Let me explain…

Tell that to half of the people in the local hospital (with COVID) that are fully vaccinated.

They won’t be able to respond cause they got the jab and now they’re on the Ventilator

they look like antivaxxers.

Boo.

I’m right that’s the funny thing

Nope, still wrong about me being on a ventilator. It remains a fact that the covid vaccines are more safe than covid.

I’ve had Covid, the version being the most current. I’m safe with natural immunity. Oh yeah and it’s safer than having Covid? As I said I had the delta variant but I’m immune compromised, putting me at a higher risk of death, Covid is no worse than the common cold or the flu and that’s a fact.

Not according to the data.

What data? What Fauci gave out?

The consensus of data has been fairly consistent in regards to the safety of the vaccines and the deadliness of covid.

Covid is at least five times worse than the common cold, as the most people who've died from it in a single year in the United States was something like 78,000. Whereas Covid has taken 375,000 in one year. And we've already surpassed the death toll of the previous year eleven days ago because the delta variant is even more deadly than the original strain in 2020. Which is why it is very important to be vaccinated to cut down on the spread of it.

There is plenty of data out there, and I advise you to seek it out rather than simply dismiss it due to your personal confirmation biases and anecdotal evidence.

Fauci cannot control all the worlds data to reflect his own biases nor does it strictly benefit him to do so. Believing otherwise without evidence is utterly irrational.

yes fauci is a legitimate doctor and not a qanon quack

Ok but if the delta variant is so deadly and I have a weak immune system, and haven’t been vaccinated why am I not dead then?

just because you did well doesn't mean everybody else will.

blood type and genetics have a lot to do with it.

There are three very important possibilities.

1. You're lying. Chin up, dry your eyes. It's one of three possibilities and I'd be stupid to not consider and you'd be stupid to not consider that I would consider that.

2. You may very well have a weak immune system but you may not be as severely immune compromised as others. What appears to make covid deadly is when it's compounded with other minor illnesses that are usually benign on their own. This is why the immune compromised are far more susceptible to it, of course. Those who've been vaccinated or have been previously exposed and survived the original variant have been offered some protection which leads me to my third point.

3. You may have already had covid antibodies to protect you against the delta variant; which yes, those original antibodies are more effective than vaccines but not everyone was exposed to them in the first wave - and the delta variant is far too dangerous to simply try your luck at catching it for the antibodies you might get from it.

If you had been vaccinated you would've actually lowered your chances of being reinfected with the delta variant and wouldn't have noticed any symptoms at all.

Let’s see, I’m a type one diabetic who has high blood cholesterol. Got the delta variant whilst in Michigan over the summer. So

Also, who the f**k would lie about being immune compromised?

Well, people do lie about committing suicide here

True

People lying about being immune compromised to further a political point, especially in today’s political climate, and on this website
Really isn’t out of the question
I expect it actually

Well I’m not lying abt having a disease, that’s low

I’m not saying you are, I’m just saying that people lying for their political point, in this political climate, and especially on this site, most definitely exist.

For example, I have asthma, and wearing a mask actually helps me breath if it’s not wet. My theory is it filters out larger particles that makes it harder to breath for my weak lungs, as well as Covid.

You have no way of knowing if I’m lying if not, I’m not, but that could be a lie as well

I am about certain someone in imgflip is pretending to have some sort of illness in favors of/or in favor against vaccines masks and the like

Not saying it’s you

No i completely get what you’re saying

Earlier in the pandemic someone tried to convince me that whenever people with asthma wear a mask they have a lot of trouble breathing
Of course people have different triggers, and when they said THEY have a problem with masks I was like, ouch okay that’s a sucky trigger
But then they tried to say that all of their friends with asthma had the same problem, either they were lying or all of these masks where stored in some sort of cat dog pollen house with toxic paint on the walls

So they tried to tell someone who has asthma that it effects you? That’s stupid you’re the one living with it

Yeah

Either the world’s most incompetent infectious disease expert or the world’s biggest liar.

Do you expect him to tell the truth about gain of function research?

Hey I can relate I’ve been told how to handle my diabetes from time to time

(Also if we continue this conversation please respond to an earlier comment of mine bc it’s easier)

Attention seeking assholes.

Your risk of getting very sick from COVID-19 is likely to be lower if your diabetes is well-managed.

https://www.diabetes.org/coronavirus-covid-19/how-coronavirus-impacts-people-with-diabetes#:~:text=A%3A%20People%20with%20diabetes%20are,your%20diabetes%20is%20well%2Dmanaged.

Just because you're immune compromised doesn't guarantee you will get very sick or die. But your risk is very high and you dodged a figurative bullet.

