The real meme

They can make mandates but people will resist and challenge the misuse of power.

Vaccines have been mandatory in every American state for as long as everyone has been alive. You got them, too.

Always have, my kids, too. However, the modified RNA shots had not been tested to extent traditional vaccines have been historically tested. Now the efficacy of the vaccines are proving to be much less than projected, which would have been discovered had tradition testing been done. There is genuine reason for concern.

They are the most tested vaccines in human history.

The reason for concern is that MRNA vaccines are new. Longer testing wouldn’t reveal that the vaccine is less effective on variants. They’re still just as effective on the alpha strain. New vaccines specifically made for the variants will also be effective.

The lack of transparency around these vaccines is also very disconcerting. Pfeiser askimg all data to be sealed for 75 years - even after being given immunity? That is a move conspiracies are made from.

Actually, Pfizer is NOT asking for data to be sealed for 75 years. They just wanted to release the 450,000 pages of documents 500 pages per month. A judge has scrapped that plan, ordering it to be released within 8 months.

Wrong lmao

Right lmao. Look up how many shots you get before you're 18. Your parents control that not you. You were a kid.

Not a vaccine if it doesn't work. And wrong, you always have a choice. My wife was never vaccinated. I was. Doesn't matter. Tis a trap this vax!-

Does that mean all the flu vaccines aren’t real, since they don’t work on all the variants?

Even the ones that do work are only 14% effective over not getting vaccinated. Vaccines are just a cash cow for big pharma.

14% eh? What year? What part of the world? The effectiveness varies depending on the vaccine distributed and the dominant strain.

2019 Flu shot US. Source: CDC statistics. Look it up.

How about more comprehensive stats from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/past-seasons-estimates.html

Look up the 2019 efficacy page. They like to hide things in their reports. They'll say x% got the flu while vaccinated, not telling you that the difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed was only 14% or whatever.

Looking at 2019 they say 39% effective, but they fail to tell you that only 43% of unvaccinated got the flu that year

And you got the 43% stat from where?

From the other page that shows 2019 only. You have to do a little research to find these things.

Sorry, I don’t see a page that shows 2019 only.

Yeah, you may have to look for it. Maybe do a search.

The topic is Covid and the Vaccine for Covid not the Flu and Flu vaccines.

But I'll answer you. No ones saying flu vaccines aren’t real, no one I've seen is saying that.

Zacrates is trying to claim that, in order for a shot to be a vaccine, it needs to always work. I’m just pointing out the fact that such a belief is flawed and I use the flu vaccine as an example.

What's the point of taking a vaccine if it doesn't work?

The flaw is taking a vaccine that doesn't work. You have no idea what is in the vaccine, there were no real trials or studies. Pfizer and Moderna tried to keep the side effects a secret from the public.
They are the only ones that have full immunity.

Everyone who took the vaccine is a Guinea pig. Those Guinea pigs demand everyone else be a Guinea pig. The politicians who were elected by the people to serve the people want to mandate the people to become Guinea pigs.

The vaccine DOES work - on the alpha strain that it was developed for. Are you complaining that they didn’t come out with a new vax when Delta appeared and yet another one when Omicron made the rounds?
Then you make the false statement that there were no real no real trials or studies. What do you think they were doing most of 2020? And the side effects . . . You mean the effects from contracting the disease? You completely ignore the fact that people with Covid have far more cases and severity of blood clots than those who may have got them from the vax. It was the J&J vax (not Pfizer and Moderna) that they found had a risk of clots. They also found that the risk was much higher if you were unvaccinated. You are just a wealth of misinformation. 😂

FYI, I think mandates are wrong and people shouldn’t lose their job because of it. I just wonder why you’re so insecure that you spew false info. Do you actually believe the BS you’re making up or parroting from anti-Vader’s? Or is it because it makes you feel better about your choice? I don’t care if you don’t get vaxed. Just make sure you’re doing it for the right reasons instead of false information and scare tactics.

