Raped in a red state? Spin to Win

Less than 1% of 1% of abortions. Red herring fallacy.

A red herring is a deflection to an unrelated issue. If you asked me about abortion and I started talking about Trump’s tax returns, that would be a red herring.

Republican anti-abortion dogma may be fairly criticized invoking a specific, recent example of someone whom it impacted — as I did.

Don’t wanna keep hearing about raped 10-year-olds? Get your legislature to write the exception into law. Simple.

The red herring is the fact that your subject only accounts to 1% of 1% of abortions and had no bearing on the discussion at hand.

You’re minimizing. The percentage of abortions resulting from rape is not that small. It’s more like 1% (estimated) — but that doesn’t account for other categories including incest, underage, and medical emergencies.

Any individual case of abortion will always seem like “a tiny percentage,” but in totality, individual cases comprise the whole. You can’t wave away politically inconvenient cases so easily. They are illustrative of a policy failure.

It’s not a red herring.

This girl was an Ohio resident impacted by her state’s ban. Now her doctor in Indiana is being harassed and given death threats even though the procedure was legal there. All because she helped a 10-year-old with the personal decision to not give birth to a rapist’s child.

It took no time at all for something like this to happen. It’s the expected result of abortion bans that give no exception for rape, and more cases like this are coming — thousands more.

This is the bed “pro-lifers” have made. Cope.

Lets not forget that a good portion of sexual assault cases are not reported. That is, in comparison, there is easily double the amount of unreported assaults than what is reported.

It's actually not less than 1% of 1%

Sources?

not really a red herring more like Reductio ad absurdum

It's fine to kill 9999 children in utero because 1 in 10,000 might be the product of rape.

put another way you don't make law for the exceptions you make exceptions for the law, of course if you ask a baby killing lib that makes this silly argument if they would support ending abortion except in cases of rape, they will not know how to respond except to insult you.

Hitler loved to tell his people that Jews were baby killers too.

But since we're using silly arguments.

Right wing loves to force babies to carry pregnancies to term.

How did Hitler become a part of this argument? I mean, since you want to go off topic, Stalin forced tens of millions of abortions in a short period of time during his reign of hell in the USSR.
And Hitler made up crap about the Jews. Half of his accusations weren't even true. And speaking of false accusations against people you hate, just look at the left.

I'm sorry you're unfamiliar with history, the many, many, connections that have been drawn between the Alt-Right, the radical right, the MAGA movement, and the Nazis. (Now Neo-Nazis, which MAGA protesters defended in Charlottesville.) Blood Libel is a thing that the person I replied to? Was one of Hitler's biggest plays. Today, the right-wing pro-life group is echoing those same things in anti-abortion demonstrations across the US.

Your tu quo que is not lost on me as there are radicals on both sides. For that, I look at the causes of both radicaliazations. I find that the Left wants to pull our country closer to the center on the world stage. In so doing, ensuring that LGBTQ are given and kept with equal rights and representation in education as heteros are, taught in the same manner as heteros are. I know they champion the cause of equal rights for women and equal pay. I know they champion the cause of police education and reform. What I know of the right is that they want to pull us further right than this country already is, and also oppose everything mentioned above and/or deny that the problem exists.

Hitler did make up crap about the Jews, and so the right makes up crap about the left. Funny, Trump is a populist who is potentially looking to spend time in the slammer for his part on 1/6. (Or lack thereof see: negligence) Guess who else was a populist and also spent time in prison before leading the country to hyper fascism? If you say Hitler, you'd be right.

