The price of oil products is being made to go up to make expensive alternative fuels cost the same

electricity is 50 cents for 30 miles.

how much is gas?

if your car gets 6 miles per kw you need 5 kw to go 30 miles and each kw costs 10 cents so that's 50 cents.

30/6=5
5x.10=$0.50

An oversimplified calculation of a complex situation. Kilowatt hour cost varies significantly over time of day and geographical location. The residential average per kilowatt-hour currently ranges from 9.3 cents in Louisiana to 28.9 cents in Hawaii. The national average is 13.3 cents. In California, which leads the nation in electric car sales, the residential average cost per kilowatt hour is 20.1 cents.

Real world EV efficiencies very considerably: A study conducted by the AAA found that when the ambient temperature dips to or below 20°F and the vehicle’s heater is in use, the average electric car’s operating range drops by 41 percent. When the mercury hits 95°F and air conditioning is in use, an owner can expect the range to fall by an average of 17 percent. Was the cost of a home charging station factored into this calculation? An automobile engine can easily last over 200,000 miles, EV batteries about half of that. What’s the cost to replace the batteries?

worst case scenario, electricity is still cheaper than gas.

how much does it cost to replace a gas engine and transmission? $10,000

battery? $7,000.

how long is gas car warranty? 36,000 miles
ev? 100,000 miles

do you replace your gas engine every 36,000 miles?
you don't replace battery every 100,000 miles either.

conservatives lost the EV vs gas war, the civil war, the jan 6 war, the evolution vs creationism war.

Liberals lost the masculinity war, nancy.

did you ever have any?

solar power stored in batteries put conservatives out of work :)

Wrong again. Conservatives are the engineers who design and build EVs. Not much work for political science and liberal arts majors in batteries and renewable energy.😂

Good gosh.
Like Ol' Lawnmower Tom is tinkering away with the dozens of busted 80s cars on cinderblocks out front whipping up EVs....

welfare put leftists out of work :)

make fast food pay again :)

renewables can be stored in recyclable batteries for less pollution and cost than fossil and nuclear.

EVs cost less to own, operate and maintain than gasoline.

any evidence to the contrary? :)

According to caranddriver.com, the cost of ownership for EVs is higher than the gas powered equivalent of the same model.

Ever get tired of being wrong all the time? 😂

in responsible blue states energy is cleaner :)

Proof?
Crickets.

electricitymap.org

LOL, that site shows blue states like CA and NY produce more CO2 than red states 😂

Tumbleweeds are so thrifty when it comes to lighting up them big cities in Red States,,,

oh well, conservatives are great at being predictable consumer plebes :)

"and the peopleofwalmart site."

Oh snap, I had bumped into that some years ago, and forgot about it!

"stop mocking conservatives!" LOL

Who else would turn a stupid big store like Walmart into a 'culture' they devote FB pages to?

walmart culture, beany baby culture.

They are a little on the 'sensitive side'

But Beany Babies are a collector's thing, Walmart Culture - they actually call it that and take selfies of their shopping experience and the various oddities frequenting the place.

It's weird, I've never seen one as there's not enough room to build one around here!

and the peopleofwalmart site.

you're misinterpreting data silly.

if you were right tesla would be out of business like most of trump's companies :)

If I were right about what?

I’ve debunked all of your myths so now you’re trying to rationalize by claiming the success of Tesla proves you’re right? Nice try 😂

it does :)

😂 that explains your delusions. Let us know when you come back to reality.

EVs cost less to fuel than gas, you lose :)

socialism wins :)

you picked a junk article many incorrect assumptions and missing competitive models.
there is no maintenance cost for an EV. there's nothing to maintain. just tires.

https://insideevs.com/news/527165/study-evs-ownership-40percent-lower/

https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/energy/559971-finally-heres-the-exact-cost-of-owning-an-electric-car

https://www.google.com/search?q=ev+cost+of+ownership+comparison

https://i.imgflip.com/5r666x.jpg

From your own article
“ In the current market context, the study says hybrids are still the lowest-cost option for buyers (followed by ICE), but that EVs will reach cost parity with ICE vehicles in the near future - some have predicted that it will occur in 2027, in Europe at least, but it’s only an estimate right now.”

