The concept of “sacrifice” has become totally alien to modern Trumplicans.

It takes a real man to attack a woman the way you attack Melania, Stanley.

CONSERVE-atives, "CAN", and someone holding a bunch of canned food... 👌

I know a few conservatives, some wear masks, some don't. Of those that don't, not one has said the reason is because they can't breathe with the mask on.

Meme rating: FAIL

what about the lady in VA that was going to bring ALL of her loaded guns to the grade school if her kids had to wear masks? Yes, let's allow her decide what kids should be learning in school.

You fall for everything, don't you Stanley? Damn, I wish I had some prime Florida bottom land to sell you. I do have a bridge though... prime location... U interested?

First of all, my statement was clearly anecdotal. Look it up. Oh hell, you don't know how to do that... it means based on personal experience. I do not know that woman.

Next, if you were unaware (ha! I can't stop laughing at using the word "if" to star that sentence!) guns were a big part of American culture as this country developed. Still are, of course, but in a different way. But as such, expressions that include concepts related to guns are quite common in the American version of the English language.

Parents get quite passionate when it comes to their kids, and when they're like that, they get a litel loose with the language. It would take a real moron to actually mean what she said. Maybe she is a moron... (see my previous comment about anecdotal, in case you can't comprehend what I'm getting at there...) And it takes only slight lesser morons to take what she said literally.

The bottom panel actually comes from this comic. Hah. I decided it was good for a different comparison.

Point being, both generations past and black Americans today have been asked to (and expected to, and made to) sacrifice far more than the trivial pandemic public health measures (masking, distancing, vaccinations, etc etc.) that RWNJs have soberly judged to be the greatest threat to their liberties ever.

And yes, there are idiotic anti-masker YouTube videos out there that claim face masks impair your breathing to an intolerable extent. You may not have seen them, but I have. The crazy thing is this is an experiment you can try at home and falsify yourself. Do face masks of any type impede your oxygen intake to the point of dizziness or faintness or passing out or suffocation or death?

I’ve tried this one at home, I won’t give away the answer

At least in dealing with you, KF, I'm dealing with an adult... someone who thinks like an adult, and expresses himself as an adult. Clearly we've disagreed on most issues, but at least a reasonably intelligent conversation can be had with you. Something that's not even possible with others in this thread.

This just gets down to a philosophical issue. You've got left wing snowflakes such as yourself, who have absolutely no problem turning over major aspects of your lives to the govt. What you call RWNJs (and yes, plenty of them are, but out of all the people you incorrectly lump into that group, more aren't) are a little less trusting of a govt that clearly does not deserve trust.

And not so amazingly, you use the whack jobs who make YouTube videos when it conveniently supports your position, yet somehow ignore the whack jobs who make YouTube videos when they don't support your position. In other words, you're not even handed with how you utilize whack jobs who make YouTube videos.

And no, I haven't seen the whack jobs who make YouTube videos against wearing masks because I literally do not care what they have to say. They have no impact on my life and whether I choose to be vaccinated, wear a mask, maintain social distance, not touch my face, avoid crowds, etc., etc. Those are my personal choices, and I don't believe anyone else should be able to make those choices for me. Others who don't care about their personal freedoms have clearly shown that they don't mind letting others make choices for them.

And just so you know, and idiots in this thread know, I'm vaxxed and boosted. And as usual since this pandemic started, I'm sitting here wearing a mask as I type this. All of that does not mean that I believe I should turn over my rights to a govt that clearly does not have anyone's interest other than their own as their primary motivation.

Besides, why am I still wearing this mask? Didn't your overlord, Dementia Joe promise to defeat this virus? I think you're a little soft with your criticism of him as compared to his predecessor... someone you would not let come even close to making a promise like that and failing, without seriously attacking him.

MAGA in theory nostalgically idolizes the America of the 1940s and 50s — indeed there were aspects of that time period worth admiring and other aspects that weren’t.

