Whenever a leftist says that Jesus was a socialist.

On a scale of 1 to 10.

should add at the bottom "While keeping your own money." I mean isn't that the socialist M.O. with charity? To force others to give their money while keeping their own.

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Wow! I am surprised that all of our Leftist "theologians" haven't chimed in on this one.

He also said;
Nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God,
So maybe they do have some shame and are just staying away from this one.

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At the time, Jesus was a criminal.

Except...
They don't blindly support those things.
They also don't support liars, so stop it.

A lot of Christian conservatives are blindly pro police. When Jesus was about as anti-police as any historical figure.

Some Christians are blind followers, that's true.
Most that I know would NOT support bad cops blindly.
As I am not a religious person, I'm no scholar on Jesus.

I’m not exactly religious either. And I’m sure you’re right. But there are way too many middle America Christians that blindly bow to any authority. According to the Bible, Christians are not supposed to do that. The American prison system is something no Christian should tolerate.

"When Jesus was about as anti-police as any historical figure."

And how do you know this is true?

He stood up to the Governor and said he was wrong. Then he got killed for it. He didn’t just randomly walk up to the governor. He was taken to him by the authorities. Then he was killed. By the authorities. Yes, I believe that Jesus would say that those people who were the authorities could have chosen to be saved. But the authority they found in themselves was the wrong authority.

"He stood up to the Governor and said he was wrong."

Quotation?

You have missed so much; so very very much.

John 10:18
No one takes it [Jesus's life] from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”

John 19:10-12
So Pilate said to Him, “You will not speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You and authority to crucify You?”
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over Me at all unless it had been given you from above.
Therefore he who delivered Me over to you has the greater sin.”

From then on Pilate sought to release Him, but the Jews cried out, “If you release this Man, you are not Caesar's friend. Everyone who makes himself a king opposes Caesar.”
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So you see now just how wrong you have it? Do you care that you have it so wrong?
We have no idea if Pilate later repented of his sin of cowardice, for we learn from the whole narrative that he only ordered Jesus be crucified to appease the Jewish leaders. I doubt he did based on how he and Herod became friends over this event, but we are not told. What he did was indeed wrong, and an abuse of God's charge to governments, but it all only happened at God's direction.

This, none of this, is anything other than a distraction for you. You have missed the central theme of the Bible, and you have embraced the heresy of Universalism, which will not save you.

I feel sorry for you. To know how to read the words printed in a book, but still not understand the story. If I was wrong Pilate had nothing to repent.

Luke 13:3
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

I have nothing to repent. If you are living as you should, neither should you. I LoL over the thought of what Jesus’ reaction was when the authorities told him to repent or die. Maybe you should watch the passion of the Christ if this is news to you.

"To know how to read the words printed in a book,"

Which words are you referring to?

"The Lord rebuke you; the Lord Who chose Jerusalem, rebuke you."

Rebuke. If you choose. But don’t call yourself a Christian. You are just looking for an easy way out so you can retire your soul on a fluffy cloud floating around up above. Again, exactly the opposite of what Jesus Christ did with his life.

I know it’s true because that is what is in the Bible. You cannot disagree with me on that!

"I know it’s true because that is what is in the Bible. You cannot disagree with me on that!"

I can disagree with you, because it's not in the way you are explaining it. You have yet to prove your point by actually quoting the Bible. At this point, I assume you are just a immature troll, but you can prove that wrong by showing me where you find your concept in the Bible.

No. The quotes have you losing the forest for the leaves. The story is a story about a person, who was the son of God. Who was arrested, tortured and killed because he spoke of it in public. That’s what the story is about. Everything else were the things that happened in his life before it came to that point. If you don’t agree, no matter what you call yourself, you are absolutely not Christian at all. You are someone worshiping god to avoid hell. That is the exact opposite of what Jesus Christ did with his life.

"No. The quotes have you losing the forest for the leaves. The story is a story about a person, who was the son of God. Who was arrested, tortured and killed because he spoke of it in public. That’s what the story is about. Everything else were the things that happened in his life before it came to that point. If you don’t agree, no matter what you call yourself, you are absolutely not Christian at all. You are someone worshiping god to avoid hell. That is the exact opposite of what Jesus Christ did with his life."