So in about 6 years, cost of ownership for EVs might come down to match that of ICEs. But not be less.

Nice try 😂

these studies focus on 3 years. since EVs (other than tesla) cost more than gas cars, there is a startup cost difference that hurts total cost and resale.

but if you keep the car for 5 or more years, the depreciation and purchase premium levels off and the lower maintenance and fueling costs favor EVs.

if you get a used EV the cost advantage occurs on day 1 :)

conservatives lose again :)

The depreciation rate for EVs far exceeds that of ICEs. When you factor in the cost to replace EV batteries when they’re no longer under warranty, the cost of ownership goes way up and the trade in value drops to nothing. Plus you have to factor in the cost of alternate transportation (or logging while you wait for you car to recharge) when you need to travel further than the max range for an EV. If you live in a cold climate, your max range goes down significantly from running the heater. In hot climates, the batteries don’t last as long and your overall range drops significantly. The point is, EVs are still impractical, in addition to being more expensive to own.

a gas engine and transmission can cost $10,000 each.

a battery is only $7,000.

most people commute under 40 miles a day :)

EV batteries are only expected to last 8 years or 100k miles and the max distance decreases with age.

Modern gas engines last 200k or more without a decrease in distance or mileage.

Diesel engines last even longer and get even better milage. In fact they last so long, milage isn't even taken into consideration when determining trade in values.

EVs depreciate much faster than gas or diesel.

Most people use their car for both daily commutes and long distance travel - unless they drive an EV. 😂

batteries can last a million miles with no degradation if you keep them charged no less than 20% full and no higher than 80% full.

that's a lot longer than a gas engine will last. And with ZERO maintenance costs the entire time :)

So, in order to keep them no less than 20% discharged, you have to reduce your milage 80%.
Gas engines last forever too, if you only run them a few miles a day 😂

many teslas have 200,000+ miles with no degradation.

https://www.google.com/search?q=teslas+have+200000+miles+with+no+degradation

Evidence? Crickets

what about AFTER 5000 mile break in?

are the reductions in gas power worth it?

do you trade your car every 5000 miles?

Like I said, you obviously don’t own a car and you have no idea what your talking about. Reduction in power of a gas engine over time is insignificant compared to an EV battery. 😂

what do you think diesel trains power their wheels with? direct mechanical connection from the diesel engine to the wheels? or through an electric motor like a prius?

Yup, and they use diesel as a fuel source instead of batteries. Take a guess why.

electric motors last much longer than gas engines. with zero maintenance.

The single most expensive component of an EV is its battery. It’s like comparing the longevity of a car’s fuel tank to a lithium battery. A gas fuel take can be “recharged” indefinitely, even if you drain it completely every time. An EV battery looses capacity with every charge.

that's only the warranty. how long is your gas car warranty? do you replace the engine when it's over?

Exactly, they have to have an 8 year/100k warranty to get people to pay so much more for an EV. Average EV owners drive half as many miles as other drivers. So that 8 years is gonna happen long before 100k.

Engines can be repaired and continue to run. You can’t take your EV battery in for a tuneup to get it back up to 100% capacity - you have to replace the whole battery. And the EV warranty only kicks in if your capacity goes below 70%. Most gas cars actually increase milage when they get older.

trains in the US use diesel to power electric motors because there isn't a 3,000 mile battery and they don't want to spend money putting up electric wires like they do in the rest of the 1st world where even freight trains are pure electric.

but the rest of the 1st world that uses electric trains does so because it's worth the up front cost for the long term savings.

america is just dumber because of short sighted conservatives.

