Humans for the right to kill humans? What could possibly go wrong?

And anyone who supports baby murder should never call themselves Catholic. It's abhorrent that Francis won't even stand up for Bishops who speak the truth.

6ayk91.gif (click to show) Very nice of you. I know and drove me from the church years ago. I could not stand people and priests supporting those who kill. I can forgive people but when it becomes a lifestyle I can not tolerate that.

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I'm personally pro-"As long as it doesn't have a nervous system or as long as it's absolutely necessary"
I can't possibly imagine fellow young Catholics getting harmed because their bodies can't handle birthing a non-consensual child. Either way, whether the child is aborted or not, I believe they all go to heaven :)

You mean rape victims?

So you can kill babies because they will go to heaven? That's a slippery slope there.

Listen here pal, I don't wanna create an argument here, but by your logic, FETUSES who HAVE NOT MADE ANY CHOICES OR SIN WHATSOEVER go to HELL???

No I'm saying that by your logic why not kill all babies because they will all go to heaven?

It isn't about where the poor child goes. It's about whether it feels getting put out of the womb prematurely.

I could inject a person in a coma with a lethal dose and they wouldn't know but would that make it morally acceptable? Doing violence to another just because they're not aware is not a justification.

Also, If you're against rape, then you would understand stand that THE VICTIMS DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE OFFSPRING OF THE PERSON WHO HARMED THEM!!!! It's common sense! How would you feel if you were r*ped and got pregnant as a result and you weren't fit to be a parent? You wouldn't want a constant LIVING reminder of your TRAUMA. I know this stream probably doesn't allow swearing, but you're a f**king idiot. There. I said it. Mods can ban me if they want. I seriously don't give a single shit. I believe women should have their f**king rights. I may be only 13, BUT I CARE ABOUT PEOPLE. SO DON'T TELL ME THAT I'M F**KING WRONG JUST BECAUSE *YOU* BELIEVE IN IT.

I feel like we were off to a rocky start in this relationship so let's try this again. Hi Im Kate, I own this stream and made it so people of all religious backgrounds and beliefs could come together for respectful discussion of what Catholics believe. This means no personal attacks and disagreeing without profanity. I look forward to having more discussions with you because I feel like what you have to say is important.

First off a person is a person no matter the circumstances of their conception, they had no say in being conceived so is it really fair to give them the death penalty for the crime of another?

The child doesn't just belong to the rapist it is also the women's child and it's not helpful to try to convince her that this child will only be a burdon to her, a reminder of that tragedy. If I am in a horrible car accident but my 3 year old and i survived am I going to kill that child because she reminds me of that accident? Women who were raped and then abort have more trauma added to the first one and are more likely to suffer depression and suicide than women who keep the baby. It's only going to be a reminder because the media has condemned that baby before he/ she is even born and that's really not fair.

No one is saying you're wrong, but maybe look at things from another perspective as I'm trying to do with you.

(caps are used to emphasize my point.)
Hi! I'm Ax! I'm catholic, and both my parents are in the medical field.

If you don't like abortion, then that's fine, you don't have to get one! I just think that women deserve their rights. The embryo is what I'm talking about here. And I'm talking about r*pe victims who are underaged and not developed enough to where they can birth a child without either the victim or the child dying in the process. If you're too small to have a child, and said child is too un-developed to have a nervous system, or mind you a conscience since it's just a few cells replicating themselves, then I believe that it is totally okay, if not absolutely necessary for an abortion to take place. Trust me, I understand why you consider abortion as "Murder" Well, I really don't, but my point still stands. I may be only a child in your perspective, and you may be older than me, but I believe that abortion is a CHOICE that all women should have if the pregnancy was without consent. And plus, if abortion was illegal everywhere, then humanity as a whole would be screwed up due to overpopulation. Take it from a young mind that isn't ignorant. Pro-choice is pro C H O I C E.

I only came here for biblical jokes, but now I see this place as a sad wasteland for adults 10x my age to argue on and on about "Abortion is murder" and "being gay is a sin". I'm not sorry if I offend you anymore. I never was. You didn't even know that 'ED' meant Eating disorder and you said it was about male genitalia. Like, what is f**king wrong with you? How or why would you assume that fasting during lent had to do with the male genitalia? That's really f**king disgusting coming from a catholic individual. Say all you want, but I'm just a 13 y/o kid who loves christ and stands for those who don't want to deal with your BS. If you're a Mod/Owner of this Stream, DO BETTER. QUIT HARRASSING PEOPLE. Damn, i'd hate to say this, but you are a DISGRACE to catholicism as a whole. Please be a sweetheart and get in the bin.

I don’t believe you’re representing Christianity actually. I didn’t even know about this stream, but as a Christian, this is better than lgbtq streams and all that, but I believe Kate was correct in their words. As you said, you’re 13, you really and truly have no unbiased opinion from your parents until you’ve seen the real world. Abortion is wrong in all ways. You can’t say that Kate represented Catholicism bad and was a disgrace until you read the Bible. There’s dozens of verses about how wrong lgbtq is and the murder of children. So don’t run your mouth until you learn math fully and read.

I said nothing disrespectful to you, merely asked a few questions to clarify what you were saying. Please change the tone if you want to continue posting to this stream. Thank you.

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Or people with compassion.

You're the guy who says you quit the church of politics, not the pedophilia, right?

I stopped going because of the Pope preaching social justice. I am not for any pedo at all. Pedo's are rampant in society these days and accepted by leftists. Look at the case with the 10 yr old with the 27 yr old illegal in Ohio.

So why is it that you pick and choose which pedophiles you do and don't support based on their politics? Why is it that conservatives support and encourage pedophilia from their own?