The vaccine DOES NOT work on any strain. If it worked explain the Covid outbreaks on cruise ships that didn't allow passengers or crews aboard unless they were vaccinated. Explain how vaxxed people contracted Covid and list the strain they contracted.
The information is on the CDC Website.
I already know the answers, i did my research, unlike you.

Show me where I'm complaining that they didn’t come out with a new vax when Delta appeared and yet another one when Omicron made the rounds?

You're saying I'm complaining when I clearly am not. Pitiful attempt to spread misinformation.

You're making false statements. How could they have been doing trials and studies in 2020 when they didn't have a vaccine until late 2020.

Oct 7th Pence/Kamala debate topic was about the vaccines.
Pence acknowledged the vaccines were still in development, prompting Kamala to say she would not take the vaccine because Trump said the vaccines would work, she would only take the vaccine if the FDA approved the vaccine.

December 11 2020 the FDA authorized EUA approval for the emergency use of the Phizer-Biotech covid vaccine.
Bi-passing the
Exploratory stage with often lasts 2-4
Pre-clinical stage,which often lasts 1-2 years
The Clinical development stage which has three phases.
Phase 1; Small trial group.
Phase 2: Expanded trial group..
Phase 3: A vaccine is trialed on thousands to determine it's efficacy.
Then went through the regulatory review, regulatory approval, manufacturing and quality control.

Show me these trials and studies that takes years to complete. You can't...The trials and studies were bi-passed for emergency use. EUA approval

The topic is Covid vaccines.
You said side effects which should have been about side effects from vaccines and then changed the topic to effects of the disease. Not the topic.

I'm not insecure, that would be you... spewing false information you didn't bother to check.
I did my research.
You didn't bother researching anything.
You actually believe the BS you are spewing and are parroting pro-vax information you were told.
I feel better knowing everyone has a choice, which is why i don't provide false information like you did.
You should really do research instead of spreading false information and using scare tactics to coerce people into taking a vaccine that doesn't work, and were never trialed or studied.
EUA approval.

“explain the Covid outbreaks on cruise ships that didn't allow passengers or crews aboard unless they were vaccinated. Explain how vaxxed people contracted Covid and list the strain they contracted. The information is on the CDC Website.
I already know the answers, i did my research, unlike you.”
If you did research you would know about breakthrough cases and that vaccines are not 100% effective. Doesn’t mean they “don’t work”.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

“Show me where I'm complaining that they didn’t come out with a new vax when Delta appeared and yet another one when Omicron made the rounds?”
Show me where I accused you. It was a question - see the question mark at the end of the sentence?

“How could they have been doing trials and studies in 2020 when they didn't have a vaccine until late 2020.”
They didn’t RELEASE the vaccine until late 2020. I thought you said you did research but you clearly haven’t.

“Show me these trials and studies that takes years to complete.”
https://myhealth.ucsd.edu/Coronavirus/134,263.

“You said side effects which should have been about side effects from vaccines and then changed the topic to effects of the disease. Not the topic.”
What do you think the vax is for? The disease is clearly on topic. You’re just trying to dodge facts you ignore.

“I'm not insecure, that would be you... spewing false information you didn't bother to check. I did my research. You didn't bother researching anything.”
And yet I can cite sources to back up my claims. Where are yours?

“You actually believe the BS you are spewing and are parroting pro-vax information you were told.”
Oh, so the CDC is a source of pro-vax BS? Then why did you claim to know the answer and say the info is on the CDC site?

“I feel better knowing everyone has a choice, which is why i don't provide false information like you did.”
And yet you can’t show me where anything I’ve said is false.

Please show us the source of all the research you’ve done.

The covid vax isnt the same as the old vaxs. This whole thing is just lobbyists for pfizer etc paying off our corrupt politicians to create a situation where they can make trillions. It should be treated as any flu, there is no way to get it to 0% we are stuck with it. We should be getting pissed at fauci and the nih and friends for creating and releasing the virus. But they have us yelling at each other about it.