The New Deal and wartime economy were in many metrics far more “socialist” than what we have today. Massive public works programmes, sky-high progressive taxation, a tremendously unionized labor force, rationing and price controls, not to mention mass conscription and then the G.I. Bill which came afterwards — a huge public expenditure on the education of returning veterans. Public trust in science and progress were quite high. Mainstream media was universally trusted.

A large chunk of conservatives these days overall reject all of those whole-of-society kinds of things — which has cut against any effective pandemic response.

There were other aspects of the 40s-50s period that weren’t as admirable, like racism and Jim Crow, sexism and entrenched gender roles, international isolationism, chauvinism, the exposure of a huge segment of the population to asbestos and other harmful/carcinogenic substances because their effects on the body weren’t yet widely understood or such knowledge was in some cases deliberately suppressed.

From my perspective, MAGA doubles-down on all the bad aspects of that period and rejects all the good.

What changed in your average white American’s mindset between then and now? (And I say “average white American” because most white Americans these days vote Republican — and if they didn’t, the GOP would be nowhere, electorally speaking.)

It’s been theorized that the entry of black Americans and other minorities into mainstream American life caused white support for public works, welfare, unions, progressive taxation, etc. to fall through a crater. Minorities are perceived as the undeserving recipients of large-scale efforts to reduce inequality such as these.

We’ve all heard of “white flight” from urban centers to the suburbs, which gained steam in the 50s-60s, facilitated ironically by the interstate highway system itself an enormous taxpayer-funded project.

What we have been seeing in the trajectory of the GOP from Nixon through Reagan through Trump is a “white flight” from the idea of a shared America itself.

Trump has taken it to its farthest extreme, but Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” and Reagan’s anticommunist nationalism/“welfare queen”-bashing/Reaganomics (both of which produced massive success at the polls) were of the same mindset.

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"most white Americans these days vote Republican"

Most Republicans are 'White' Americans rather than most white Americans these days vote Republican... unless you're referring to the Red States...

I knew you couldn't do it.

Do what?

I think you're wrong that "most white Americans" vote republican. If that were the case, they'd be the dominant party. The US is still well over 50% white. It's math!

There are some things that govt can do better (just a few) than the private sector. The GI Bill is a good example. Nowadays we're seeing the opposite. Govt is in its own way so much, and is so inefficient that about the best it can do is either contract private companies to do what govt used to do (e.g. NASA & SpaceX) or just get out of the way. I like both options. btw, Trump signed the 'Forever GI Bill', which he'll get no credit for from the dems/media, just as he gets no credit from them for any of the good he did as POTUS.

I'm not sure that I agree with your statement about white support for public works, etc. Even you didn't say that's what you believe. You just said it's been theorized. I think the media has many convinced that there is white fear based on nothing more than race. But I grew up in the midwest, in a town (mostly white.) Although, it's a college town (Big 10) so we had plenty of diversity. I can tell you the average white person there has no fear of people based on their race. It's a dem/media construct, so don't buy into it.

Yes, the mainstream media was far more trusted back in the day; even as recently as when I was Punky_Elvis. Why? They had earned that trust. Now they've pissed it away. They lie to us because doing so will be good for one political party or ideology. I first noticed it in the 2016 debates. The potted plants came on after to tell us what we just heard (truly pablum for those with no attention span, nor any desire to have one) and when they lied about what Trump said, I realized they just lie and can't be trusted, period. Never again!

I think you under estimate the shift in the democrat party's core values and how that's helping republicans. The dems are alienating the working and middle classes, regardless of their race/ethnicity. It started with Reagan and the 'blue dog' democrats, and Trump just built on it. Working/middle class values now align more closely with republicans. People are tired of the 'elites' enforcing groupthink and being told not just that they're wrong, but they're bad human beings for believing what they believe.

So when Trump comes along and says things that people have been feeling, they're drawn to that, particularly when the media lies to them about it. That's where MAGA and Trump have gained the most support, imo.