I agree completely with that first statement

And my blood sugar is always high or low it’s rarely I’m range. Actually whilst having Covid my ketones spiked and I retched, twice. And of course that was the day I started feeling better.

And yeah, I know I’m lucky

Better out than in.

Wdym?

I'm having a hard time finding any story about a high number of fully vaccinated people on ventilators. So, I suspect your claim is baseless.

Furthermore, studies show those with covid antibodies AND fully vaccinated are more protected than those unvaccinated and vaccinated.

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Don't let the title mislead you:

In another analysis, the researchers compared more than 14,000 people who had a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and were still unvaccinated with an equivalent number of previously infected people who received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The team found that the unvaccinated group was twice as likely to be reinfected as the singly vaccinated.

Still, Thålin and other researchers stress that deliberate infection among unvaccinated people would put them at significant risk of severe disease and death, or the lingering, significant symptoms of what has been dubbed Long Covid. The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. COVID-19 has already killed more than 4 million people worldwide and there are concerns that Delta and other SARS-CoV-2 variants are deadlier than the original virus.

Actually it’s possible in highly vaccinated areas for vaccinated people to outnumber unvaccinated people in the ICU, for the simple reason there are more people are vaccinated
If 100% of a population is vaccinated, everyone in the ICU would be vaccinated

https://i.imgflip.com/5oteh9.jpg

https://imgflip.com/i/5oteh9

you understand this. most conservatives don't.

I’m not a conservative

i know you're not. was commenting on those who are ;)

You are not wrong but there are two very important things you should know to further contextualize the rise in hospitalizations among the vaccinated.

What are the vaccinated being hospitalized for? And what condition are the vaccinated in to what comparison to the unvaccinated?

Hospitalizations are not the same thing as critical condition. So that number, I'd still be very interested in monitoring. Yet all I can get from people who claim the vaccines are completely ineffective is some vague percentages in regards to people who've been hospitalized (which just means they went to the doctor, at the very least due to covid.) To my knowledge, very few people are in the ICU who are vaccinated as cases are climbing HIGHER in some places than any previous wave of covid. And very few deaths have been as a result of covid, let alone the vaccine, among the unvaccinated. Their solution to that is to link ALL deaths to ANY person who has had the vaccine; without a number of confirmed deaths due to covid or the vaccine.

They justify this erroneous tracking with the early weeks of Covid where doctors and hospitals in general did this when we didn't have the protocols and supplies in place to ensure proper cataloging and treatment for those with covid. We're far out of the days where if they covid they were listed as a covid death regardless of the co-morbidities.

It is good for people to be curious about the number of vaccinated and unvaccinated. It is a reasonable question to know how effective the vaccines are. However, ideally, cases would be coming down in the scenario where the number of vaccinated cases overtook unvaccinated cases. That is just not happening. The unvaccinated remain the vast high majority of those in critical condition or die as a direct result of covid.

tell that to the 95% of covid deaths RIGHT NOW who are unvaxxed.

Watch the video. Fauci has no credibility.

https://www.wnd.com/2021/10/4952515/

So, Fauci would have more credibility if he lied about the effectiveness of the data?

You're mistaking narrative for gradual consensus of data. When introduced to a larger number - a more accurate assessment can be reached. Not to mention the fact that for a time, the vaccine was 100% effective against the previous strains of the virus before delta. For a time, the effectiveness of the virus against the delta variant was largely unknown.

Furthermore, the assessment of Fauci's credibility and the credibility of the effectiveness of the vaccine has no basis to my original claim:

The vaccines are more reliable than natural immunity. Nor do vaccines impede those lucky to have it.

Aren't you a good little media muppet, repeating the state sponsored line, word for word.
Extra potato and vodka rations for you, Comrade.

Seriously though, you're a f--king braindead moron.

learn to read statistics, not qanon quackery.

qanon quacks are the ones who have no credibility.

https://jeffreydachmd.com/2021/08/director-of-cdc-rochelle-walensky-warns-of-ade-antibody-dependent-enhancement-from-israel-data/

Public health report from Scotland

https://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Public-Health-Scotland-21-09-01-covid19-publication_report.pdf

Publicly released data (above two pdf files) shows for last 4 weeks, the IFR (Infection Fatality Rate) in the fully vaccinated is 3.3 times that of the unvaccinated. The risk of death if hospitalized for the fully vaccinated is 2.15 times that of the unvaccinated hospitalized for Covid. ( note: This is for most recent 4 weeks of data)

In fact, as far as I can tell, IFR data isn't measured in the pdf provided.

And the article specifically names this pdf as a source of data that draws that conclusion.

