Captain Obvious

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Yes, everyone who decides they are not the gender they were born as and anyone creating “new” genders.

It is if they need a “new” gender or want to mark the opposite gender or is pathological dishonesty. Acceptance means treat people with dignity and respect. Not encourage abnormal behavior.

What if people don't want to encourage the ideology you are espousing. Would your behavior then be 'abnormal'?

Yes, but that will never happen. It is wrong to encourage what can lead to self mutilation. No matter what sugar coating people want to put on things, a sex change operation is mutilation. I will also say so is most plastic surgery. These are mot things to be encouraging. No. You don’t beat up the gay transgender person or call them names. But anyone encouraging a child to be transgender and encouraging anyone to hate themself so much that they feel compelled to engage in mutilation is wrong. Completely wrong.

These socratic arguments can continue for a while. I'm glad you have an understanding of your own values. I just wouldn't say those are mine.

Chopping off or surgically destroying body parts is wrong. It was one thing when people wanted gay rights. If people want to be gay and get married, great. Be gay and get married 🌈 That’s all well and good. But once we get into changing your sex, that is not well and good. People should be taught to love themselves the way they are. Not to convert themselves into something they could never naturally be. And no, I do not consider gay rights to be a parade of freaks dry humping each other in the street. If straight people do that, we get arrested. No one should be promoting unhealthy, inappropriate behavior for the sake of the rights of a minority group. There are still social rules and norms. And everyone should comply or understand that if they are intentionally breaching the norm, they won’t be treated well. I do it all the time. And I’m treated horribly all the time.

There is a certain limit on things. No one should be encouraging self mutilation. Just like no one should be encouraging becoming a homeless crack addict, which is also self mutilation.

I guess you’ve never seen what goes on at the gay parades.

Anyone who is male and “identifies” as a female, and vice versa.

By that logic, Trump isn’t lying about the election being stollen since he actually “identifies” that it was.

No they are. It's a mental disorder that cab be treated.

You’re right, it’s a sexual disorder.

Feeling like your mental gender doesn't match your physical body is.

Truth is what we make it.

That’s not true . . . Because I made it false 😂

Step off a 10 story building and see what truth really is.

Imagine there is is a set of truths A through Z (though of course more in reality.) That is our axiomatic statement about truths. I know you've already decided to stop reading.

The A truth is self evident such as the ten story building analogy. We don't even need science at all, though the theory of gravity seems to make the truth more clear ie more truthful. That is where the issue will be found.

Truths like its-true-because-i-made-it-so are conveniently at the other end of the meter on Z. Only mathematics can help us determine the truth of this kind. NOTHING makes Z more truthful. Though it's not to difficult to make Z less truthful. You for instance counter with its-false-becsuse-i-made-it-so. The one that is regarded to be right in many cases is just the individual who keeps using reason.

A truth around the M meter area would be something like "bad people lie". Science or math/reason or many other ways of establishing M might be utilized. Around the middle of the meter truths are most un-self evident. That is because so many ways of thinking having pushed the truths back and fourth on the scale. The essence of why lying makes people be bad if there could ever be found such an essence is irrelevant. No one cares about the essence of liefulness because ironically probably a million lies have already been told about that essence besides. So there is no imaginable absolute for M.

Notice however that A and Z were being pushed the same way on the meter by their "truth-disruptors". And that is crucial. Mathematical truths CAN become murkier or less truthful, usually when no mathematicians are around. But how do the raw facts of life become less truthful at A? They cannot unless one is deranged or incapacitated or naive. Slamming doors always pinch fingers as such. So at A when we rely on a system for providing truths like the theories of science we loose site of what A really is. In other words what once was A becomes call it A' [A prime]. Gravity does not prevent us from jumping off a bridge. But it does allow us to defy gravity in the first place and build bridges. And some people, hopefully with bungie chords then DO jump off bridges.

We don't care about M' because the primes are many and deluded. But the closer things get to A the fewer primes we tolerate especially on issues like gender relevant here. But there clearly are primes because the very idea of sex is not supposed to be openly revealed by argumentation. If it were than our loves lives...

... would be like court cases and very unpleasant. So that small argument means there are very good reasons or truths that turn us away from reason logic and argumentation as humans. The truths that dissuade us from delving too much into truths, if merely for our sanity, are the most highly primes letters. So much so thatbits difficultvto even claim in the first place that anti-analytical truths are F or P. The primes amplify on F if that is how scientific these irrational truths are in essence, so much so that even lone individuals in there own minds might believe that F is actually P. Or perhaps irrationality is a function of logic itself and deserves to be placed on the highly analytical side of the meter at P. Even then groups of individuals may adamantly convince almos every one else that is not the case and P is F. Like Smith who informed us that humans are beasts. So basically F''''''''''=P''''''''' AND THE DEBATE GOES ON.

This is a very different kind of deluding than found with M''''''''''. M primes are annoyingly forced on us by circumstance. No one knows what lies are and those who find out usually keep it to themselves. So there is continually less debate on a endlessly confusing topic. At P/F though everyone talks like they know what is going on even though half that talk admits that we don't. Being uncertain of the certainties of love or visa versus for the P/F camp is what increases the richness of life itself.

So individuals who find themselves arguing the sanctity of love or the properties of sex confuse the same thing with the other. What's given is the sanctity and the properties.whats not given is the clarity of the discussion. Guys are most tripped up by the gender issue and are concerned most about because of just one more truth determinerer being in play. "If I understand my sexuality that is a kind of confidence that will attract women." That's fine but what will repel women or more likely girls if these are your truths is an arrogant perspective that you cannot have because nobody has it which women learn ten times faster as girls than you.

Your entire rant:
TL;DR truth is relative because sometimes it's hard to tell what is truth and some people lie.

Nope sorry. There is truth and we can use math and science to find it. We may not always get it right, but we will always work towards it.
Right now the science says you have gender disphoria usually caused by chemicals like atrazeen in the water, plastics in our food, and leftist propaganda on our televisions.

Satirical Paraphrase:

Right now the science says I have gender disphoria caused by the scientist's creations but some like yourself will get there eventually with the right kind of scientism that doesn't have the kinds of products that cause my scientifically prescribed condition but also does have the mellifluous tongues of your kjnd taught by scientists to maitain the tech/math principles in the citadel of knowledge independent of the population elsewhere in silent hill.

The word is created by the scientist, but the phenomenon is real. There are treatment options.

You realize I have read almost nothing of the debate in this memes thread and am barely hearing you?

I could care less. My comments aren't for you. They are for impressionable people that might read your fancy words and believe the nonsense.

Hey there glad you’re saying trans rights