Yes, the mRNA vaccines are not the same as old vaccines. But they do the same thing - cause you to make antibodies. We don’t know how the virus originated and blaming Fauci is just a conspiracy theory. Big pharma doesn’t need a pandemic to make money. They did quite well without it. We like to have a villain to place blame but, in reality, nobody saw this coming. Nobody knows how or if it will end. Fauci isn’t all knowing and he’s trying to figure things out like the rest of the world is. He’s just the figurehead we see in the news so we have someone to blame with things don’t go right.

Dude look at the gain of function research that fauci snuck through in 2017. The timing 😂

Also the antivaxxer hate also in 2017 and 2018. Why did that all of a sudden become a thing hmmmm. It's too obvious. Also Fauci and the mrna failed with zika in 2018 so they needed to pay off all the wasted research somehow. Just like with Zika natural immunity was better than this junk science.

More conspiracy theory? Come back when you have actual proof.

Making antibodies is the most nonscientific mumbo jumbo bs they've ever sold. When you have an autoimmune disease it's because of antibodies so clearly flooding the body with random antibodies is not a measure of validation. I mean if you were poisoned you'd make antibodies. Sad how quick you are to repeat what you've heard on the news without exercising your own logic before the acceptance of data as useful information, nah just parrot it to support your ideological set.

Sad how quick you are to assume I get my information from the news. Even the MSM isn’t as misinformed as you are. Autoimmune diseases are “because of antibodies?” LOL what grade school did you flunk out of? It’s like saying acne is because of white blood cells.
Are you suggesting vaccines “flood the body with random antibodies?” I don’t know where you get your info from but it’s far worse than anything in the news. 😂

lmao you do realize autoantibodies are antibodies that attack vital parts of the bodies. That is autoimmune disease. Sorry but they don't teach that in grade school and you clearly are a fool to try and school me on something you know nothing about.

And yes the booster is random antibodies. We are still using the same MRNA from how many variants ago?

Here let me dumb it down for you. Imagine you have some old antivirus that doesn't work for the virus on your computer so you download 2 more but don't update the program. Not only will you not stop the virus but you will crash your system. It's not rocket science. Now go bang some rocks together and try to pwn me some more kid.

LOL
Antibodies are just part of your autoimmune system. Limiting them won’t prevent autoimmune diseases. Booster shots of the same vaccine don’t produce random antibodies. They just trigger your immune system to produce more of the same antibodies which may be less effective or ineffective on variants. If you don’t believe me, look up how vaccines work on the CDC website
- cue the CDC conspiracy theory reply 😂

I say grade school because it’s obvious you’re still in it or you flunked out - which is probably why you’re so gullible with anti-vax rhetoric. If you can’t find the article on the CDC website, ask an adult.

Limiting useless antibodies may indeed prevent autoimmune diseases.

Someone with a working brain may theorize that making the messenger rna part of the process in infection instead of merely the detector may induce the immune system to see it as an enemy and therefor cause immunodecifiency or worse make the body attack the thing that is meant to be a protector. But expecting you to postulate on scientific things instead of regurgitating shit you've been fed by the cdc or media is pointless I'm sure.

But keep posting me layman definitions and keep labeling me a conspiracy theorist or a high schooler to make your own lacking intelligence, due to conformity of thought, from being apparent to your own awareness.

Every year, people get flu shots, we get shots for all kinds of other things too. If vaccines are fake then why have people been getting them, and the immunity that comes with them, for DECADES.

Whoopedy doo for twenty years we've been wasting our health with the useless flu vaccine. How has the flu been since? Oh yeah we got bird flu and mers and now covid. Pointless shit and every idiot that gets it seems weaker for it.

Vaccines aren't fake. Flu vaccines are. They are a mostly new creation and it's almost insanely convenient how the flu keeps getting worse and creating a need for a vaccine that doesn't work and how all the media goes with this narrative without question, and the idiot mob follows.

Wrong. All states in America have always had vaccine mandates. To the point that the new anti vaccine thing is just silly. You got mandated vaccines already.