Please tell me you do not believe this. Saying the passages I used are used incorrectly is not the same thing as showing it to be the case. You cannot do so, because a) I am using them faithfully, and b) you really have no idea about what is in the Bible.

I asked before, I will ask it again- do you have a demon?

Demon? You’re lost in fantasy. I don’t know of any demons having relevance to the life of Jesus Christ. You are posting quotes about heaven and hell. Great. But you don’t understand how you get to either place. I can tell you right now, by reading the Bible and memorizing quotes that refer to salvation, you aren’t doing anything Christian. You really don’t understand what the difference between heaven and hell is. Again, if I’m wrong, why would Jesus, the Son of God endure all of that suffering, if all he had to do was memorize quotes from a book. Because when last I checked, that is what the Jewish religion was doing when Jesus came along (and still is). You really have it all wrong. It’s not about escaping your demons. It’s about confronting the demons that exist all around you, with faith. In yourself. Because we are created in the image of God and because the Holy Spirit really is within all of us.

You are very wrong, and have yet to point to single passage that supports your terrible theology. I will not bother responding to anything else you have to say, unless you are trying to back it up with the Scriptures.

Faith is only as good as the object in which you place that faith. If you are placing faith in yourself, you are doomed, and committing idolatry.

This is not theology. It is human history, If you are saying each of the facts I pointed to are not contained in every version of the Bible that there is, you know nothing about Christianity. I know for a fact that when the police came for Jesus Christ (and yes they did in the Bible) he did not bow, kneel, quiver and beg, “I’m sorry. I repent! Please don’t kill me.”

Yeah, we’ll to the zealous, nothing is a lie if they agree.

*well

Well, that's true of all religions and all groups.
I don't defend those who choose to support Evil.

You mean mob justice like what almost happened to that woman and did happen to Jesus.

Not sure I understand. The entire point of the Bible was that government corruption leads to brutality and unjust execution. Basically everything we have today. Most Christians are lost. They forgot the human aspect of the story of Jesus. They are too caught up in miracles and mysticism, which is largely exaggerated by people. Saying all people are God’s children was illegal at the time. As was talking to women. We may have different stupid crimes and excessive brutality and enforcement and execution. It’s the same thing. In a different time. The Christian church in America is lost. It has strayed so far from the path that the stairway to heaven is going to lead a lot of people somewhere else.

I wonder if you can back any of what you say up? One thing is certain- the "point of the Bible" had little to do with govt corruption, and everything to do with human corruption.

It is about how we got here, the resulting fall of Man, and the promised Messiah- salvation to those who by faith confess Jesus as Lord, and believe that God raised Him from the dead.

Many in legit churches, and certainly in the majority apostate ones, are indeed lost, but this is not representative of all churches in America.

The story is what it is. People choose to focus on everything other than the main point that follows the foundation that all people are gods children and all people can go to heaven. Aside from that, the main point of the story is being executed for a joke of a crime. The brutality is specifically that of the corrupt government. Anyone who doesn’t see that is lost. And the reason people always miss that main point of the story is that people in governments have used the Bible to homogenize beliefs. That influence is one of the driving forces behind the loss of the religion.

Wow! That is some Grade A nonsense right there! I hope you are just a troll and do not really believe any of that.

All people are NOT God's children- where do you get that from? I asked you to support your earlier premise, but all you have done is type out your really odd conspiracy theories.

John 1:12-13 (emphasis added)
But to all who did receive Him, who believed in His Name, He gave the right TO BECOME children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
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And all people do not go to Heaven. If you are relying on that to save you from the wrath of God, and eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire, you are yourself lost.

Matthew 25:41
Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
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John 3:3, 17-18 (emphasis added)
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again ***he cannot see*** the Kingdom of God.”

For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through Him.
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he has not believed in the Name of the only Son of God.
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As I said, I do not know if you actually believe what you are saying, or if this is just a troll tactic. If the former, I presume you care about what God thinks, so you should be concerned that you are a blasphemer and a heretic; if the latter, well, then I probably just wasted my time. Of course, you wouldn't be the first person to be transformed by the Word of God, so I will be praying that God opens your eyes to His Word.

