far off base (a savage mixture of past, present, and future tenses) that it barely merits reply. And in the yolo world "at any time" does not include the future? Get real.

I haven't even read beyond that sentence because I see no point, even if we might agree. I wouldn't bother replying (not saying you would anyway) but if you're going to seriously try to use 'logic' like that last sentence, we have nothing to discuss that's in any way worthwhile.

"...I asked you why would I want to move there" And I replied: Perspective. Maybe you're actually more of a blue pill kind of guy though idk.

I'm sorry this is "becoming so difficult" for you. Lol

"It's called an exchange".... Yes yes replies back and forth.

N Korea is just additional perspective. The evil aspect is obvious.

They could have been killed at any time (during the protest) but they weren't. You are free to feel like the Taliban will kill them a week from now, a month from now, or whenever due to the protest but I'm going to stick with the facts. Feel free to say I told you so if they do eventually get killed due to that protest.

If you don't see any point in further discussing this or anything else you're free to stop.