I don't think you have a clue. Some states school policy requires vaccines. Let's pretend that means all states mandate all vaccines or that smallpox or measles is equal in relevance to everyone as covid is.

Every single one of the 50 United States of America has had mandated vaccines dating back longer than everyone has been alive.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/08/states-have-mandated-vaccinations-since-long-before-covid-19/

Every single state mandates vaccines. And Covid is more deadly than everything you already got a mandated vaccine for. So if you are anti Covid vaccine, you will hopefully die from it, because you don’t have the sense it takes to live. Polio killed like 55,000 people in its worst year. Covid killed more people in one year than polio did EVER. So unless you’re going to protest the polio vaccine, you are just making up facts and have never even googled it.

Disingenous. All states have some vaccines required for public students. So yes all states have vaccine mandates specific to school. Not to businesses or the general public and not all vaccines everywhere.

You do realize we've doubled our population in thirty years so pretending counts matter as opposed to percentages of population is laughable. Also what other virus did they count dying with instead of, of? What other virus is statistically completely safe for those under thirty that we would mandate those people to get a vaccine, for, which the effects of the vaccine may be more numerous than the virus itself and therefore violating the moral precept of do no harm?

Look up how many people have died from covid. Then look up how many under 30. Then I need you to realize that people under 30 could spread it. Possibly to someone much older, or someone who has a weak immune system.

Yes, this is true. A lot of people are against the truth. I don’t know when, but our society stopped caring about what was true sometime in the last 20-25 years. My guess is college is to blame. Because college writing requires student to use a cite for anything they say in their paper. But there is no requirement that the cite has to be true or accurate. So the students are really only learning how to pretend their false opinion is true. Or how to make themselves truly believe anything their mind is capable of making up as long as they can point to an example of someone else making up the same thing.

Someone who probably has the vaccine lol you are useless.

If you keep spreading propaganda about how the vaccine is fake then older people or people with weak immune systems won't get vaccinated. And then they will die. Lol you are uninformed and possibly a killer of many peoples grandma's.

I have never said that older people shouldn't get it and not all negative information about the vaccine is propaganda. The fact that you allow for no questions but think you are on the good side is insane. People have the right to hear from all voices and if they make the wrong decision at least they had one. We are free to make the wrong choices. That is how survival of the fittest remains inside of the confines of society.

But keep using hyperbole to support your tyrannical views. You are definitely the good guy for supporting tyranny in the name of saving the old from mother nature and the evils of choice.

Tyranny? That's a strong word coming from someone like you. I am not forcing you to get the vaccine, but don't bitch about it when someone tells you to wear a mask.

The US Population is 2.05 more than it was in 1952 when 3,145 people died of polio. That was the worst year for polio. It was actually about 55,000 cases with 3,145 deaths. Plus 21,000 paralyzations. So let’s just say 24,145 deaths. If we multiply 24,145 x 2.05 we get 49,497.25. Covid killed 405,769 people in the US in 2021.

405,769 divided by 49,497.25 is 8.19. That means, adjusted for the increase in population, Covid-19 is 8.19 times more deadly than Polio. The Polio vaccine has caused more injuries than the Covid vaccine. You are just another stupid internet moron that is just making up any story that fits what you choose to believe in. You are wrong. Nothing you think changes that. I am not giving you my opinion on anything, except for my opinion on your attachment to ignorant false beliefs. The statements on Covid are facts that I didn’t choose to make an opinion on. I just chose to read the numbers and do my own basic math. Because I am not so lazy to rely on the fake news to tell me what to believe.

Covid killed about 5% of that. You can only count deaths directly caused by covid and covid symptoms like fluid in the lungs and myocarditis.

No way. I saw more people die of Covid than anything else. And they all died OF Covid. Not WITH Covid. I also saw more people in the ICU with Covid than anything else. You’re in a fantasy land. Covid is killing more people than anything you got a mandated vaccine for ever did. If they were testing everyone for other things, with instant tests like we have now, there would be millions of people with no symptoms or mild symptoms—for every disease. True natural immunity exists. Millions of people can’t get infected with any given disease. That’s just nature. It’s nothing new. The only reason we’re seeing this is because billions of tests have been administered.