By the left? Because I didn't get a degree on left-wing revised history (or just a degree from the university of Paris or Columbia). First off, the entire right isn't Nazi like you left wingers act like it is. Second, you can't blame Trump for who some of his supporters support. I bet you think he's racist and homophobic, but ik both gays and blacks who support him (I'm mostly black myself btw). So that logic doesn't work.

where did you talk about blood libel? Also, how is outright racism in any way equal to fighting for a baby's right to live? Also you people like to equate everything to Hitler bc he's the ultimate evil and everything he thinks is evil and if you can equate the right to him in any way, the right is evil. Well, how about AOC saying we should round up Trump supporters? Hitler would've loved that idea. And Hitler wasn't even the evilest person of his own time. Stalin was. And Mao out-killed both Stalin and Hitler. Stalin was everything Hitler was, but far sneakier and more manipulative. Hitler manipulated his people until he got in office and then just overthrew the whole country and turned it into a dictatorship and announced he wanted to overthrow the whole darn globe. Stalin was quiet about what he did (even though it was very savage), choosing instead of announcing that he wanted to overthrow the world, he would just manipulate countries by infiltrating them with his own people. He helped with north Korea being overthrown, he helped with China, and he even had spies and a secret police force operating in the USA back in the late 20s. Hitler made a lot of noise when he destroyed things, but Stalin kept it quiet and people are still being manipulated by what he did to this day, and they cite the alt right as reasons to support them, even though Hitler and Stalin were on the same page for a few years during WWII.

"you left wingers act like it is." How the left acts? Or how you perceive them to see the right?

"racist and homophobic, but ik both gays and blacks who support him" He totally is. Treading the fine line of explicit and implicit. Just because he's supported by those who fall into those categories, doesn't mean he isn't.

A human is not a baby until it is born. If you want to talk about stages of development. Use the correct terms please.

AOC's comment needs context. Quite ambiguous how you stated it. If anything, sounds like to me she wants to put you through the Nuremberg trials. The reason why Hitler is cited is because Trump is echoing Hitler's entire playbook.

do you know how many left wingers on this site alone call me Nazi simply because I’m not Democrat, and outright say that it’s down to being Democrat or Nazi these days? Often time the difference between left wingers and right wingers is that right wingers know more left wingers than left wingers know right wingers. So many conversion stories i’ve seen or know about irl are people who had never met a right winger or seen one on TV (bc they heard right wingers were all evil and steered clear of them). Like a LOT of #walkaway videos. Guy who started it is gay and never knew a right winger. He learned something that the left didn’t agree with and none of his friends wanted to hear it.

You clearly didn’t read the previous sentence. I said that I know you won’t make that logical connection (and it’s not very logical), so the other argument you made (you said Trump supporters defended Neo-Nazis) doesn’t work either.

“Fetus” and “embryo” are terms that people use so they don’t have to think about what they’re doing. And as this meme states, they’re both defined to be human (though many dictionaries have changed their definitions over time despite the scientific connotation, bc the dictionaries are going political instead of scientific).

She said it was time to collect the names and information of Trump supporters. And Nazis actually did something to justify a crisis where you have to make sure none of them will sneak and start another Nazi riot. Trump supporters have done no such thing. Most trump supporters weren’t even at the Jan 6 riot and most of them don’t even condone that riot (i don’t). Nuremberg trials should’ve been done on people on Stalin’s payroll after WWII, because he helped start it, and his followers were far more dangerous. So dangerous that people can follow his ideas and not even know it. They can not even know they’re following evil ideas. At least Neo-Nazis know what they’re supporting. (which makes them more evil, but also far less plentiful). Stalin followers can actually think they’re helping people.

"do you know how many left wingers on this site alone call me Nazi simply because I’m not Democrat, and outright say that it’s down to being Democrat or Nazi these days?"
It wouldn't surprise me. That door swings both ways and is well-oiled, I'm sure.

Do you even know the point of a classification system? There's nothing political about it.

Interesting how you forget that Trump said muslims should be put into a database. Wasn't there a muslim travel ban from certain countries?

So, you said "I perceive" like it wasn't true, and now you're saying this...

That's what I'm saying SHOULD be the case, but science is being rewritten to accommodate modern left-wing political agendas. Pregnancies aren't lives, trans women are women and not men, etc. Nobody gives a rip about science anymore, we just want to appease out delusions. But when you talk about God, the answer is "I don't believe in God, I believe in science." Yeah right. Like I always say, the left doesn't care about science or freedom unless the topic is anti-religion.