I believe it 100%. I also see zero applicability of any of those quotes. More important than the quotes is the crucifixion. When you answer these questions: Why was Jesus executed? Who executed him? Under what authority was he executed? Was he executed by an unruly group of people? Or was he executed under lawful authority?

The answers to these questions, from the Bible, are more important than the out of context quotes. I believe if you are familiar with the story, the answers to these questions prove what I am telling you that I believe. It’s not that I care what God thinks. It’s that I understand the point of the story. And who did what for which reasons.

When Adam and Eve sinned God told them to sacrifice an animal. Blood is the price for sin or rather the wages of sin is death(Book of Hebrews). SIn=Death. It's just a matter of 'sooner or later' until Jesus returns for good. The problem was no amount of sacrificing animals could ever satisfy the price of sin. Only a perfect sacrifice without sin could satisfy the price. Hence Jesus Christ. As part of the Godhead(The Son), He became Flesh and Blood so He could satisfy the sin price because God cannot sin. He let Himself be sacrificed and fulfilled a whole bunch of prophecy*. Since He was without sin He was the perfect sacrifice and since He never sinned death could never have a true hold on Him(His Resurrection). His death and resurrection not only the sin price for the time He walked the planet but also for future generations of those who believe.

* Prophecies Jesus fulfilled - https://www.gotquestions.org/prophecies-of-Jesus.html

"I believe it 100%. I also see zero applicability of any of those quotes. More important than the quotes is the crucifixion. When you answer these questions: Why was Jesus executed? Who executed him? Under what authority was he executed? Was he executed by an unruly group of people? Or was he executed under lawful authority?"

First of all, apart from the Word of God, how would YOU answer those questions?

The Bible makes it crystal clear that apart from God, no one had ANY authority to condemn and execute Jesus.

God had planned it all out before time existed, before the creation of all that there is. It begins in the account in Genesis, where God explains that one day a son of Adam would be stricken by the devil, but then the Son of God would trample him under His feet.

Over and over the OT gives us prophecies predicting what, where, and even when.

Jesus was born of a virgin, prophesied in Isaiah, He lived a perfect, holy life, as only God could do, and then He offered Himself up as a sacrifice - God working salvation on His own since no one else could do it. Then He rose from the dead, proving that all had been done according to the will of God. And Jesus makes it very clear that everything that happened only happened because He allowed it to happen, and directed it to happen.

It is through grace by faith in all of this that moves us to the step of Christ taking our sin upon Himself, and Him in return imputing His righteousness on us. The ONLY people that will be with God in Heaven are those who are perfectly moral and perfectly righteous, and the only way that could ever happen is by accepting the free gift from God that I just described to you.

Sadly, I have little faith in direct quotes from the Bible. Yes, father forgive me for this. But in 2021, you can have a protest in the Congress building, where every room has cameras and microphones, every officer has a body cam and everyone else has a cell phone with cameras and microphones. And even with all that data, no one can produce a verbatim account of what happened. If you have that much faith in the exact words printed into the Bible, over the point of the story, you are not worshiping god, you are worshiping the 2000+ years of human error, translation, deviation and even sin that were incorporated into the message of the story.

"Yes, father forgive me for this."

Your god only exists in your imagination.

As for the veracity and trustworthiness of the Bible, you are clueless. Given that there are over 26,000 copies, fragments, and whole books in existence, we know with certainty that what we have today is what was originally written. You can choose to claim that what was originally written was not inspired by God, in spite of the evidence to the contrary, but you cannot claim, with intelligence, that we do not have what was originally written.

Textual criticism and the translation process are exacting sciences, so if the material being translated is good, then the result will be good.

The Jews had tremendous supernatural experiences during their inception, and God confirmed His prophets with accompanying miracles, so that Israel would know that what they were saying was from Him. Because of this, the Jews protected the texts of the Old Testament accordingly.
The New Testament was all written close to the actual events, and between all of the copies, the NT can be translated through comparison of them, and confirmed by all of the extra-biblical writings of the early church leaders. As they communicated with one another in order to help each other understand the meaning, they effectively quoted the NT to the point that most of it can be reconstructed just from that- yet we have so much more than that.