"Covid is killing more people than anything you got a mandated vaccine for" and that is why YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET VACCINATED AND WEAR A MASK.

Personal experiences are not a valid scientific way to count cases.
You gotta understand that doctors that put 'covid' as the cause of death are getting tons of money for themselves and their hospitals. Most doctors have been desensitized to emotional empathy to others by being constantly exposed to death and disability from their patients.
If you did some research you'd know they will put 'covid' on the certificate every time.

Denying facts proven by the science of every major medical institution on an entire planet, is not a valid scientific way to draw your own conclusions. I don’t trust doctors at all. Trust me. You trust doctors more than I do. But Covid is real. You have to believe that every single government and private institution on the entire planet earth are all in on a big conspiracy. They’re all in it together, just to make doctors money by falsifying death certificates. Even though the doctors all over the rest of the world are not making money to do it, too. Your mind is fixated on your location, not the whole world, where those rules don’t even apply. If the world were that corrupted. We’d already have a single planetary government, with peace on earth for all communist employees of the planetary alliance. With the rest of us enslaved and imprisoned. That is a silly fiction movie. But for you to be right, that would have to be true. It’s not, it sounds like a joke. Because that’s what it is. Trust me, I’ll be one of the first people that disappears before we’re halfway there. I’m still typing this, so its not happening. The whole world is not making it up so you get a vaccine that doesn’t work.

Not many are saying covid isn't real. But to pretend that the medical industry isn't a cartel steeped in peer reviewed nonsense is sad. Diabetes is reversible and cancer is preventable but they cannot say that because the only solution to sickness is fda approved solutions that involve a product they must sell you. Along every step in covid it was about the vaccine before, during and after its vaccine first, reason never. Look at omicron. What's the solution? Get vaccinated with the stale vaccine from endless variants ago. Remember how bad the Spanish flu was. No vaccine. Ended in two years. Wonder why. Asiatic flu was ending just as the vaccine was produced, what could have happened if it was released earlier?

I firmly believe in empiricism. There is no reason for healthy people to get the vaccine. You would say it's to protect the sick but that is a perverted view of health in my eyes. Risking a healthy person to save a vulnerable person is sickness. It's cancerous to nature's laws. First do no harm is gone and sell the vaccine to everyone without question or nuance is clearly the order of the day and you are such a good follower.

In Japan the people have the longest lives on earth. They eat fried foods every single day. They eat meat, fat, dairy, everything. They rarely eat sushi. But they do eat a lot of fish. They drink alcohol every day. And more people smoke cigarettes than in the US. They also eat 2-3x more salt every day than Americans. They drink less water. They almost never eat chicken or lean meats. They eat fattier pork than we have in the US. In fact, all meats are fattier there than what we have in the US. The only things they don’t usually eat is cookies, candy, ice cream and sweets. When they do eat sweets, the portions are tiny. They also do not eat much bread. And they do not eat any prepared foods or preserved foods or high starch foods. They eat small portions of rice, usually a serving is the size of a baseball. If they live the longest, there is a reason. It’s because they never fell for the low fat diet.

Well, all you have to do is eat fat cholesterol and protein, instead of sugar and processed starches and you’re good to go. That’s only partly the doctors’ fault, it’s the USDA’s fault for using a fraudulent study to create the low fat diet. The low fat diet comes from what used to be the tobacco companies, but which now are the major food conglomerates. Don’t get me started on the deadly low fat diet. Because that was the biggest disinformation the US government ever perpetrated. Worse than Covid. Worse than smallpox. Worse than the civil war.

The vsccine isn't free they make 19 dollars a pop. That's insane amounts of money. Surprisingly their profits haven't changed lol. Reinvestment and bonuses galore.

