They just don’t get it.

I bet in Norway people are also still wearing masks and stuff, because they don’t need restrictions to be reasonable

Probably. Because they believe SCIENCE. 1/3 of our country are under-educated adult-toddlers that won't be told what to do because FREEDUMB.

Which is why we need restrictions

I borrowed this graph from the enjoyable How Not to Be Wrong. Obviously, we want all of the social goods of the Nordic countries and their wonderful flat-packed furniture without too much Swedishness and the attendant Pit of Socialism.

False, Trump supports would never give credit to a foreign country. Too self-centered and blinded by "pAtRiOtiSm."

The US already has universal healthcare. That's what Obamacare did. You either were forced to purchase, forced to get it for free from taxpayers, or were lucky to only have your insurance rates go up by 33 percent.

Technically ours is better because it's universal AND free market.

Oh let's also not forget to consider demographics... Sure a universal system works well in a country with HALF the population of OHIO. Norway literally is out populated by the United States 70/1. We have 70 citizens for every single 1 of their citizens.

They have 4 doctors to every 1000 citizens, with around 100 Hospitals. Norway was also amongst the wealthiest nations in the world for quite a long time. According to many studies there is a direct correlation between wealth and health. Meaning those with more money have to use medical facilities and services less often than those who aren't rich.

https://militaryfamilieslearningnetwork.org/2019/08/08/correlations-between-health-and-wealth/#:~:text=Studies%20have%20shown%20a%20positive,those%20in%20lower%20income%20groups.

Statistically speaking - in 2017, only 0.05% of Norway was impoverished. Meaning just under 25,000 Norwanites were poor. Meaning 99.5% of them statistically live healthier lives.

Compare that against JUST Ohio - where we have 245 Hospitals. Where we also have 13.1% of Ohio marked as impoverished. With 11 million citizens - that makes up 150,000 Ohioans poor. When you have a society that has 13.1 percent of the populace being poor - you cannot run a Universal Healthcare system in the same manner as an entire Country half the size of Ohio - that has 125 thousand less impoverished people.

In Norway - their taxes from being rich - makes it possible. In the United States, too many impoverished people make it impossible.

“Obamacare” didn’t give us universal healthcare. That’s just flat out wrong. Also the GOP has tried and succeeded in partially dismantling it under trump.

And there’s plenty of money in this country to fund actual universal healthcare.

No there isn't lmao. The total spend in this country in JUST medical expenses.... Was 1.2 Trillion. That's in a free market economy - with parts of Obamacare dismantled (thankfully).

Obamacare was indeed a Universal Healthcare package - because it effected every single citizen. The mandate was on the populace to HAVE to purchase healthcare. You either already had healthcare coverage (and your rates increased as much as 60 percent for some, 33 percent for me, had to purchase coverage, or were too poor and got on a government plan.

This particularly affected one of my cousins directly. He was young, never went to the doctor, hardly ever got sick because he lived a healthy lifestyle, made around 25 thousand - which was great for his age and work experience. He now had to spend 3600 a year on healthcare. Effecting taking $75 a week out of his take home pay. That happened to tens of thousands of people just like him.

If literally every other civilized western country can provide its citizens real universal healthcare (not urgent care) we can certainly do the same.

Not literally every other... A lot of them, I'll give you that.

Many of these countries also still have slavery as a thing, should we adhere to that too? In China - don't have too many girls, ask the Iranian slaves China keeps for government work how much they like the healthcare.

Also - if all these Universal Healthcare places are sooooo great, then why do people all over the world travel to the United States for healthcare procedures? I'll answer that for you - because free and fair open markets on healthcare promotes competition which promotes better results as a whole than Universal Models do.

Plainly put - when government runs healthcare, competition goes down and thus so does the urgency to make better procedures and medical products.

If you think you want Universal Healthcare in the United States - remember also that you want everyone to get vaccinated, and that the vaccine you want everyone to get was created so quickly by and because of a FREE OPEN MARKET healthcare system. If healthcare had been universalized in the US, there wouldn't have been a drive for speed to market to get your vaccine out first.

Those countries aren’t modern, westernized countries like I said.

China isn't modern? The UK isnt modern?, Australia isn't modern?, Russia isn't modern?, most of Europe is modern as well.... Actually regardless of modern or not... The countries came to the United States for their vaccines because we were the only healthcare industry capable of doing it because we are one of the only major countries with a free market healthcare system.