I've poured over both pdfs (As you can see in my previous comment to this) and have not found it. But I have kindly posted the page numbers to the contradictions to the article's claims that the data "proves".

If you would so kindly show me where I might've missed it, I would be ever so appreciative. Just as I'm sure you appreciate me taking your sources very seriously. It was 116 pages if you read BOTH pdfs the article provided. Given that you only provided one, I assumed it had the direct (or recent) data for which the article claims but neither pdfs appear to mention IFR at all.

(I even searched for it in case I missed some blurb)

I’m not sure how the article draws the conclusion based on the data it provides. Least of which the one pdf you provided (thank you.) But of the data that is provided, in the September report it says the following which completely contradict your articles claim:

Pg.33

-The rate of increase in cases is less among fully vaccinated individuals compared to partially or unvaccinated individuals.

-In the last week, 8 out of every 100,000 vaccinated individuals were admitted to hospital and had a COVID-19 positive PCR test 14 days prior, on admission, or during their stay in hospital, compared to 15 out of every 100,000 unvaccinated individuals.

-From the 29 December 2020 to 25 August, 264 individuals tested positive for SARS- CoV-2 by PCR more than 14 days after receiving their second dose of COVID-19 vaccine and subsequently died with COVID-19 recorded as an underlying or contributory cause of death. This equates to 0.008% of those who have received two doses of COVID-19 vaccines, and is a significantly lower COVID-19 death rate than the pre-vaccination pandemic period.

Pg.38

-The latest analysis by PHE indicates that vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation after 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccine is high, with a 93% protective effect against the Alpha variant and 96% for the Delta variant.

Pg.43

-COVID-19 vaccines are estimated to significantly reduce the risk of mortality for COVID-19, however a small number of COVID-19 deaths are still expected in vaccinated people, especially in vulnerable individuals where the vaccine or the immune response may not have been effective. Evidence has shown that vaccination is highly effective in protecting against death from coronavirus (COVID-19). Data published by Public Health England (PHE) has shown that individuals who receive a single dose of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca vaccine have approximately 70 to 85% lower risk of death with COVID-19 compared with unvaccinated individuals.

-Modelling analysis from PHE estimates that between 102,500 and 109,500 deaths have been prevented in England as a result of the COVID-19 vaccination programme, up to 22 August.

It is possible the article is in error or just recontextualizing it.

I, myself, may also be recontextualizing through selection of key points but missing the actual context.

The solution is to find why the article has concluded this. I have not read the whole data yet but I have a guess…

The efficacy of the vaccines are not decreasing if the number of hospitalization rates among the vaccinated go up but the overall hospitalization case rates are falling.

You have been misinformed about natural immunity.

https://www.wnd.com/2021/10/johns-hopkins-medical-prof-explains-natural-covid-immunity-strong/

I haven't, actually. I'm well aware of natural immunity potentially offering more protection than the vaccine but that doesn't mean natural immunity is more reliable than the vaccine.

You have a greater chance of becoming sick and dying than having natural immunity to protect you from the virus.

You have a greater chance of not becoming sick and dying if you are vaccinated.

You have less of a chance of becoming sick and dying if you've been previously infected with the virus and survived.

You have less of a chance of reinfection of the virus if you been vaccinated regardless if you've had natural immunity or not.

These are the facts that appears to baffle journalists like Rjun Walia from the Pulse why scientists around the world still emphasis despite the data found in studies that natural immunity offers a greater protection but only to pool of people whose number is dwindling admidst the delta variant. And may continue to dwindle if the virus mutates further; which is possible given that re-infection (though still low for both vaccinated/unvaccinated) is still a higher probability among those who are unvaccinated.

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Studies showed that persons who caught SARS in 2003 still produced an immune response 17 years later. They also produced an immune response to SARS CoV-2 (The current coronavirus going around)

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), a total of 8,098 people worldwide became sick with SARS during the 2003 outbreak. Of these, 774 died. In the United States, only eight people had laboratory evidence of SARS-CoV infection. All of these people had traveled to other parts of the world where SARS was spreading. SARS did not spread more widely in the community in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/sars/about/fs-sars.html

How does at most 7,324 people walking around the world with an immune response to 2003 SARS help the 241,556,678 currently infected with the current coronavirus? No vaccine was created using the original 2003 SARS virus likely due to the fact it had a fatality rate of 9.6%. And it burned out too quickly for any effective research into making a vaccine from the remaining live samples

But the research that was conducted helped in constructing the mRNA vaccines we have for this new coronavirus.

https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=04677766-a422-4450-9f13-10115d6cc7ca