That I don't agree with, but I also am aware why someone would say that. Obama didn't handle Muslim terrorist threats well, and there were rumors of secret isis clubs operating in the US. Trump wasn't going to have that. But, it's also interesting how you assume before you've asked that I agree with everything Trump says and does. Makes me wonder if that's how you are with Democrats. And I've had at least ten people on this very site actually tell me that Democrats can do no wrong and anything bad you hear about them is Republican lies.

Excuse me, did you just really say that "because" Hitler made up crap about the Jews, the right makes up crap about the left? Is the right Hitler? Is the left Jews? Bc last I checked the left doesn't give a rip about Jews either. didn't y'all just last year call Jews oppressive white colonizers when they were defending themselves against Palestine?

Hitler didn't have an opposing force trying to put him down so nobody like him could ever be in office again before he did what he did... If you're even dull enough to want to compare Trump to Hitler there's a lot you're ignoring:

1) Trump didn't take control of everything as soon as he assumed office. Hitler did.

2) Manipulative bully Marxists weren't Hitler's opponents. Trump's are.

3) Hitler caused everything he did, and we know that for a fact. You guys assume crap about Trump without proof but need proof for election fraud [which you then promptly throw out the window bc you hate trump so much you really don't care if the election was rigged or not]. And Cassidy Hutchinson is an Amber Heard type speaker. She's a horrible actress and anyone without "perfect Dems" glasses can see right through her BS.

4) Hitler made his racism known before he was elected. Trump did things for minorities AFTER being elected. He, unlike Dem politicians, actually delivered on his promise. Ig that's where you can say he's similar to Hitler, only Hitler's promise was evil.

5) [this really isn't about Hitler, but] if you hate the 1/6 incident how do you feel about the Bolshevik Revolution? Bc ik ppl that defend the BR and attack Trump, even though the BR actually succeeded in doing what the media claims 1/6 was trying to do.

6) Hitler was anti-religious. Trump hasn't shown to be that. Matter of fact, he mentions God in hi speeches. I wouldn't call him a very good believer in religion but at least he isn't hostile, like Hitler, and most of the whole left.

7) Hitler hated the Jews and made it public he wanted to kill them. Meanwhile Trump, on the other hand, relocated the Jewish embassy to Jerusalem on the 70th anniversary of their reinstatement as a nation, to help them with their fight with Palestine over Jerusalem. No US president (right or left) has EVER stood FOR Jews that strongly. And Trump bashed Obama's Iran nuclear deal which put Jews in jeapordy (which Biden hastily resumed). Actually after Obama was inaugurated a second time, Iran started bombing Israel on queue. They didn't dare with Trump in office.

1) Because the left put a stop to it (thank God).
2) I love the "marxist" buzzword. Have you even read Das Kapital?
3) So what BS are you talking about? The BS in which nearly all parties who she referenced have corroborated her testimonies? So, Dems "Perfect Glasses" Or the hole you put your head into? Is it an earthy smell? Or more like fertilizer?
4) Trump made his racism known before elected. You just gave him a pass because (R).
5) I'm focused on what is happening here. You know that whole "We need to fix our country before worrying about others" thing the Right likes to shout.
6) 🤦🏻‍♂️
7) 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
That must be some strong Koolaid.

1) you clearly didn't comprehend what I said, so let me rephrase it: Trump didn't take control of everything in 2017 when he would be in office for four more years.
2) no, but I've read some of the Communist Manifesto and know that Marxism has been influencing American education since b4 the '30s bc of ppl like John Dewey.
3) no, her testimony isn't very convincing. If this same level of testimony was used against Johnny Depp, nobody would buy it. But bc ppl hate Trump so much, any accusation against him must be true no matter what. Her testimony isn't even eyewitness testimony, which disqualifies her as a witness, which should be heresay. Only in CNN (and other left wing news)'s world is that legit testimony.
4) no, that's what the left said about him. He never openly declared he was racist. Hitler did.
5) actually the right likes to "shout" that you need to fix your own life before trying to fix the country, and the country needs to fix itself before worrying about others. Speaking of that, the one who's been trying to spread the green movement in America is Putin himself. But back to the topic, that's actually not relevant. Whether or not you're focused on the US doesn't determine whether you believe the BR was wrong or not. It's a historical example of something. And if you really are oblivious to anything besides US history (excuse me, "left-wing revised US 'history'"), that would explain why you can't see what's happening to the US and the historical instances of it. And for someone who focuses on us, you seem to know plenty about Hitler. Which proves the left wing thing bc the only radical evil the left teaches about from the 20th century is Hitler.