Hi Kev, please no anti catholic rhetoric here. If you have any claims to make about our past crimes (which there are some admittedly because we're a church full of humans) please back it up with references to real data and not some numbers you pulled out of a hat. While you're at it please also post the numbers in other religions as well just so we can compare. Thanks.

How is it anti-catholic to speak honestly about what they have done?

Also these crimes are not in the past and they very much continue to this day.

Oh no lol, Catholics used to be glad. Luckily they’ve gotten better. While the pope does say some crazy things, it’s not all of the church. There are good people in the Catholic Church who genuinely don’t believe in all of this.

They only count if they're wearing a Catholic collar, not a drag queen outfit, or Mickey Mouse ears, or a Amish hat a Muslim Turban or have brown skin, white skin or speak Spanish. You know?

Yeah they molested millions of children over hundreds of years and tried to cover it up every step of the way.

You do see how it's pretty sus that the molestation and child rape didn't bother you as much as social justice bothers you, yes? You accepted it until the pope said something that triggered you.

I don't see Who Am I or other Catholics harassing you in your atheist streams so please show the same respect in our stream. Please read the rules and follow them. I am all too willing to talk about the Church's mistakes (and it's not millions of children by every priest for hundreds of years, let's be realistic) your hatred of the Church is not welcome here but your respectful and constructive criticism is. I hope you understand the difference.

who-am-i is hardly respectful.

The Catholic church themselves found over a quarter of a million abuse survivors in France alone, and those were only the confirmed ones. How on earth can you deny that the number is in the millions?

Don't bear false witness and say you want to discuss the mistakes of the church (these weren't "mistakes" by the way, they created an entire infrastructure around protecting abusers and silencing victims) when all you really want to do is sweep it under the rug.

Show me the reports from France. I want to see numbers. The Catholic church will be the first to admit there is a problem and it's actively addressing it. Can't say the same about other churches where abuse occurs at a much higher rate. Take the Amish for example where 1 in 3 women are abused daily.

I'm not sweeping anything under the rug and have never denied abuses. I won't however tolerate the tone in which you approach this stream so I will only agree to discuss whatever problems you have with the Catholics of you do so in a more respectful manner.

Instead of getting mad at people for acknowledging the problem, why don't you direct that anger towards the abusers?

I've talked to two Catholics in these comments now, and both of you have shown more anger towards me than you have at the people who use the moral authority you give them to abuse children, and use your tax-free tithes to avoid justice.

Who Am I only gave one response which to me seems civil enough, I have simply tried to refer you to the stream rules. You came into this stream with the intent of criminalizing an entire group of people like Who and Myself on an irrelevant meme simply because we identify as Catholics.

And believe me all good and real Catholics are very angry at the abuse in the church. We're aren't ignoring it like the fake Catholics who don't follow what they preach.

I'm not angry, I'm kindly requesting you to follow the stream rules. This post has nothing to do with pedophilia so we did not instigate this, I'm happy to talk to you about any questions you have about the Church and any ideas you have to resolve all its problems. If you're truly concerned about helping others and resolving issues than let's talk about how to do that shall we? :)

All the information you need to find what you're looking for is here. The Pope himself was presented this report and didn't deny a word of it.

What does it say about Catholics in general that they don't know about the abuse taking place in their own church unless a non-catholic tells them? How can you say you're fixing the problem when you don't even acknowledge that it exists?

Could rise to 330,000 if it includes lay people. Meaning non-priests.

Even 1 abuse is tragic.

I guess you haven't stepped foot in a Catholic church in awhile. Every church is required to post abuse reporting information, every person who in any way interacts with the young or the elderly has to take extensive days long trainings in preventing recognizing and reporting abuse, many priests have been stripped of their titles and can no longer even step foot in a church, hence been excommunicated for their crimes. Many are facing criminal trials now. That is still a very small percentage of the very good and holy priests that do give their lives to help others all over the world because they are the real priests not the imposters. I can assure you the percentage of lgbtq who abuse children is much higher than the number of priests. But you probably want to sweep that under the rug.

You asked me to back up my abuse claims and I did (even the pope agrees with me)

Now it's your turn to back up your claims about lgbt abuse.

Again I ask (hopefully you stop trying to change the subject) Why do you get more mad at me for pointing out that the abuse you denied exists than you get at the people who abuse children with the moral authority that you give them?

If you want to claim that pedophilia does upset you, then please back it up with examples of you calling out the pedos in your church. A simple screenshot will do.

I'd be happy to continue this discussion in a different stream. I will allow you access to this Catholic stream when you indicate you're here for respectful dialogue.
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Thanks for your comments, I am busy with my family now but will reply soon.

You've made lots of lofty claims so far. Make your family proud and back them t up like I did.

Said you'd reply soon. Another lie. By my count that's twice you got caught bearing false witness, and both on a Sunday nonetheless.

As I thought, I'm clearly not dealing with a real Catholic. Is there anyone that you can direct me to who takes the religion seriously? Preferably someone who also keeps up with the news so that they don't need an atheist to tell them what's going on in their own church? Thanks!

What a rabid imagination you have.

i belive rape victims should be able to, or at least have a limit on the amount you can have for accidents or things like that

In any abortion, a child has to endure a painful trial of death merely because he or she exists. Using that justification only creates more victims. Putting the child up for adoption for a better quality of life in the hands of another family is better than seeing no hope and killing him or her. Look at your own mother. She gave birth to you, just as mine gave birth to me. My mother had undergone much suffering with her miscarriages, and her pig of a doctor recommended her to have me slaughtered. Evidence pointed to me possibly being a miscarriage, but she persisted.