And the winner of the Darwin Award is . . .

Do you never cease your disgusting lies?

Any more moronic strawmen you'd like to propose?

I see no reason to behave like your imbecilic "arguments" are worth taking seriously.

So why you crying like a bitch?

Oh, wait, never mind, it's Zaky!

Yeah, black people have shot people too. But you never want to talk about that.

OM & SD- two of the Darwin Awards honorary members . . .

I don't think I've ever been nominated, but thanks for thinking of me!

Imma bet that there are far more anti-vaccine folks deserving of such a nomination.

No.

We are lining our kids up for something that might kill them to protect them from something else that might kill them. Kids have died from COVID, though the rate is on par with the flu.

https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true

The cost/benefit is definitely tighter with the vaccine. However, given the side effects that can come from COVID vs the ones from the vaccine, the vaccine is makes sense. Not as much sense as it does for adults, but the math still works.

"Funny. But I'd be willing to bet a pretty penny that when studies are available 10 years out, you'll call them lies."

What's REALLY funny by this exchange, however, is that you think YOU are the one 'following the science', while I am the one that wants to actually see the science through. Long term studies vs real time experiments on major portions of the population . . . actual science vs Frankenstein's monster.

But assuage your guilty conscience with the notion that sometime in the future I will finally disregard the long term studies when they exist.

This tactic is too often used to be effective anymore. You say "we need to wait" when you really mean 'no'. The same thing gets pulled on climate policies and other reforms. You try to avoid the argument by shelving it until a later date...a later date that will never come.

//SARCASM//
You know, there are so many conflicting studies on whether immigrants are good or bad for our economy. I think we just need to stop intercepting immigrants until we can complete a 10 year study on whether open borders are a good idea. #science

Once you factor out all of the false diagnosis for Covid deaths, it doesn't even make sense for the adults. It most certainly makes zero sense for the kids, given the extremely low rate of serious infection and side effects from the actual virus.

That's just reality, your misunderstanding of the stats notwithstanding.

Who to trust...some guy on a meme site, or case studies done in multiple nations... It's a tough one.

"Who to trust...some guy on a meme site, or case studies done in multiple nations."

I wouldn't recommend you trust either. It's WAY past time for you to need to learn to think for yourself. The appeal to authority is just lazy, relegating the hard work of analysis and fact finding to someone else, who allegedly is smarter and knows more than you.

How ANYONE could have lived through the constant chaos that came from, and continues to come from, the "experts" and still trust them is beyond belief.

An appeal to authority can be a logical fallacy, however, there are expert opinions and it is equally illogical to ignore such expertise. The key is to evaluate sources and track their accuracy. So the conspiracy minded folks sometimes get one right, but they fire out so many guesses it seems like an accident.

It hasn't been chaos for me. That's the thing, you anti-every-thing people have latched onto changing theories. Gone by Easter...Summer...spring...rounding the bend....it'll be gone...just the flu...gone by election day. I bet for you guys it has been chaotic, because you keep jumping from theory to theory.

But the reason we mostly trust Fauci is this: Despite the "flip flop" you guys try to saddle him with for reporting new information and the fact that something we thought we knew was wrong, he has been right. When he has said something that he wasn't sure of, he admits it, when things change, he reports it. Science isn't religion: it isn't supposed to know the answers, its supposed to find them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/29/823517467/fauci-estimates-that-100-000-to-200-000-americans-could-die-from-the-coronavirus

Fauci said the 100,000-to-200,000 death figure is a middle-of-the-road estimate, much lower than worse-case-scenario predictions.

He said preparing for 1 million to 2 million Americans to die from the coronavirus is "almost certainly off the chart," adding: "Now it's not impossible, but very, very unlikely."

However, Fauci cautioned people not to put too much emphasis on predictions, noting that "it's such a moving target that you could so easily be wrong and mislead people."

So models were in the range of a few hundred thousand to a few million.

"But the reason we mostly trust Fauci is this: Despite the "flip flop" you guys try to saddle him with for reporting new information and the fact that something we thought we knew was wrong, he has been right. When he has said something that he wasn't sure of, he admits it, when things change, he reports it. Science isn't religion: it isn't supposed to know the answers, its supposed to find them."

I cannot believe how gullible liberals are. We should trust Fauxci, the man who was behind funding the gain of function research that led to all of this? I think you're a little crazy, and perhaps a little in love with that evil little man.

But I do love how liberals think that pointing to a constantly changing narrative is somehow scientific. There are many things established by science. The ones that are not are the ones that do not fit the prevailing narrative, and the ONLY reason they constantly change their minds is that today's narratives are disproved by tomorrow's scientific discoveries. A wise person might conclude that it is time to admit defeat, but no, they insist that some things MUST be true, so they create a new theory to continue to prop up the old narrative.

This is true in this instance.
This is true when it comes to the theory of evolution.
This is true with the theories of the age of the universe, and the material therein.

I appreciate you sending me the government approved links.

Now, please send me the links to the 10 year clinical studies regarding the long term side effects on children who have been given one of these vaccines.

Funny. But I'd be willing to bet a pretty penny that when studies are available 10 years out, you'll call them lies.

But, you also don't have access to any information on the long term effects of COVID. We can only use the information we have, and what we have is pretty clear.

"because I predicted you wouldn't trust it "
"Don't try to gas light me"

Always guilty of that for which you are most guilty . . .

That's right, genius, there are NO long term studies, so your assertions that giving these to children when we KNOW that they are nearly immune as a group to the virus, while having NO IDEA what might happen from these vaccines, is the definition of insanity.

They aren't immune. They catch it at about half the rate, and have milder cases, but that isn't immunity.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/kids-are-half-as-likely-get-covid-19-as-adults-heres-what-we-know

If you don't want to vaccinate your kids cool.

We definitely have SOME IDEA, though unknowns remain. You look at only one side: why would the vaccine be any more likely to have long term side effects than the virus?

Speaking of nations, surely you have seen how some nations, most recent Taiwan, are stopping child vaccinations because of the risks?

Sort of. Though the Taiwan, Hong Kong, the UK, and a few other countries are suspending the second shot. This is because the myocarditis side effect, while rare, is more common with the second dose. I haven't looked at the math myself, but that's probably a good call. They are not suspending the first shot.

The CDC acknowledges the myocarditis but hasn't yet changed the guidance.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/children-teens.html

What is it going to cost Fauci if he's wrong? What is it going to cost pharmaceutical executives if they're wrong?

What is it going to cost *me* if they're wrong and I get this novel medical treatment?

Skin in the game is tremendously important.

We've got a vocal minority saying we are out of mortar range and taking cover is a bad idea. Meanwhile all the artillery people are taking cover. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm as paranoid as the next guy... But I'm also paranoid about the inconsistent and constantly shifting counter narratives.

"Funny. But I'd be willing to bet a pretty penny that when studies are available 10 years out, you'll call them lies."

Like I said, anything to prop up the narrative, including predicting the future.

You requested a 10 year study on something that is new. Don't try to gas light me because I predicted you wouldn't trust it any more than you trust the current studies.

"That is a lie"

THAT is a lie . . . and it's what you libs do best. You lie first to yourselves about all sorts of things, and then you lie to everyone else. Some of you manage to make full time careers with it, aka the Media, which I guess is a good idea- you get to do what you love most.

Covid is no threat to children. These not-vaccines, on the other hand? Those are potentially very, very dangerous for children. Frankly, if someone tried to give my kids one, I would consider it pretty nearly the same as trying to inject them with cyanide.

The covid vaccines are causing heart and neurological damage, and it seems to be worse for young people. You could have learned all of this if you weren't so devoted to your delusions.