Wow, denying stuff with facepalms. Makes you sound real smart, doesn't it? Yeah, no it doesn't. At least explain why you believe what you do. #6 had a few opinions in it, but #7 wasn't even opinion based. That all happened, whether you like it or not. I actually remember things, you know? Plus I actually knew someone who lived in Israel back when Iran started bombing them right after Obama's inauguration. They've said people have come into banks in Israel and just blown themselves up to kill everyone bc it'll give them "spiritual credit" (whatever the heck that is). And like I've said before, since when has the left given a rip about Jews? It's only when you talk about Hitler and the Holocaust. Other than that, the left goes "screw 'em."

1) So equally, Biden didn't take control of everything, contrary to popular Republican Belief.
2) Then, perhaps you should read at least SOME of Karl Marx's Das Kapital before spewing your nonsense at it which is likely cherry-picked from a pamphlet which is meant to describe a much larger text. In this, Karl Marx emulates capitalism working perfectly as intended, he creates a Utopian Capitalist Society and shows exactly where it (still) fails. The benefit of the doubt is given in copious amounts and capitalism still falls. I think you might find it interesting.
3) "Her testimony isn't even eyewitness testimony, which disqualifies her as a witness, which should be heresay." *eyeroll* She does have first hand testimony. The testimony she gives in which she reports second-hand information 👏🏻has👏🏻been👏🏻corroborated👏🏻by👏🏻other👏🏻witnesses. At this point, it is no longer hearsay. The level of in-group bias you're displaying is just astonishing as many of these witnesses are Republicans/Trump supporters. But simply because they're speaking out, they *must* be lying. Good god, man.
4) "He never openly declared he was racist." You need someone to declare that they're racist in order to be racist? This might explain the level of racism in the Republican party.
5) "And for someone who focuses on us, you seem to know plenty about Hitler. Which proves the left wing thing bc the only radical evil the left teaches about from the 20th century is Hitler." No, my wife took a double major of History and Psychology, her specialty in History was Holocaust history. Graduated with a Masters and alumni status. Don't you find it odd that the Neo-Nazis find kinship with the Republican party? Hmmmmmmm. Coincidence? I think not.

How exactly was that a tu quoque?

You are aware that the left never gives a rip about freedom unless the topic is anti-religious (specifically anti-Christian), right? Even some atheists have seen this. And who decides what the "center" is? Because it we're going to be dragged into communism in the name of "centrism" then we shouldn't want anything to do with it. Back in the 40s communists said that "we can't take America yet bc communism has a bad rap in the American mind, but give us some decades, and we'll take America in the name of liberal progressivism" which is what is going on today. Liberal progressivism is everywhere. And it's not shocking that they hate religion, especially Christianity. Christianity won't put up or comply with the human worship communism demands.

The left doesn't want to "ensure LGBT ppl have same education rights as heteros do", they want to create LGBT people straight from the classroom. You have teachers saying being hetero is old fashioned and boring and that being gay is far more creative, and guess what kids are? Creative. LGBT ppl do have the same education rights right now. But schools are doing so much BS behind parents' backs that hetero parents are now wanting to pull kids from the school system. School teachers now are encouraging kids to get operations or dress differently in school than when they see their parents, so they can live a secret life without their parents knowledge. They'll "deadname" the kids when around the parents if they have a parent teacher conference. Recently in Florida there was a case where one of the teachers accidentally slipped and called a parent's daughter by the name she went by in a conference and the parent was like "who's that" and found out about everything that had been going on. You remember that time when it was foolish to hang out with a gang of bad influences that wanted to be your friend? Because now the entire school system is like that gang of bad influences.