You’re under the delusion that all electric power is clean energy. 😂

batteries are falling in price and more competitive for total cost of ownership and operation than gas now.

gas motors and fuel are only getting more expensive, ensuring their demise :)

Proof?
Crickets.

your math is wrong. 100-40=60% total range. most people drive under 40 miles a day so 60% of 300 is 180 miles that will last 1,000,000 miles with no maintenance.

but if you DO charge to 100% or let it go down to 0% for a few minutes until you start charging or start driving to discharge it, that's ok, TIME is the enemy. don't leave it parked like that.

so if you're going on a LONG trip, you can have full range of your battery with no issue :)

Did you miss the part about EV owners drive half as much? Half of 40 is 20. 20 x 365 = 7,300 x 8 = 58,400. So, by the time your warranty expires in 8 years, the average EV will be driven far less than 100k miles. And that’s being generous. A study of EV driver habits shows they’re driven only 5,300 miles a year.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35498794/ev-owners-low-mileage-study/

Queue the automatic “not a reliable source” response.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+power+do+gas+engines+lose+over+time

I know you don’t own an EV. Do you even own a real car? Your ignorance suggests you don’t 😂

so? people will exceed their 3 year warranty if they only drive a gas car 40 miles silly.

The warranty is only 3 years. The engine will last 200k miles or more.

"I know you don’t own an EV. Do you even own a real car? Your ignorance suggests you don’t 😂"

what difference does it make? i'm right and you're wrong.

you have no evidence to disprove anything I've said but I've shown evidence debunking everything you've said.

Like I said. You’re so ignorant you can’t even tell that your wrong. You live in a fantasy world and completely ignore science.

I, and many others, have disproven your myths over and over again and again. You’re just too obtuse to recognize it. 🤤

This f**kwit is just successfully trying to waste your time.

Oh, it’s not a wast of time. It’s kinda fun toying with an unintelligent animal like SSTTUUPPIIDD. Kinda like watching a cat chase a laser pointer. 😂

Hmmm. Have fun then!

Yea, I have to block him every once in a while so he doesn’t fill up my notifications. I’m done playing laser pointer for now so he’s being blocked again. 😂

:)

conservatives are mice silly.

trump lost :)

he'll never figure it out :)

you're wrong. he's quoting 34 and I'm quoting 25 (100/4).
His is on the wasteful side, mine is on the more efficient side.

either way, you're just siting random articles without knowing what you're talking about AND using wrong pricing BUT even his figures show electricity is way cheaper than gas :)

29 cents is not the going rate. 10 cents is.
EV rates are 5 cents.

hence, 50 cents for 30 miles.

conservatives lose again :)

this is only the beginning. solar socialism is going to take over arizona and other red states.

https://ieefa.org/arizona-utility-nearing-completion-of-major-solar-plus-storage-project/

Sure, some day storage *might* become economical. But the laws of physics are in fossil fuel’s favor since oil has the most dense energy capacity.

you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

battery storage and release during peak time is already cheaper than generation from any source.

why would you need more density in a utility scale battery?

is space at utility companies tight like in a car?

Gasoline, as an energy storage, has 34 megajoules per liter. A lithium-ion battery has an energy density of about 2 MJ/L.

Gasoline is 100 times more energy-dense than a battery. That means you would need 100 lbs of battery to go as far as 1 lb of gasoline can take you.

I know what I’m talking about. It’s YOU who doesn’t know. 😂

your gas tax chart proves only one thing.

that electricity for an EV costs less than the gas tax :)

It proves I know how much tax per gallon is - something you apparently don’t know.

The cost of driving an EV will increase even more as the government taxes us on miles driven, registration fees, charging station fees, etc.

But you don’t need to worry since you’ll never be able to afford an EV 😂

Gas cars also lose most of their value in the first 2 years. Many are leased. If you keep an EV 5+ years you ride out the resale loss from the higher initial price better than selling it after 2 years. And you only pay 50 cents to go 30 miles and have ZERO maintenance :)

Gas cars are going away whether conservatives like it or not :)

You keep saying it costs 50 cents to go 30 miles. The cost of electricity alone is more than that. In CA it more like $3 to go 30 miles.

