Ukraine is like Cuba

Anyone who thinks Ukraine is comparable to Cuba clearly doesn't know their history. Here's the difference. In 1994 Ukraine (at the rest of the world's insistence) gave up 1,900 strategic warheads, 176 intercontinental ballistic missile. About 1/3 of the world's nukes. They gave then to Russia and in return they were promised via the Budapest Memorandum of Security Assurances. It is a political agreement between Ukraine, Russia, the U.K., and the U.S.

According to the memorandum, signatories Russia, the U.S., and the U.K. agreed to respect the “independence and sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine” after the country agreed to give up its nuclear stockpile. Ukraine was also promised that its territorial integrity and political independence will be maintained and that the signatories will not use economic coercion against Ukraine to their own advantage.

Comparing it to Cuba is a propaganda tactic to justify his illegal invasion of Crimea in 2014, and now illegal invasion of Ukraine. Don't give him the satisfaction of justifying his tyranny.

No I'm not saying we should enter this but Ukraine is the victim here.

Based on what the Putin tyrant is doing now, I believe Ukraine should have NEVER given up their nukes. They never would have been invaded if they hadn't.

NATO was bringing the nukes back plus the nukes they kept in chernobyl.

You have zero proof of that. What part of NATO doesn't publish how many nukes did you not understand?

Actually you're on the side of Putin boot licking drama queens

Well he is Russian.

Not sure if he's gotten an upgrade, but he used to not be able to tell usernames apart. Seems vRusskiye Translate gets confused when it comes to telling "Meemr_Dlux_Bruh" apart from "Notanotherusername"
He would repeatedly reply to the wrong memer, asking them for citations or explanations for what someone else said, even after they told him it was someone else.

Nope. Do you understand that if we go into Ukraine to stop Putin, he threatened to use nukes on us?

Never said we should do that, but If you're so hung up on what pissed Putin off, then why don't you consider how Hillary, Biden, Obie, and all your other little democrat friends in congress were for about 5 years publicly humiliating and accusing Putin of manipulating Trump for Russia's benefit, things which were proven to be completely untrue.

So maybe you could go over there and publicly apologize to Putin and lick his boots, and while you're at it why don't you beg him to go back to Russia.

Pretty sure that wouldn't lead to war unless you really try to firmly attach your lips to his arse. He would probably take offense to that and start WW3.

So the difference was in 1962 Russia was providing an ICBM Nuke to a radical communist thug that had been murdering his own citizens and was openly hostile to the US and was making threats to the US. Whereas Ukraine had given up all their nukes to Russia, and was making NO threats to Russia.

NATO was bringing nukes in.

No, it had nothing to do with that. This had been planned for quite some time and Russia was just waiting for the opportune time.

China and Russia have leaders. We have Joe Biden.

Yes, it was planned, but the thing that kicked it off was NATO missiles.

First you said Nukes. You should really make up your mind.

Well, everyone agrees NATO put missiles there. They do have nukes too, but that's supposed to be secret.

NATO does not have nukes.

That's not true either. I've seen some estimates that they have around 100 nukes, but NATO doesn't publish how many nukes they have. Several of the NATO members have nukes also. For example... France has 300 Nukes. Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands each have around 20 nukes. NOBODOY has as much nukes as Russia's 6200 (3,039 available) though. Not even the USA has that much. The USA has just over 5500 (2,361 available) Nuclear weapons.

That's all nice n stuff, but NATO does not have nukes.

I think maybe I see your point, that several nations have Nukes that are under NATO control.

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2020/2/pdf/200224-factsheet-nuclear-en.pdf

NATO Allies retain political control of all aspects of nuclear decision-making. The
Nuclear Planning Group (NPG), founded in 1966, is the main forum to discuss
nuclear issues within NATO.
While the North Atlantic Council is the ultimate authority within NATO, the
NPG acts as the senior body on nuclear matters.
The NPG reviews the Alliance’s nuclear policy, including the safety, security and
survivability of nuclear weapons, and communications and information systems.
Irrespective of whether or not they have nuclear weapons, all Allies are members of
the NPG with the exception of France, which has decided not to participate.

*le sigh*

I have no point to see. Facts are facts.

NATO does not have nukes STILL.

Three of its members do, and they are theirs to do with as they have been doing since they got them.

The United States of America having nukes doesn't mean the Americas do or the Western Hemisphere does or NAFTA or Mexico or Canada or Grenada because Reagan invaded them or St Kitts because it's near that.
Nor does the USA await orders from NATO on how to utilize them.

NATO website says otherwise

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_183208.htm

"Since NATO was founded more than 70 years ago, nuclear weapons have been the foundation of the Alliance’s collective security. Today, nuclear threats have not gone away. That is why NATO still keeps nuclear weapons: because nuclear deterrence is still necessary and its principles still work."

Yeah, um, still NATO still does not have nukes STILL.

They do not have nukes, and you can't prove that. That's classic bull shit. Not even Putin says that.

Where? Russia has 6200 nukes. US has just over 5400 nukes. NATO doesn't publish how many nukes they have. So that's bull shit.

They don't because they don't want anyone to know. So some research.

You making up imaginary nukes doesn't deserve research. Post up proof or STFU.

They aren't imaginary. Just count how many they had and how many were removed. It's simple math.

You can't count that because it isn't public knowledge. Do you understand the meaning of public knowledge versus NOT public knowledge?

So I take it you didn't do the math?

Here's some real math for you. Sorry it isn't your liberal non math.

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Lol, I'm on the opposite side of being liberal.
And I didn't say gas prices went up because of Ukraine. We are talking nukes here.

Nobody is nuking anyone... so you can stop waving your WW3 flag

The US had nuclear weapons in Turkey pointing at the Soviets. The Cuban Crisis was, in part, a response to the US placing nuclear arms at the Soviet doorstep.

I agree, as much as I hate Putin, I think trying to provoke nuclear war with him is not a good idea. I don't think Putin's attacks will result in World War 3, he is only attacking the Ukraine, the Ukraine is the one endangered by his war machine, not us, nevertheless the U.S., Canada and other nations should stay out of it.

Yeah, but nobody in the US got Trump elected buying $14 thousand worth of FB ads.
There in lies the difference.
Bad people like that are not allowed to object to Nuclear missiles in Cuba, I mean Ukraine, that are pointed at them.

Uh, actually many countries and corporations bought ads that cost more.