Equal pay? You should watch what Thomas Sowell said on that 40 years ago. He absolutely destroyed that whole argument by using completely fair statistics. And the right wants America back, and doesn't want to lose it to Marxism. Plus the left is pulling the country further left than ever.

Ensuring that that there is no established religion that influences our government is not the same thing as anti-Christian, much as they would like you to believe. If you have a battering ram and you would consider the left to be dumping fire oil on the battering ram from breaking down a gate, yeah, we're anti-battering ram. If you stay in your corner and try not to break the separation of church and state, the left doesn't really give a rip.

Center is what is defined when considering the political stance of all countries on the worldstage. Communism is the right wing boogeyman that defines it as an authoritarian regime that (when cited by the right) refers to an example that has a primary leader (China, Russia, etc.) The left is smart enough to understand that an extreme of any economic/governmental system fails. Including capitalism.

Progressivism has always been popular and has always been the agent of change for any government or economic model because the poor/disenfranchised have always outnumbered those who have, and as a species we have repeatedly sought out to ensure that everyone receives.

By the way, Jesus was closer to socialist. Mofo shared all of his fish, wine and bread for free.

That doesn’t acknowledge anything I said. I said “the left never gives about freedom unless it’s anti-religious” and you turned it into “freeing government from Christianity or any other religion”. And when people say that killing babies in the womb is unifying church and state, the right isn’t going to agree with that, especially since not all pro-lifers believe in a God.

But couldn’t you say that about Nazism being the left wing bogeyman that defines it as an authoritarian regime that (when cited by the left) refers to an example that had a primary leader (like Hitler)? Also, for a party who doesn’t want an extreme of any economic/governmental system, you sure seem to be pulling things as far left as possible. Capitalism has its flaws, but why does the economy get trashed every time a Democrat is in office? Before they claimed it was because of “inheriting economies” where Bush got Clinton’s “great” economy and Obama got Bush’s “horrible economy” and Trump got Obama’s “terrific” economy. But they can’t run with that BS anymore bc Trump was only in office four years and Biden has already effed the economy up in two (really it was a few months).

Progressive activism blew up with the internet, it was considered deranged until 5 seconds ago. If you had “age sliders” and adults identifying as babies, people would be like “What the heck is wrong with you”? Now with all this acceptance stuff online people can feed whatever delusion they want. And idc what you think of yourself, just don’t force me to do anything because of it. A 35 year old can’t stay in her parents’ house all her life bc she identifies as a baby. And if someone identifies as a fetus (i have heard of this before) should it be legal to shoot the “unwanted embryo”?
And the left’s solution to poverty isn’t a solution. All they do is create more poverty because if everyone is poor then no one is. And the government gets all the money. It’s called deceit, something they’re very talented at.

Do you know what chapter of the Bible was that in? And if you find it, check out the very next chapter. Because you’ll find that that is far from the truth. Those same people started trying to follow Jesus around for free food after that, and He saw right through it and said “You seek me not because you saw signs but because you ate of loaves and were filled. Do not work for food which perishes but for the everlasting food” (He’s talking about following God). The people thought of Him as a socialist regime where they could get free food. But He didn’t do that. Second, that wasn’t His food, it was a young boy’s. The boy offered it and Jesus did a miracle and multiplied the food. It’s difficult to attach politics to supernatural events because the government can’t just create and share food at a whim like Jesus did (and i’d hope they can’t because Lord help us if they could). But Jesus did that to catch their attention. His miracles were to prove a case about who He was. There was no political agendas involved.

So you're saying half of Hitler's accusations against the Jews were true? Which half?

Actually I just threw that together without checking it, which I rarely do. Idk all his accusations but many of the ones ik weren't very accurate.

That's what I'm saying SHOULD be the case, but science is being rewritten to accommodate modern left-wing political agendas.

Pregnancies aren't lives
>> No one said that an embryo/fetus is not living. We did say that it remains the woman's choice, regardless.
trans women are women and not men, etc.
>> Psychology is not political.

