Have some compassion for those who had their lives destroyed by the covid restrictions

In the U.K., Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced that his government will lift all covid restrictions on January 26, 2022 including lifting the mask mandates and vaccine passport system. Even though I don't live in England, I am happy that they get to be happy live their lives again and with big government control destroying their lives for I have compassion and care about other people's well-being.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60047438

Also, there is no point in having the vaccine passport system in effect because the vaccinated can still be infected and unknowingly spread covid, the vaccines don't stop the transmission of covid, it just reduces the severity of covid in a person. Many highly vaccinated nations including the U.K., Ireland, Canada, Denmark and Norway are having a high surge of covid cases and the covid cases among the vaccinated are a lot high than the unvaccinated.

There is a quote from Oscar Wilde that I find very relevant these days: imgflip.com/i/57yo7m

You can't blame covid for the pre-existing situations that you describe. People have had crappy jobs and been homeless long before covid came around. So you really need to be honest and break these people into two groups; those who were that way before, and those who find themselves that way now due to the govt shutdown of a great economy, the loss of their livelihoods, and all the rest that is associated with the libtard imposed covid restrictions.

And of course there isn't anything wrong with wanting your life to be better, to have a better paying job, to have a nice warm home so you won't freeze to death on the streets.

For those that find themselves in that situation due to covid, I believe the govt has already spent trillions of dollars trying to help them. I get it though, on an individual basis, what was received might not have been enough. Maybe something reasonable can be done to help them.

Regardless of how people find themselves in the situations you describe, what is wrong is not doing anything about it other than whining about it, and expecting others (especially the govt) to lift you out of your situation, when you should be at least working on doing that for yourself.

There are numerous ways to do it. I did, so I know it can be done. No, I wasn't homeless, but I damn near was. I was living in a dumpy apartment in a very bad part of town, barely making rent most months, but not all months. I had massive debt, including student loan debt and of course credit card debt. My old beater car was falling apart and I couldn't; afford to fix it. I was having to sell off most of my personal property of any value, just to have enough money to eat and make rent.

And it never once crossed my mind to make the govt or anyone else responsible for getting me out of that situation. And this was back when I was routinely voting Democrat! The only assistance I sought or received was unemployment insurance. And that's insurance, not a grant. So yes, I had to pay taxes on the money I received as unemployment insurance.

So no, people are not selfish nor entitled for being sick of their lives, covid or not. But they need to do something about it themselves. Here's a slightly modified version of a quote from Dr. Hunter S. Thompson: call on the govt but row away from the rocks.

I am aware that stagnant wages and homelessness were problems before covid, I was just trying to make the point that people are now suffering from covid restrictions destroying their lives and the left that claim to be compassionate to the poor are now being very uncompassionate to those who are suffering under the covid restrictions from poverty, unemployment, mental health issues, domestic abuse, deaths from alcohol poisoning and drug overdose and even youth suicides. Those leftists call people "selfish" and "entitled" for wanting the lockdowns to end. My point is that calling a person "selfish" and "entitled" about being sick of suffering from the lockdowns is as uncompassionate as calling a person "selfish" and "entitled" for being sick of suffering in poverty due to being underpaid for the work they do for others. And besides, there really isn't direct correlation to the lockdowns and the lowering of covid cases. I strongly believe the government needs to end all covid restrictions and let people have their lives back so e everyone won't needlessly suffer. They are gonna do that in England and I am and I am nothing but happy for the people of England. In 2020, I learned to never take my basic freedom of movement for granted again.

You'll get no argument from me that there are plenty of people suffering from covid-lockdown related issues. I won't list any that you didn't list, since your list is thorough and accurate, imo. I've been complaining about all of that since jump. And I think when the dust settles, and the true toll of this covid madness is somehow determined, it will be way worse by any metric, than if we had simply protected those in the high high risk groups, and accurately educated the rest of the population about sensible precautions.

The left does claim to be compassionate, but imo they pretty much have used the entire covid situation for nothing more than a power / money grab. Your point about no direct correlation between the lockdowns and the lowering of covid cases is spot on. As well as your excellent point about basic freedom of movement. Many freedoms, actually. Quick story about that; my wife and I have a business related to health care (sorry, no more details than that here on imgflip, as I have found out the hard way that anything specific revealed about my personal life is twisted and lied about by those who disagree with my political point of view... sort of like what the media does to politicians they dislike...) and at one point I had to be quarantined away from my house for a few days. After a couple of days, I was starting to get fairly annoyed and certainly easily agitated. I can only imagine what those in a hard lockdown that lasts for a longer period of time go through from a mental health standpoint. So I truly believe that the negative mental health aspects alone that the lockdowns have caused and is causing are doing more harm than any potential good that may come from them (and that assumes they are doing some good, which I don't assume)

And finally, I will admit that in my apparent haste in looking over your meme, I missed some of its more nuanced points, so I appreciate you taking the time to write a thoughtful reply. We don't get a lot of that here on imgflip.