So, manuscript evidence is extremely high for an ancient work- nothing from antiquity compares, or even comes close.
Add to that how it lines up with archaeology, and you have external proof that it is accurate on provable, verifiable matters.
The prophetic aspects of the Bible go further to show that it is inspired by God. The prophecies concerning Jesus in the OT were clearly written before 0 AD, given that the OT was translated into Greek some 300 years prior. Statisticians have applied the science of Statistical Probability to the possibility of someone accidentally fulfilling just a few of those prophecies, and it is scientifically impossible. That may be a minor point given all the rest, but it exists nonetheless.

Apart from the Bible, you on the other hand, have nothing apart from your annoying imagination. Why, pray tell, would you call God, "father [sic]"? Where do you find that He directs us towards that Name?

Now it does seem like you actually believe what you are saying, but you have no basis for saying any of it.

Sadly, with your mindset, you will never find a basis to believe what I have seen. It will escape you. And what you believe will be true. To you. That’s how it works. I didn’t make the rules.

"Sadly, with your mindset, you will never find a basis to believe what I have seen. It will escape you. And what you believe will be true. To you. That’s how it works. I didn’t make the rules."

Your "gospel" is nothing but vapor- you have said nothing concrete to support what you believe, and you are unable to counter my facts. And you certainly cannot contend with the Word of God. I have NO idea why you believe anything you have said, and you are all over the board with it too.

Fact: there is a Heaven to gain, and a Hell to shun. Based on everything you have said, you have no clue how this works- ignorance will be no excuse on Judgment Day.

As to your diatribe concerning evolution, it has nothing to do with the Word of God- you attempt to equate the failed theory of evolution to the trustworthiness of the Bible is nonsensical. And while evolution could not happen, proven by science, your assertions of the results if it were true and not scientifically accurate, so your defense against it is as weak as your defense of your theological positions.

Jesus essentially avoided getting embroiled in the politics of His day- most of what you seem to think had to do with Rome was Him actually dealing with the spiritual leaders of the Jews. He could have called down 10,000 angels to rescue Him from Pilate, yet Pilate and all the rest were following His will in the matter- it was all foretold ahead of time, and every prophecy was fulfilled regarding the work of salvation God was doing.

Luke 13:5
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
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Keep playing games with God- it will not turn out well for you.

Besides the fact that a guy who wouldn’t even qualify as a scientist made up the theory of evolution to appease his Queen that paid the equivalent of billions of dollars to him, what scientific evidence of evolution exists? I can tell you that aside from a book written for the royal family, which was mandated as science by the Queen—there is none. If there were, we’d be seeing Documentaries on DNA in evolution all over the place. With reference to specific shared fragments that were passed along. If evolution existed, humans would be able to eat raw meat and drink filthy water from puddles like all of the allegedly less evolved creatures on the Planet Earth. Evolution wouldn’t have made us so weak that we’d die without purified water and cooked food. That alone is purely scientific evidence that evolution was just made up by people in a time when science didn’t even exist. Good day, sir!

You certainly have a one track mind.

Do you have a demon?

No. I’m just not a fool.

My new favorite show is 'Your Pretty Face Is Going To Hell'.
It makes me laugh right out loud.
Gary is the coolest Demon ever.

You think the bible was about government corruption?
I'm not religious at all and even I know that isn't what it is about.

Well, you need to read it to the end then. Because, yes, it absolutely is about Government corruption. Jesus Christ was given the death penalty, by the Governor. If you add that one, MOST IMPORTANT, fact to the story and still say it is not about government corruption, you might as well ignore everything else. Because that is first and foremost what the entire story of the Bible is about. I hope you are not Christian. Because if you don’t know that, you’re not Christian.

Well government and mob rule. Remember it was the mob that chose Barabbas over Jesus. Course that was the part of the Plan but still.

The “mob rule” thing is a red herring. If anything, it was added to the story by people after the fact, so the Bible could be used by people in government to control everyone else. The government was more powerful and organized at the time than how it is portrayed in popular modern bibles.

No, it was a law that existed back then. During Passover people could choose which of the day's prisoners could go free before execution(sort of a twisted Bread and Circus). Even the government officials were shocked the mob chose the clear as day guilty person over the person everyone practically knew was innocent.