Nobody gives a rip about science anymore, we just want to appease out delusions.
>> That's funny coming from a religious person.

But when you talk about God, the answer is "I don't believe in God, I believe in science." Yeah right. Like I always say, the left doesn't care about science or freedom unless the topic is anti-religion.
>> I could care less about Christians. I value progressive religions who mind their own f**king business. Some Christians are like that. Others? They want to impose their will (Which is God's Will? The same God who they can't know how his mind works, yet they claim to know his will.) And seek to establish that religion as the national religion. Islam, Hindu, Judaism, Paganism, Spaghetti Monster Cult, Satanism. THey're all free to do as they please. Just keep it out of politics kthxbai.

That I don't agree with, but I also am aware why someone would say that. Obama didn't handle Muslim terrorist threats well,
>> Red-herring.
and there were rumors of secret isis clubs operating in the US. Trump wasn't going to have that.
>> So he operated on rumors.
But, it's also interesting how you assume before you've asked that I agree with everything Trump says and does.
>> Yeah. Because I'm tired of trying to find the needle in the haystack.

Makes me wonder if that's how you are with Democrats. And I've had at least ten people on this very site actually tell me that Democrats can do no wrong and anything bad you hear about them is Republican lies.
>> That's an over-generalization, but there is a lot of truth to that.

"baby killing lib"

"they will not know how to respond except to insult you"

Ironic

Dark blue is a fallacy. Every Christian will tell you rape is a sin which came with the fall. God can use sins for a greater good, but that wording is condescending and assumes things about God that we have no business trying to get into. Plus the Bible says God never tempts anyone.
Green is also a fallacy, nobody ever said you were forced to raise the kid and certainly nobody said you had to like it. Forcing people to like what they hate is what parents do to kids, not what people tell to parents. It's just an assumption on what people are thinking, and that is far from fair. And you know something? My mother constantly complained about raising children (to us directly) and she was still pro-life. Nobody ever said you had to like it.
Orange is just true. A baby shouldn't suffer because of an idiot's actions. If the mom can't handle taking care of a child, that's where adoption comes in. But do you know how often a teen girl wants to keep her baby (whether from rape or premarital sex) and her parents force her to get an abortion bc they don't want to deal with the baby? What happened to "my body my choice" in that scenario? I've had relatives that will never take a orphaned relative girl in bc they want nothing to do with pregnancies. This is something the planned Parenthood business will NEVER advertise bc it collapses their own argument.
Once again, red is a fallacy. Nobody said "incompetent". It's a compromise, for crying out loud. You don't want the baby, (or "can't handle it" maybe in your own words), so you don't have to raise it. But you don't have to kill it either. We're just repeating what they say, so if anyone's using the word "incompetent", it's the one doing the abortion.
Abortions shouldn't be about "want" it should be about practicality. Only if the mother is endangered. Otherwise it shouldn't be allowed anywhere. And what confuses me is the left's ability to never hear any conservatives when we say that we're not against abortions that will save the mother's life or health. Even that was in the supreme court's decision but the left doesn't know that bc those 5 ppl who voted must be "evil overbearing tyrants". So the last four are just irrelevant.

"Every Christian will tell you rape is a sin"

There's not a single thing that every single Christian agrees on, so no, every Christian will not tell you that

"God can use sins for a greater good"

So if you were god and you saw a child about to get raped, you'd let it happen for a "greater good"? Even if you think that God lets terrible things happen for some greater purpose, you still can't deny that he lets them happen in the first place instead of stopping them.

"A baby shouldn't suffer because of an idiot's actions"

And an embryo isn't a baby, so there goes that argument

"If the mom can't handle taking care of a child, that's where adoption comes in"

For a woman to put a baby up for adoption requires her to go through a pregnancy for nine months. And if she doesn't want to do that, she doesn't have to.

"But do you know how often a teen girl wants to keep her baby (whether from rape or premarital sex) and her parents force her to get an abortion bc they don't want to deal with the baby?"

