It has never been about pro-life. It has always been about control

Having a miscarriage is already a crime if the woman abused her body (like with drugs). After this I have a feeling it'll get harder and harder for a woman to prove that the miscarriage wasn't her fault.

And I'm willing to bet that if someone has a miscarriage through no fault of their own, these sick Christian f**ks will try to find a way to say that she had an abortion so they can put her to death. By their logic they should do that anyway. Kill anyone who has a miscarriage.

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/07/north-carolina-bill-will-sanctifie

No, I grew up pro-life and it's not about control. The more you talk like that, the more you lose elections. They literally believe that embryos are people with a right to life, and want to protect them at all costs. You need to address THAT nonsensical belief, not this strawman argument myth of "old white men trying to control women's bodies".

Try stepping out of that bubble you live in. It is only about control. If you were truly prolife you would do everything in your power to make sure we took care of it. But go ahead and vote republican. You know the party that voted against food, education, healthcare for children. How typically hypocritical of your side.
Plus women have no say over their own bodies once pregnant? You now are responsible for feeding them, housing them, taking care of their health. But no, you will vote republican because it is only about control.

I'm not pro-life, I was RAISED pro-life, and then changed my mind and became pro-choice. I'm tired of pro-lifers continuing to win elections and increase in power over time because of comments like this.

Pro-lifers are not "misogynists", and they are not "old white men trying to control women's bodies", and the more you repeat these strawman talking points, the more we will lose and the more power they will win. Pro-lifers are young women just as much as they are old men, and they have never been motivated by "control"; they are motivated by a belief that abortion is murder. They literally believe that human embryos are people with rights. Until we address THAT belief, we will continue losing.

Embryos are not people, they are human tissue. They do not have the capacity for consciousness or suffering. Personhood cannot logically begin at conception, because identical twins and chimeras form AFTER conception. Conjoined twins with two heads are two people, despite being formed from the same conception and never separating into two bodies. Parasitic twins are not people because they never developed a head. Personhood requires, at the very least, a capacity for consciousness, which 99% of abortions never had.

These are the arguments you need to be making if you want to protect abortion access. Change their minds and make them pro-choice also. The more you pat each other on the back for opposing "misogyny", and silence fellow leftists for pointing out your ineffectual arguments, the more right-wingers win, and the more society loses. We've been losing one thing after another since Obama left office, and I'm sick of it.

I agree with much of this comment, especially the necessity of repeatedly making the strong and correct argument that a fetus is not a person, except for the idea that only you have the answer and that it is a “messaging problem.”

One myth you’ve repeated:

—Democrats don’t “lose elections.” Sometimes? Yes, of course. But not really. Democrats have won the popular vote of every Presidential election since 1996, with only one exception, in 2004. There’s a myth that Democratic messaging, policies, candidates, whatever, are inadequate in some way. That’s underselling ourselves. We are doing what we need to win votes. What we have is a system that gives a huge amount of unearned representation to Republicans.

Reforming the system, in a wholesale sense, is politically impossible, for precisely that reason. Republicans will never buy into it.

But piecemeal reforms or, at the very least, playing hardball with Republicans on issues like gerrymandering are things that the Democratic Party could be doing more of. Acting like we run the country when the voters have in fact said, “yes, please run the country.”

Biden rolled over and played dead, basically, when the Dobbs decision was announced. There was no plan, despite the fact this decision had been leaked in advance. That’s inexcusable. Blue states are picking up the slack to an extent, but what I really would have liked to hear is a full-throated statement from Biden of the illegitimacy of the Court as presently constituted. That the Biden Administration will continue to recognize the right-to-choose nationwide, and that states that undermine the right-to-choose will be met with retaliation from the federal government including loss of funding streams and loss of federal projects.

An even more extreme idea would be arresting the five Dobbs justices for treason — i.e. for failing to follow their oath to uphold the Constitution — and inviting them to think over their decision and issue a new opinion with particular attention paid to the recently-passed Equal Rights Amendment, which wasn’t discussed in the Dobbs opinion at all. (The status of this Amendment is in doubt, but there’s an argument that it has passed. Obviously SCOTUS won’t take it up. Neither will Congress. So why not the President?)

That’s what a muscular response to this radical-right anti-democratic movement would look like.

Yes, Republicans win by cheating. They're still winning, though.