May I just remind people that Ron DeSantis' Florida has the lowest amount of covid cases per capita than any lockdown states

True, but case rate is extremely low at the moment. Even if it gave the survivors antibodies, it looks like its only confirmed that about 17% of the population has had COVID. Thus, there are still plenty of potential carriers. Only time will tell if they jumped the gun in celebrating their rates.

As you point out that last spike was extremely high, and they are number 8 in the nation for deaths per capita. I'd be a little gun-shy myself.

Florida has the lowest mortality rate of elderly people, which is certainly more than I can say for Andrew Cuomo's New York where he allowed covid patients in nursing homes causing a very high amount of nursing home deaths. A lot of people think that lockdowns are needed for flattening the curve but in reality there is no correlation to lockdowns and the lowering of covid cases and the lockdowns also cause people to suffer from all sorts of other issues, mental health issues such as depression, domestic abuse, alcoholism, deaths from drug overdose and even youth suicides, all of those issues skyrocketed under the lockdowns. Here is a short video about the studies of lockdowns and the effects the lockdowns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2LmUYIEG-U

This isn't really flatten the curve though, as yolo just pointed out, we are at the end of a considerable spike. No curve involved.

Cute video. Its single source for lockdowns not working seems to be https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.604339/full

The article is looking at a ton of variables and fails to go into sufficient detail on methodology. Sorry, but lockdowns making no difference doesn't make sense based solely on how a virus is transmitted. Also, looking at New Zealand and Taiwan.

Mask effectiveness:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd9338

As for the other factors, suicide was actually down, Drug overdoses were up by about 30% - an increase from 70k to 93k. I don't think anyone would argue that lockdowns weren't harmful, that isn't the question. Its whether they were less harmful than not locking down.

I think the thing people miss is how much worse the death rate was in Italy at the beginning. The approximate 2% case fatality rate we've seen is with available hospital capacity. If we had blown through that and had people who needed ICUs and ventilators not getting them, the CFR would have gone up.

In the description of that video there are actually multiple sources of studies on lockdowns, so there isn't just one source that disputes the effectiveness of lockdowns. Also New Zealand which is a smaller nation on it's own landmass isn't the same as the U.S., Canada, and European nations which all share very large land masses, so comparing New Zealand to every other nation is sort of an apples to oranges argument.

Looking at the videos sources. most of them point out that the actual act of social distancing and the like is effective, but its unclear whether more draconian rules actually change behavior. Most say that the timing (locking down early) may be more important than how severe the restrictions are.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484 - this one is making the point that lockdown *orders* aren't effective, not the actual act of locking down. They aren't questioning whether the act of locking down works, they are questioning whether lockdown orders actually change behavior.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.11.20128520v1.full-text - this one similarly suggests that moderate as opposed to strict lockdowns might be as effective - though they really make the point that the actual act of social distancing, not the policies, saves lives.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext -> states it didn't reduce cases but "full lockdowns...and reduced country vulnerability to biological threats...were significantly associated with increased patient recovery rates.

https://fee.org/articles/3-studies-that-show-lockdowns-are-ineffective-at-slowing-covid-19/ -> this is just an article that cites other sources that the video already cites.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-opinion-coronavirus-europe-lockdown-excess-deaths-recession/ - similarly, they say its more about timing than strict lockdowns. They also said "What’s not clear yet is how much economic benefit countries with relatively lax curbs really stand to gain, given the integrated and trade-driven nature of the European economy.", which is an interesting point.

Ignore New Zealand if you want, but they had cases and managed to keep those people quarantined and not let it spread like us. Looking at cases per 1m population: Canada: 762, Mexico: 2,211, USA: 2,315.

I do not want to renown New Zealand or Australia as "model examples" because they inflict totalitarian police brutality on their people. Police state tyranny taking away everyone's livelihood arguably destroys everyone's lives a lot worse than the virus itself, people called for the police to be defunded after Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd but those same people seem to be in favor of police brutality when it comes to covid restrictions. I am very glad we don't have police state tyranny (at least not as much as Australia and NZ) and I have nothing but praise for Ron DeSantis for lowering covid cases without violating everyone's rights and taking away everyone's livelihood. I firmly believe ending the lockdowns saved people's lives because many people where dying of depression alcohol poisoning, drug overdose and even suicide, including my own uncle, he drank himself to death and died of kidney and liver failure because he couldn't take not seeing his family anymore.

What level of restrictions prevented your uncle from seeing his family? Even the most locked down states couldn't stop you from visiting family. Unless he was in a retirement home, in which case, why did they let him drink himself to death?

There have been some incidents, especially in Victoria, Australia, but not massive issues. Are you referring to the Babylon Bee article about police brutality in Australia? Because that was satirical.

You haven't heard? They their you in jail for protesting in Australia.

Speaking of curfew, in Quebec, Canada, they had an 8pm covid curfew in early 2021 and the police charged homeless people for "breaking curfew" and they even charged late-shift workers even though those workers had letters from the government stating that they had permission to work past the curfew.

"How many BLM protesters were arrested for breaking curfew?"

Zero as far as I know.

How many BLM protesters were arrested for breaking curfew?

Cuomo best. Many success. So low covid. Wow. Ignore much wave.
;P

"...in reality there is no correlation to lockdowns and the lowering of covid cases."

If me and my family are sitting in our house there is physically and scientifically no way for us to transmit covid to anyone else. The problem is, Biden nor any governors never really went full on communist dictator. Nobody actually forced anyone to "lockdown" and different states had different rules.

"Time will tell if they jumped the gun in celebrating their rates."

If you're not paying attention, time will not tell. Time is silent. The past (even if it literally just happened) doesn't necessarily say anything. That's why the OP meme "works".

Hypothetically, what would stop anyone from simply sleeping through the next record breaking wave of cases in Florida and then waking up in the aftermath to remind us how low the number of covid cases currently is?

Time has spoken.

To be fair the rest of America also recently had a massive wave but Florida might be the only state with 4 clear waves which seem to be getting consecutively higher like that..... Idk.

On the plus side the deaths to cases ratio seems to be comparatively low nationwide.