The vaccine is free. They aren't "selling" anything. They are researching and giving so we, the people, not the consumer, can Live better lives.

Hahahah ok. The worst pandemic ever I have never met anyone who either died or was committed to icu because of covid.

Well of course you haven't met anyone that's died because of covid. They're dead!

Small pox is not a mandated vaccine. So ha ha, the jokes on you. You already got about 11 vaccines for everything else, but not smallpox.

Was that a joke up there about "the deadly low fat diet"? am I gonna die?

No. Dead serious. Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, Cancer and Heart Disease all skyrocketed when the USDA made the low fat diet pyramid the American dietary standard. That pyramid was based on a now proven as fraud study, paid for by the sugar industry. Today, the USDA considers dietary cholesterol something you can eat without any restrictions, because there was never any scientific evidence that indicated eating cholesterol could be harmful to human health. Science has also proven that LDL cholesterol is not an indicator of any risk for health problems. Instead, VLDL (very low density lipoprotein) cholesterol is the only indicator of possible negative health effects. If you eat a diet without restricting fat (except artificial fats, like man made trans fats) you will always have a tiny VLDL level. Because saturated fat causes the cholesterol to become large particles, which are not harmful. Instead of small Very Low Density particles, which can be harmful. The problem is, and the reason you think this sounds crazy, is that for a good 60 or so years, everyone said fat was bad. That was never based on any science. It all came from one single fraudulent study. But since the USDA made the standard based on that fraudulent study the made up danger from fat became the standard.

Trust me, you walk into a room of people in their mid 50’s to their mid 60’s you will see fat, unhealthy people suffering from all the dangers of the high carb diet. When someone in their 40’s or younger or 70’s or older walks in the room, it becomes obvious. The people who were brought up on the low fat diet are the most obese and the least healthy. And they’ll tell you, eat less fat. But never realize that’s why they’re all suffering.

If you read this to a doctor or surgeon and they laugh. It means your the patient they prescribed the low fat diet for.

Damn I mean I am old but not that old.

Everyone in america who wasn’t home schooled got mandatory vaccines. Smallpox is not mandated. The things that were mandated are less dangerous than Covid.

That's how many people over a span of ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS. Covid has been around for three.

120÷3=30. 30÷10=3. So, 300m÷3=1m÷10=100,000.

Over a span of three years, covid is fifty times deadlier.

Five million deaths from covid.

Well according to the morons, every nation on earth is just perpetrating a fraud on the world so American doctors can file false death certificates and make lots of money from them. Even though American doctors make more money off of NONCOVID patients who won’t go near a hospital with a pandemic going on.

What is this math you are doing lol. Get a calculator. Is 1 times 3 equal 300 hahahah.

300 million divided by 120 equals 2.5 million. Deaths from covid according to the bs numbers is around 2.6 million a year. The thing is only one of the vaccine actually works, only one of these diseases are clear causes of death and only one of these were the deaths counted from and not with.

Now smallpox killed kids, covid doesn't. Pretending they need the vaccine to survive is wrong. Forcing them to take the vaccine to save others is also wrong.

Ha my math is so bad. Welp. But I still disagree with everything you said.

Also, if 2.6 million people are dying a year from covid, why not help them not do that? Why not at least TRY to help people. I don't care what you believe, but if it is real, and no one is vaccinated, more people will die.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-deadly-polio-epidemic-and-why-it-matters-for-coronavirus

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/dave-helling/article253422239.html

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-verify/more-covid-19-deaths-in-the-us-in-2021-than-in-2020/536-a4cfb1be-648b-41a7-8b64-6600131234d3

I will admit that my number 55,000 for the worst year for polio was wrong. It was 55,000 cases 3,145 deaths and 21,000 paralyzations.

https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/BIDEN/zgpombrajpd/

You are stupid. Every state has mandated vaccines.

Religious exemptions exist

You cannot attend private or public schools without vaccines.

Heck, conscientious exemptions exist. It wasn't a mandate. It was a school policy.