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Politics then and now... | The Party Platforms; &; Then; Now; Absolutist Democrats: It's my right to have an abortion! Absolutist Democrats: It's our right to have slaves! Relativist Democrats: I'm personally opposed to slavery, but I'm not going to impose that view on anyone else. Relativist Democrats: I'm personally against abortion, but I'm not going to impose that view on anyone else. REPUBLICANS: ABORTION IS WRONG, AND IT SHOULD EVENTUALLY BE BANNED. Republicans: Slavery is wrong, and it's spread should be slowed and it should eventually be abolished. | image tagged in blank parchment paper,blank template | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
535 views 32 upvotes Made by USA_Patriot76 2 years ago in politics
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1 up, 2y
Bingo.
1 up, 2y,
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Except it is not wrong, getting out a clump of cells.
4 ups, 2y,
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It's not a clump. It is a human being.

And yes, it is wrong.
1 up, 2y,
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The clump of cells is not alive. It is a pre-human. Ask any biologist.
4 ups, 2y,
1 reply
I thought we had already been through this?

Anyway, if you "ask a biologist" (a serious one, anyway...) they would say that, yes, the unborn children killed in an abortion are, in fact, alive. They aren't "clumps." We describe loose collections of things as clumps. A fully functioning organism, and that's what a fetus is, is not a clump. For example, we wouldn't say a Rolex watch is a clump of gears, unless we smashed it with a hammer.

Both fetuses and embryos are human organisms. They meet all necessary criteria for life, including growth by cellular reproduction and response to stimuli.

The real question lies in the philosophical debate.
1 up, 2y,
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"The real question lies in the philosophical debate."
I agree with you there. I'm okay with first trimester abortions, before the neural connections have developed that could be considered consciousness. Second trimester's a little murky on that one. Third trimester is a clear no-go (except in cases of medical necessity).
1 up, 2y
Well I'd disagree on the first and second trimesters... I think they should be illegal then as well... And I think there is a distinction between different situations regarding the mother. But yes it should definitely be illegal in the 3rd trimester.
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2 ups, 2y
its just as much as a clump of cells as you are, I could define any human being as a clump of cells. It's a human being. It's it's own DNA and life. Preventing a heartbeat from happening is just as bad as stopping an already beating heart.
1 up, 2y,
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Are you comparing having a slave to having an abortion? That isn't really very logical in my opinion.
To be honest, I feel there is a bias in white male conservative opinions. Would you REALLY sacrifice your livelihood for a child you didn't want? And the bias we can't forget about, because you would never have to make that choice.
4 ups, 2y
Men never have to give up what they want in order to deal with having a child? Are you literally insane?
3 ups, 2y,
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Well both are terrible tragedies so...

Oh good. I'm glad you feel that way. But it doesn't influence my opinion in any way, shape, or form. Also, are you asserting that only white men have biases?

Would you really sacrifice your child for your money?

So what you're saying is that unless an issue affects us directly, we can't have an opinion on it? And may I ask you, to make WHAT choice?
3 ups, 2y,
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What I want is for the child to be able to live.

I completely agree. No one should be forced to conceive a child. But in a pregnancy, a child is already there.

You don't think I didn't know it was not the 1930s? Anyway, timeline bears no relevance to this question.

We don't think that. We just think that people, to include unborn people, should be allowed to live. Women are still welcome to get a job. In fact, there are many very skilled women out there that are very greatly admire, including Candice Owens, Carol Swain, and Winsome Sears, among others. Your argument is a straw man.

But, you see, a pregnant woman already IS a mother, whether she likes it or not. Let me ask you this: suppose a woman becomes pregnant and decides that she wants to keep the child. She gives birth, and is very happy with her decision. But when the child is two, she changes her mind and decides she "doesn't want to be a mother" and "shouldn't be forced to be a mother." Should she be allowed to kill that child because she doesn't wish to care for it?

Okay, and you're entitled to your opinion. I feel that we should respect the sanctity of lifee in all of its stages, including those stages before birth.
3 ups, 2y
Also I misspelled life. Sorry about the typo.
3 ups, 2y
That *I* greatly admire...
1 up, 2y,
2 replies
My issue with your argument is that you falsely accused me of using a strawman argument, yet you yourself use a strawman argument. The pro-choice belief isn't that you should be allowed to kill a fully born baby, outside of the womb. The pro-choice belief is that Women should have the right to abort fetuses, in a womb, not babies, outside wombs.
We shouldn't protect the early life stages, at the fall of the fully developed. We've had the right to abortion for 50 years.
We must stop making laws off of fairy tale books.
Freedom of religion means freedom FROM religion.
White nationalist republicans want to preserve white babies, as white women are the majority getting abortions.
2 ups, 2y,
1 reply
You said our position is that we see women as "unskilled laborers, whose only job is to bear children and be homemakers." That is an exaggerated and, quite frankly, untrue definition of our position.

What you are interpreting as a strawman on my part is actually a rhetorical question. There's a difference.

Okay, why do you think those things?

Slavery was also a "right" for longer than fifty years. That proves nothing.

There's another strawman. Incidentally, it's also a red herring.

This isn't about religion.

WTF? The fact that I don't want babies of ANY RACE to die somehow makes me a white supremacist?
1 up, 2y,
1 reply
I'm talking about republican lawmakers.
2 ups, 2y
H-what?
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1 up, 2y,
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Ok then, seemingly enough i was wrong. However, i have a new argument: Abortion is concentrated among low-income women, this will impact them, as well as women of color as well.
And i still stand by my white nationalist republican claim.
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0 ups, 2y,
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Didn't GOP endorse Trump? I mean, i guess i have to give a droplet of credit to the Anti-Trumpist Republicans, but nonetheless they are still republicrooks, so they still suck.

The Mango Mussolini has a long history of racism, including before his politcal career.
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0 ups, 2y
You know what. you're right. I'm wrong. I mean, how could he be racist? He's quite the anti-fascist. So anti-fascist, he wanted his soldiers to follow in the footsteps of ''german soldiers in world war 2.''

And he was such a ally, that back in his landlord days, he lied to African-American tenants about apartments being available and got sued by the government because he violated the fair housing act. And one of his former workers wrote an entire book about him in 91' dedicated to his bigotry and incompetence in business. I'm just a ignorant commie propagandist. I dont know what i'm talking about whatsoever. I'm a wittle anti-american terrorist. F**king republicans. Morons.
3 ups, 2y
LOL .. "bias in white male conservative opinions"

Of course there is a bias. There's also a bias in black female liberal opinions. It's in the very nature of an opinion.
2 ups, 2y
Ok so you can’t comment on anything related to men because you aren’t a man? You can’t have an opinion on school safety unless you work in one? Ridiculous, anyone can have an opinion.
2 ups, 2y,
1 reply
Think about it. We cannot demand women settle for less bodily autonomy that we grant to literal dead bodies.
3 ups, 2y
I heard someone say My body, My Choice is the same as My House My Rules. Does that mean I can murder everyone inside the house?
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