If there's enough hospital beds and supplies, everybody's going to get a nurse and a ventilator if they need one, 98% without vaccinations.
Without access to doctors, nurses, hospital beds, or supplies, that drops down to 85% or sometimes even lower. That's a difference of about 45 million Americans whose lives are saved just by using basic precautions.
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98% survival rate…I’ll continue to take my chances. It’s not like I hang around with a bunch of mudbloods anyway telling me it’s not my body my choice
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... WHEN there's enough space at the hospital. Y'all keep skipping that part.
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And the survival rate is still 97-98%, regardless
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.... WHEN there's enough space at the hospital. There's that skipping again.
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How many have had it and never stepped foot in a hospital? You seem to think it’s a mandatory icu visit
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Well, the survival rate tanks below 85% when the icus aren't available. Putting 45 million American lives at stake. That pretty much speaks for itself right there.
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All that says is BULLSHIT
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And yet the survival rate still tanks when the icus aren't available.
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15% fatality….You really think that it’s that deadly? Seeing how you think it is that deadly, maybe you should get a shot every two weeks. It’s obvious you are just working out of fear.
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That's roughly 45 million American lives gone if we ignore all public health protocols and jam the medical system.
By comparison, 9/11 killed 3,000. So, yeah, that's pretty f**king deadly.
There's always enough space at hospitals. They always run at capacity so they can make the most profit. When they run over they release the less risky back to home care. It helps if you know how the hospitals work.
You're right, there are rare side effects from vaccination. But the lingering effects of getting the actual disease can be much more serious, even for people who make it through without hospitalization.
Including . . .
"permanent damage to the heart. . . . lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. . . .increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future. . . .long-lasting damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems. . . .strokes, seizures, and Guillain-Barré syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis.
COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson’s disease and Alzheimer’s disease.
Other potential long-term effects of the virus include blood clots, which can lead to heart attacks and strokes. . ."
Actually there are more side effects from the vaccine than from covid. The reason for this is the vaccine causes the body to generate the most dangerous part of the virus which is the spike. The vaccines on top of the spike have chemicals in them that people can have reactions to.
Literally the only people at risk of covid are those that have 3+ comorbidities.
Actually, the data does not support your statement. All the research seems to indicate much more serious effects from the disease -- as laid out in the citation in my post you responded to.
That articles references the CDC as the source for some of its data. This means they are using the CDC's definition of 'vaccinated' meaning 14 days after the final dose of the covid shot.
Most side effects in vaccines happen in the first 14 days after receiving a shot. So they are discounting all side effects before the end of the 14 days.
A quote from the article: "But these conditions have produced mild cases, with no deaths or lingering issues reported." Sorry but that's a flat out lie lots of people have died from the myocarditis from the vaccine.
I'm not sure where they are getting their numbers, but VAERS reports massive numbers of side effects from the covid shot, I understand that some of those are entered by non-doctors, but the law requires all vaccine side effects to be reported to VAERS by doctors, so at least a portion of those are legitimate. Unfortunately you can't search by who put in the report.
At best this article is misleading.
Okay, I know I've said this a dozen times to different people, but VAERS doesn't report just vaccine side effects, it reports ALL the stuff that happened in the window after the shot. So, imagine 2 million people in that window. Some of them have kidney failure, some of them catch colds, some of them have heart attacks -- many of them, if those 2 million people don't include anyone under age 12, and do include a lot of older people. But you can't label all of those colds, kidney failure and heart attacks as side effects of the shot. You'd have to find a similar demographic slice who had NOT had the shot and find out how many of those same "adverse events" had happened to them, then compare any differences in the data.
Yes it has. More people that are vaccinated than unvaccinated are showing up at hospitals for these things. No wait they aren't vaccinated until 14 days after all the side effects happen.
Actually, while they aren't counted as fully vaccinated for purposes of tracking breakthrough infections, the tracking for side effects begins the day of the first vaccination.
Honestly, where were you with your fear of vaccines when our parents and grandparents were getting the genuinely risky Polio vaccine? You could have saved a few lives -- and contributed hugely to the wheelchair and iron lung industries.
Vaccines were made to save lives, and they do. And not just lives. When's the last time you met someone who lost their hearing to childhood measles, someone permanently disabled by polio in a swimming pool, someone who had buried two out of five children from diphtheria and pertussis? You haven't, because of vaccines.
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Please read this article on polio first: https://realnewsaustralia.com/2019/02/27/the-real-history-of-polio-20-things-you-didnt-know/