Pretty sure that would be illegal

"Abortions shouldn't be about "want" it should be about practicality. Only if the mother is endangered. Otherwise it shouldn't be allowed anywhere"

According to you

"And what confuses me is the left's ability to never hear any conservatives when we say that we're not against abortions that will save the mother's life or health"

I have heard conservatives who have said that that is never medically necessary, even though it is in some cases. It's like they want to make that one exception while at the same time pretending it doesn't happen.

Did you know that a woman in Ireland died because she was refused an abortion? Her life was in danger and conservatives there still said no, and both her and the baby died.

Well, every Christian that takes the religion seriously.

I said in that very comment that it's unfair to go into God's mind. Idk what God plans on in ppl's lives, and some ppl reject anything to do with Him and He can't help those ppl. And what are you suggesting God should do? Force stop ppl from doing things? Because if that's the argument we're making, there's things far worse than rape that we could get mad at God for not interfering in. And America's high rape rates are because of our own anti-God choices, i.e., the sexual revolution, "do what you feel like", etc.

An embryo is a life, it breathes and makes decisions. So that argument still exists.

Well if you really don't want that, then don't have s*x before marriage. And if you're raped, going through the pregnancy isn't the worst thing. In the military, if someone effs up, the whole team suffers. Sometimes you have consequences from other people's dumb actions. Nobody's saying you have to keep the child. And I understand how it feels to be upset bc you have to suffer for other ppl's mistakes. I treated my youth years like Biden's treated the US for the past 2 years, and I hated when I suffered bc of other ppl's idiocy. But you have to learn to get through things.

It should be illegal, and yet it happens. Rape and prostitution rings are illegal in many places and they still happen. It should be punishable, but a threatening dad could scare the life out of a young girl and get her to never tell anyone about his involvement in her "decision" (and I've heard of such things happening before in the US).

Those are ppl who aren't really educated on the matter. And it is debatable bc it comes down to which life do you prioritize more and do you want blood on your hands. It's a complicated debate but you'll find a lot of these "evil ogres" who don't support abortion will allow for that, and those are the politicians and scientists I'm talking about, not the regular mob. Any ol' idiot can have an opinion. Some ppl still think Hitler, Stalin and Mao were great leaders and role models.

We can agree Christians allege the following:

God is omnipotent (that is, all-powerful).

God is omniscient (that is, all-knowing).

God is perfectly good.

Evil exists.

If God is all these things, this means:

If God is omnipotent, he would be able to prevent all of the evil and suffering in the world.

If God is omniscient, he would know about all of the evil and suffering in the world and would know how to eliminate or prevent it.

If God is perfectly good, he would want to prevent all of the evil and suffering in the world.

Yet, if God knows about all of the evil and suffering in the world, knows how to eliminate or prevent it, is powerful enough to prevent it, and yet does not prevent it, he must not be perfectly good.

Yet, if God knows about all of the evil and suffering, knows how to eliminate or prevent it, wants to prevent it, and yet does not do so, he must not be all- powerful.

Yet, if God is powerful enough to prevent all of the evil and suffering, wants to do so, and yet does not, he must not know about all of the suffering or know how to eliminate or prevent it—that is, he must not be all-knowing.

If evil and suffering exist, then God is either not omnipotent, not omniscient, or not perfectly good.

God is either not omnipotent, not omniscient, or not perfectly good.

Of course, this isn't my own work, I can't take credit but I did heavily simplify it. Check it out https://iep.utm.edu/evil-log/

Have you ever heard of the Fall?

Only in name.

well essentially God created a perfect world. We effed it up and brought sin and death and decay and everything we hate here. God sent Jesus to allow us to be with Him again if we take the offer. But He doesn't interfere with everyone's lives. He gives us the choice to believe in Him or not. And some modern ppl might be tempted to say, "well we don't see Him. If we saw Him everyone would follow Him." That's not exactly true bc in Israel's day everyone knew God existed and plenty ignored His instructions and did their own thing. Satan was the first to do it. And it will be known again in time, and ppl will still not follow Him then. each generation has its own temptations and tribulations. It's our part to make sure they don't go out of hand.