Wages have been going down and people getting thrown onto the streets long before COVID. It's a product of capitalism.

Before this pandemic I would also address such issues and I would get hate and harassment from right-wing libertarians trolls who would call me all sorts of horrible things such as a "communist", "socialist theif", "economically illiterate" and "retarded". These days I would address issues and suffering caused by the covid restrictions such as people suffering and dying from mental health issues, domestic abuse, alcohol poisoning, drug overdose and even youth suicides and I get hate and harassment from angry leftist trolls like you just for addressing such issues. I am inclined to care for another person's well-being regardless of what the factors are, whether it's big totalitarian government or private sector tyrants such as abusive employers or vulture landlords. I also don't see why addressing issues of poverty, homelessness, mental health issues, domestic abuse, etc. should be viewed as a political left or right partisan issue. I just want people to be able to live a happy, enjoyable life and not suffer in poverty and I get hated right and left just for that.

Looking at your memes though it almost seems you make memes to satisfy the public and mock the left and the right, but mostly the left. Ancoms don't believe in public health measures by force, and if they are fighting anti-vax protesters, it's because they are fighting a right-wing cause in general. Anarchists aren't going to ally with rightists on anything. They are the enemy because they believe in upholding the oppressive institutions hurting us all.

I do not believe in violence be it from the right or the left. I also don't adhere to extremist ideologies like anarchism or Marxism. Also, I'm not anti-vax but I am opposed to vaccine mandates for I believe in basic bodily autonomy, denying a person their rights for not taking a big corporate pharma product sounds very fascistic to me, I think it's unstandable why people wouldn't want to take something they don't feel comfortable with and don't know the long-term effects of, I don't see how basic safety concerns about vaccines should be viewed as a "right vs left" issue, I don't see reason to force vaccines on healthy young people, the vaccines don't actually stop the transmission of covid they just reduce the severity of covid, I also think vaccine mandates are an excuse to punish the working-class. Another big problem with vaccine mandates and passport systems is that they disproportionately affect people in immigrant and ethnic minority communities. Black Lives Matter New York slams former Mayor Bill de Blasio's vaccine mandate as "racist and disrespectful": https://www.blackenterprise.com/leader-of-black-lives-matter-new-york-chapter-calls-vaccine-mandates-racist-and-disrespectful/

So are we just supposed to allow white supremacist violence to continue? Or let mainstream conservatives adopt white nationalist talking points and promulgate them to a wide audience? I think it’s absurd to oppose violence against fascists. They absolutely cause harm and are not innocents.

You are strawmanning me, we are NOT supposed to allow white supremacist violence to continue. Moderate conservatives are not far-right extremist, fascists or white nationalists. You are being just as bad as those libertarian trolls who accused me of being a communist even though I was merely a social democrat. Moderate conservatives don't have far-right opinions and they don't cause harm against the innocent, they are moderate and make fair points. People like you however do cause harm against the innocent, you accuse people of being far-right fascists when they are not. Harming a moderate conservative just for having a moderately right opinion that you disagree with is not "fighting fascism". You need to grow up and realize there is difference between moderate conservatives and far-right fascists much like how libertarians ancaps need to learn the difference between center-left social democats and far-left communists. All political extremists are trash who harm the innocent, be it far-right or far-left. I am a decent person who believes in basic law and order and not allowing people to harm on another.

I’d like to know where these “moderate conservatives” exist. The GOP has shifted very far-right and I don’t see anyone who is reasonable anymore. Plus, nobody defending capitalism is a rational person making “good arguments”.

They have not shifted furthur to the right, they are not being unreasonable, they are defending people's basic freedom of movement. And people who do defend capitalism do make good and rational arguments, the economies that have the lowest poverty rates are capitalist countries, European nations such as Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, etc. they generate wealth and use the wealth to sustain life. Communist countries like the the former USSR don't work and people suffer under poverty in those dictatorships. You aren't making any rational arguments when you defend ideas that don't work.

Poverty is rising in the capitalist countries, though. And you know damn well conservatives are so stubborn they would resist any attempt to replicate the Nordic system in America, they think it’s socialism. China has reduced poverty drastically and is the reason we see overall global poverty decreasing.

Ultimately the USSR did fail but the USSR is one of many examples why state planning is capable of producing a strong economy and swift industrialization, something bourgeois economists still say is impossible.

Still, that isn’t a system I want, I think anarchism works best for people and experiments in the past show this is accurate.

If you would even attempt to come up with a plan to implement the Nordic system in America, and perhaps summarize it for consumption in a forum like imgflip, then an intelligent discussion about doing so could take place. But to just say it could be done and that stubborn conservatives would resist, without addressing the obvious differences between those countries and the US, serves no useful purpose, imo. The differences in these countries are enormous, so a system that works well for relatively small countries like Norway Sweden, etc., can't just be scaled up, and realistically expected to work in a huge and diverse country like the US.

