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5,661 views 6 upvotes Made by kevdex10 3 years ago in ItsACatholicThing
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K8. M
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All artistic renditions of symbolic imagery from the Bible. Thanks for posting! Angels also are known to take the form of ordinary humans too. Since they're spirits they do not have physical bodies normally.
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"Since they're spirits they do not have physical bodies normally."

There is no such thing as "spirits" in Jewish Scripture, they only believed in the physical.
K8. M
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But isn't God (Yahweh) a spirit?
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Not according to His Chosen.
K8. M
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Please elaborate
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The concept of "Spirit" as some sort of non-corporeal being or state of existence is not in the Old Testament for a reason. It had referred to being in a mood, a mode of... "I'm in a Christmas spirit" ... "in the spirit of giving" ...

Manifestations of the Lord (and everything else) were described as physical, material.
[deleted] M
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Genesis1:2
[deleted] M
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Wrong.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
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So what I said then?
[deleted] M
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"Spirit of God". It refutes what you say about manifestations of the Lord being physical and material.
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No, it does not.
[deleted] M
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yes, it does, unless you follow the Jehovah Witness belief as the Spirit of God being HIS "active force".
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No, it does NOT.

Again, the concept of "Spirit" as some sort of non-corporeal being or state of existence is NOT in the Old Testament for a reason. It had referred to being in a mood, a mode of... "I'm in a Christmas spirit" ... "in the spirit of giving" ...

It does not say "the Spirit God" or "God the Spirit" or "the Holy Spirit" or "the Spirit," it says the spirit of...

Actually the JWs are closer to it, as the word sort of translates into "spirit" or "wind" or "breath"
[deleted] M
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Sorry, this is where we will never agree. If God is not Spirit, than what is He, bound by the limitations of a physical body? "Spirit" CAN mean mood, or emotional state of being, but it does not mean that it as the same meaning in different passages throughout the Bible.
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Agreement is irrelevant. The Word is the Word or is it not?

"If God is not Spirit, than what is He, bound by the limitations of a physical body?"

God - specifically, the God of the Judeans - is bound by the limitations of what His adherrents wrote. He is their God and they are His Chosen, as the Book says.

Genesis was written during the Babylonian Exile, so "spirit" as you refer to simply was not a concept or issue in that mix. It simply didn't exist, period.

That notion, as well as that of soul along the same plane, one God, his opposition in the form of an evil entity, the afterlife, the Apocalypse, Paradise, Hell... those are all Zoroastrian, and started filtering in after the Iranians liberated the Jews from Babylon, and also later in Rome where numerous Zoroastrain and other Persian sects (Manecheism, Mithraism, etc) were widely practiced, hence Christianity bearing far more resemblance to it (and other Roman practiced faiths) than to Judaism.

There IS a reason Christianity isn't Judaism, and this is it.
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Who wrote genesis
[deleted] M
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How you interpret the Word is very relevant.And God is not bound by the limitations of any book.
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"How you interpret the Word is very relevant."

Either you're a fundamentalist for real, or you're a .... what does the Book call those who would steal the Word of the Chosen and call it their own but not before corrupting it beyond recognition?

You started with a specific reference to Genesis 1:1 & 2 as fact. Backpedaling because you did look up the words afterwards and saw you erred is not an option at this point.
[deleted] M
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God is spirit. Dean with it. 2 Cor 3:17-18 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/God,-As-Spirit

Now, if you don't believe the New Testament is part of sacred scripture then the rest of this conversation is pointless.
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Correct, Ahura Mazda a spirit, unlike Yahweh who is physical. Ahura Mazda is the template from which the diety of the Hebrews was remodeled and expanded, particularly with Christians.

The New Testament was written by the Romans, the enemies of the Judeans.
According to the Book, that would make them what? Rome with the seven hills would be the location of what and whom?
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Symbolic? 🤔
K8. M
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Yes, there's lots of imagery in the book of Apocalyse (last book of the bible) especially.
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yk if that's what they look like (even tho they're actually depicted generally as men) then maybe that's why they said don't be afraid...
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