Which means our healthcare is better because it was capable of delivering life saving vaccines to the rest of the world and their universal health systems that would have taken 5 years to make a vaccine. Did you know the average lifecycle for development of vaccines is 10-14 years? That's because of governments running healthcare. Ours was made in 9 months because we have better systems.

We made good vaccines when the government pumped a bazillion dollars into the funding. Imagine how great our healthcare system would be if they did the same thing there.

We made good vaccines when the virus emerged, because we have free market health care organizations. Phizer, Johnson & Johnson, and Moderna were all developing their vaccines before the government offered any money to speed things up.

The speed things up portion came more in the forms of transit of the vaccines - the logistics of how to get them from Point A to Point Bs that needed it most and the fastest.

Basically the payments to UPS and FedEx to deliver the vaccines. That's where the majority of bazillions of dollars went... Transportation.

"Free Markets" funded by bazillions of government dollars. LOL come on man.

Free market means they can operate within the laws of the governing authority. Meaning a company can choose or not choose to do certain things.

Universal means they have to operate according the leadership of the government entity leading things.

One is about freedoms and prosperity - the other is about subjection and authority.

yep. Imagine how great our healthcare system would be if they did the same thing there.

So the government that has currently lost some 14 Trillion dollars in the forms of debts to run our country.... Would do a good job at healthcare.

They literally have created a financial problem that my great great grandkids will still be paying for.... And you think that government would run people's health well?

Obamacare brought average costs for healthcare coverage up immensely, they took two years to get their website even running properly, and people actively cut out parts of it because it was sooooo poorly designed.... And you think THAT government would handle Healthcare well.

Are you insane?

To put the financials in an easier to understand light - here is your stats. In the US we spend roughly $10.6K per Capita where Norway spends about $9K per Capita. We have a 10.6K per Capita

They have a 1 to 70 correlations of Capita to the US. They also have a 99.95% of their population not being poor - to where they can afford it. Only 25 thousand people cannot afford their healthcare Norway. They also don't have 75 thousand Illegal Immigrants

In the United States we have 42 MILLION people in poverty - which is roughly 13% of our population, not to mention illegal migrants that all go to our medical care facilities. We outnumber their poor in percentages 26 to 1. In raw numbers by 42,975,000 people.

Universal Healthcare can work when 99.5% of a population isn't poor. It can't work when 13% are poor.

Other countries spend less and provide better healthcare. We can too.

No they don't. Spend less? Yes. Better healthcare? No. Vaccines for COVID were made here in the US. They were made quickly because of the open market competition. The US is the number 1 exporter of Vaccines for COVID because we are free market.

If the other countries healthcare was so great - they would have had the vaccines first. But they didn't. We did, and we owe it to a free market, not a universal healthcare model.

Better health care? Yes. Simply look at any list of healthiest countries. We aren’t the healthiest, we don’t have the longest life spans, lowest infant mortality or any other quantifiable measure of health. That’s because those countries have better healthcare (and populations that don’t doubt science which includes nutrition science.)

No, it's because OUR SOCIETY has 13 percent of the population impoverished. Poor people aren't as healthy as rich people. That's a measurable thing and has been measured and is true. Rich people live longer than poor people and are healthier.

And don't talk about infant mortality if you support the liberal standards for when an abortion is ok. You can't advocate for abortion and use infant mortality in your arguments lmao. Also don't have a second girl in China.

abortion doesn't change infant mortality rates.

Yes it does. It takes them out of the equation. You can't have an accurate infant mortality rate - when abortion keeps infants from being born.

If all the aborted fetuses were allowed to be people like you and me - then you could get an accurate idea of infant mortality. It could go back extremely worse or go extremely better. But withholding those fetuses the chance to become infants - keeps the mortality rate skewed one way or the other.

But my point is if your advocate for abortion - you have no merit in the discussion of infant mortality rates - because you're trying to get them killed before they are infants.

If you don’t believe in providing living people with healthcare than you have no merit in the discussion lifespan and overall well being and health of the rest of the population.

So you're saying the Mayans, Incas, Aztecs, Egyptian pharaohs, and every other culture we've had up until the year 1850 had healthcare?

That's right - it's not a human right to have healthcare. It's a privilege.

Oh yeah - let's also not forget that it was a free market model, that invented Healthcare Coverage. The United States invented Healthcare in a free market - and you're saying it needs to change.

Guess what? If it wasn't for freedom... Healthcare coverage wouldn't even exist.