And to say anarchism works best is pretty much admitting you have no plan. Unless your anarchists are organized in some way to make them accountable to each other, so they don't screw each other over, which means they're not anarchists after all. Without that type of structure, human nature takes over, and people always put their needs first. There has to be some kind of structure in place to ensure the kind of equity you seem to seek. Capitalism, with all its flaws and positives, is still the best approach to achieve this, and is the only proven approach (stressing the word proven) that has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system the world has seen.

Also you are incredibly wrong about poverty. You are talking about people earning $1.90 a day, which is obviously not enough for anyone. You’re also talking about people suddenly becoming dependent on small amounts of money due to capitalism taking over the global south. They’ve lost much more than they’ve gained in global trade.

If we raised the extreme poverty line from $1.90 to $7.25, we would see 4.2 billion people below the line, a number increasing since 1981. Almost all advancements in reducing poverty can be attributed to China (not a free market capitalist country).

Stop spreading ridiculous capitalist bullshit lies.

Except the United States is the only developed nation in the world unable to provide universal healthcare to the public. You know full well that the reasons the right opposes these social frameworks is because they believe unions are bad, that a robust social safety net is bad and social programs of any kind are socialism and are bad. It’s what the right has been programmed to believe.

The thing is, there was a time, in the mid 20th century, where unionization was at its peak, corporations were taxed heavily and workers enjoyed greater pay and benefits. It’s considered one of the most prosperous economic periods in American history. Then Reagan cut the corporate and marginal income tax rates, fired the striking Air Traffic Controllers, privatized government assets and the rest is history (that is, manufacturing jobs and the middle class are history). We know a more social model can work in the U.S. The capitalists just won’t allow it. We’ve allowed them too much power now.

Not surprising that you are clueless of what anarchism is, either. Every anarcho-communist thinker stresses the importance of organization for the free society. Decentralized industry and organizations of mutual aid are what sustain the lives of all in the absence of capitalist bosses or government institutions. This is not antithetical to anarchism because organization on its own does not call for undemocratic and oppressive or exploitative relationships. Mutual aid organizations are the opposite. People are equals, and when we submit to the authority of anyone, such as a supervisor, scientific research, or a union representative, that process will be democratic and voluntarily accepted by those who acknowledge the “authority” or role someone possesses.

I don't hate you, nor was I harassing you. Just making a comment. You actually sound pretty well versed and educated.

Thank you, I am surprised you would actually give me credit for having a well thought out argument. I usually get harassment, ad hominem and strawmanning from people who don't agree with me both right and left. I know you don't usually agree with anyone one the right but I think that the right do make good points as well as the left. I think the right make good points of addressing how government taking away people's individual freedom can also badly affect people, strongly believe that one's individual freedom is important for one's well-being, O learned the never take my basic freedomof movement for granted again. One political commentator I'm a big fan of is Jimmy Dore, he is a progressive left-leaning individual but he also listens to what the right has to say too. He is very critical of the covid restrictions and the Biden administration. In this video he discusses how the lockdowns badly effected the working-class while benefitting billionaires: https://youtu.be/aGdxfQe1yNM

Jimmy Dore? Red flag, RED FLAG!

Being the anti-American, anti-capitalist that you are, of course your solution is socialism or possibly even communism. Sorry loser, but your solutions have been tried over and over, and either failed miserably, or resulted in dictatorships or at the very least, savagely oppressive regimes like the one we see in China today, the Chinese Communist Party.

I find it funny that "anti-American" and "anti-capitalist" are being used as insults, like that's a bad thing lol. I'm not against working Americans, but I am against the American elite responsible for our woes, and sending our families to die to protect their capital. I will always oppose the American government.

My solutions are not Leninist democratic centralism. Mine are anarcho-communism and syndicalism, which actually have worked out pretty well when implemented. The autonomist and libertarian forms of communism, seen in Mexico and Syria, are working out well too.

He is a sick-minded violent lunatic. He thinks it's OK to inflict violence on anyone who is right-wing and views anyone who "right-wing" as an "enemy". What is wrong with him? Deeming people as his "enemy" just for not having the same violent extremist politics as him, he is just trying to justify harming the innocent. I mean really? Being a petty shit to a person and acting like they are "harming others" for not having the same extremist beliefs as him? He is actually being what he accuses them of being. He has a deranged, immature, childish mindset and he needs to grow up and stop being such a horrible petty asshole.

You really just invented a person here, didn’t you? How do you come up with this from the two things I said to you? LOL

You just told what your actual political beliefs are, you openly call yourself an anarcho-communist, you openly hate anything right-wing, you openly said that anyone right-wing is "the enemy" and you are now denying the very things you admitted about yourself?

You suddenly equate that with being a violent lunatic. You’re just as bad as the libertarians, ancaps, and leftists that harass you! Wahhhh!!

I am aware he does admit to being an anarcho-communist but I didn't know he was guilty of an actual violent crime.

It wasn’t even remotely a violent crime.

Keep telling yourself that.