A conventional car that spends most of its time parked by a charging station has zero maintenance too 😂

you don't have to buy a tesla. you can get a used leaf, bolt, niro, kona, etc.

they cost way less than a comparable used gas car to buy.

and there's no maintenance the fuel is super cheap :)

win win :)

They cost less because they’re worthless … er, worth less 😂

They’re worth less because they depreciate so much more than conventional cars. Thus, they are terrible investments that really do become worthless when that 90 day used car warranty expires and the useful range drops below 50 miles.

There’s no maintenance and fuel is cheap for a conventional car that you only drive 20 miles at a time. 😂

you just proved your point wrong. even if they add a few cents tax to EVs to match the gas tax, it will still be way lower to own one than a maintenance hog gas engine :)

a used EV is only $4,000

even you can afford that :)

I just proved my point? Thanks

A used EV is only $4k. Just proves my point that EVs don’t hold their value. 😂

teslas hold their value better than gas cars :)

gas cars are money pits :)

Teslas are the only EVs that don’t depreciate far faster than real cars. But they don’t hold their value better.

Only Tesla can repair Tesla’s. The repairs are very very expensive and can take a long time. There are a few independent garages working on Tesla’s, but only a few in only a couple of places. Because of this, when a Tesla gets in an accident, the expense of repairs leads insurance companies to ‘total’ the cars. Thus, insurance premiums eat into anything you might save on maintenance costs.

Like I said, you don’t even own a car and it shows by your ignorance.

then why are EVs more efficient and cost 50 cents to go 30 miles?

Gasoline tax to maintain the roads

how much do you think gas tax per gallon is?

somebody has to pay for anti-train trumpers to get to work.

The cost of electricity varies tremendously in the U.S. The residential average per kilowatt-hour currently ranges from 9.3 cents in Louisiana to 28.9 cents in Hawaii. The national average is 13.3 cents. In California, which leads the nation in electric car sales, the residential average cost per kilowatt hour is 20.1 cents.
Add on the cost of Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment: $200-$1,000+
Plus the cost of installation: $800-$1,300
That, so called, cheap energy isn’t so cheap after all.

34 kilowatt-hours to travel 100 miles?

you obviously don't have an EV or even a car most likely since you don't understand how to calculate costs.

most EVs get about 4 miles per KW. 3 if they waste power. 5 if they are smart. 6 if the car is really light/low range.

average kw cost is only 10 cents.

100 / 6 = 16.6 x $0.10 = $1.66 for 100 miles.
1.66x.30 = $0.49 cents for 30 miles rounded up to 50 cents.

@3 miles per kw it's still $1 per 30 miles.

if you have time of use metering or an EV rate, it's only 5 cents per kw, so right back down to 50 cents for 30 miles in the average big EV :)

how much is gas? :)

https://www.carshtuff.com/post/how-much-electricity-does-a-tesla-use

Your ignorance is too easy to debunk. 😂

do you have evidence EVs cost more to own, are less reliable? :)

Yes and I’ve already shown you.

worse case scenario EVs cost under $1 per gallon equivalent :)

EVs cost more to own, are less reliable and not any more environmentally friendly than modern gas and diesel cars.

You loose 😂

50 cents for 30 miles is a whole lot cheaper than $4 for 30 miles.

12,000 miles a year divided by 30:

400 "gallons" of electricity ($.50 each) is $200
(x $1 = $400 worst case)

400 x 4 = $1,600 in a gas car :)

conservatives lose :)

A Tesla takes about 34 kilowatt-hours to travel 100 miles. So 30 miles takes about 10.21 kw-h.

10.21 x $0.29 = $2.96 for 30 miles. Not 50 cents, silly

you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to economics.

but that's because you're a conservative :)

😂 this coming from someone who votes for politicians who raise taxes and inflation.

If you ever manage to make it past grade school, take a course in macro economics.

micro is gas prices.

macro is total cost of ownership and war.