Liberals have sick, twisted minds.

This is what is so hypocritical of liberals.

Well done, Clatsop. It makes perfect sense.

There is no logic to Vagi-think

Liberals think women should be able to control their own bodies. That's not sick or twisted.

I could not disagree with you more.

I think that innocent, defenseless human life deserves protection.

I think killing our unborn IS sick and twisted.

"Consent to gestation is provided by the parents before/at conception"

And like sexual consent, it can be withdrawn at any time. Do you think if a woman consents to sex but changes her mind, that it's okay to force yourself on her?

"Parents are obligated to care for and provide for their children by law"

No they aren't, otherwise no one could ever give a child up for adoption.

"I believe that obligation to care begins before birth… at the moment of conception"

Okay, that's your opinion

"I know the left hates facing consequences of personal choices though, and will perform mental gymnastics to justify the avoidance of them"

No they don't

"once conceived it deserves the same protection against being killed as you or I. They have human rights from the moment they are conceived."

Again, that's your opinion. Also, human rights don't include the right to use someone else's body without their consent.

"But then again, I not really all that surprised that your side can’t define when human rights begins correctly, as yours is the side that flat out refuses to even define what makes a woman a women, or what makes a man a man"

Again, not true at all. And how do you prove that you have it right? You can't.

I was adopted as an infant. (My single mother could not support me).

I support adoption. My extended family includes many adoptees.

My adoptive parents assumed the obligation to care for me. I know, because I’ve seen the document.

I was given a chance to live.

Goosebumps. So glad your mother made the right decision.

You can’t just withdrawal consent to gestate. By that time there is another life involved, and that life has rights.

You're also ignoring the fact that the vast majority of abortions occur long before a fetus gets to that level of development

The Democratic Party supports abortion right up to the moment of birth… With no restrictions.

Sick and twisted.

No. I am not ignoring that fact. It is still human life, even at it’s earliest stages.

No one has the the right to end an innocent human life. Period.

To think otherwise IS sick and twisted.

Why do you think a fetus has special rights?

Human rights.

Using someone else's body isn't a human right

One human killing another human is wrong.

Assuming that Roe v. Wade is about to be reversed, I am glad that protections for the unborn will now be codified in multiple states across our nation.

It’s long past time to have the discussion where it belongs… at the state level. It is long past time to put some all democrat legislators votes on record that they do NOT stand up for human rights for ALL humans.

Some states will stand up for human rights, and others will decide to let the killing continue.

I, for one, am glad to stand on the side of innocent babies, rather than the side of the women that have sex knowing that the consequences of that sex can be the production of another unique human inside their bodies.

Consequences… those are what people used to face when they made decisions.

Again, why do you think fetuses have special rights to use someone else's body without their consent?

Consent to gestation is provided by the parents before/at conception.

Parents are obligated to care for and provide for their children by law. I believe that obligation to care begins before birth… at the moment of conception.

The time decide you don’t want to risk human life being produced is before you have sex, not after.

People need to face the consequences of their choices.

I know the left hates facing consequences of personal choices though, and will perform mental gymnastics to justify the avoidance of them.

The child produced has made no choices on its conception, but once conceived it deserves the same protection against being killed as you or I. They have human rights from the moment they are conceived. Period.

Human rights are not magically granted in the birth canal. It’s a baby before, and it’s a baby after.

But then again, I not really all that surprised that your side can’t define when human rights begins correctly, as yours is the side that flat out refuses to even define what makes a woman a women, or what makes a man a man.

You seem to care more about embryos than actual adults

No one has a right to use someone else's body without their permission. That goes for fetuses, too

“And like sexual consent, it can be withdrawn at any time.”

Glad you agree consent is given at conception.

But it doesn't end there

I just don’t get people like you, and I never will. I have nothing but disdain for your way of thinking.

Why can you understand it is a living human baby gestating we are talking about, not a wart that needs to be removed or a bad tooth that needs pulled?

It’s a living baby with a beating heart.

I think it is wrong to kill babies, and to think otherwise IS sick and twisted.

Don’t be a baby killer.

"I just don’t get people like you, and I never will. I have nothing but disdain for your way of thinking."

You have disdain for women's rights? Because that's the basis for my way of thinking on this issue.

"It’s a living baby with a beating heart"

At the moment of conception it has a beating heart? No it doesn't.

"I think it is wrong to kill babies, and to think otherwise IS sick and twisted."

I never said it was okay to kill babies

We disagree fundamentally on when life begins, and when human rights begin.

We don't disagree on when life begins. We do disagree on when human rights begin and what those rights are.

When do they begin (human rights), and what are they then.

Let’s here what YOU think. Lay it out for me… let’s see what you’ve got.

maybe human rights begin at birth, maybe they begin with personhood. I'm not quite sure.

What are they? I don't think there are any intrinsic human rights. Whatever human rights people have are given by a society. I believe they should exist, though. Things like freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc.

Do you believe in limits to abortion, or do you believe a women should be able to abort right up till the moment of birth?

I believe limits should be placed around the time of viability. Abortions after that point should ideally be limited to reasons like health of the woman, etc