HYPOCRISY BE LIKE

Tested vs experimental.

If you want to receive this treatment, you are welcome to. You know it is the treatment that Trump rushed through, right?

True, it was a rush job and testing was minimal; the flip side of that is that the mRNA responsible for manufacturing the spike protein is going to be loose in your cells regardless of whether you get COVID or the vaccine so it's a zero-sum game.

As far as the orange moron goes, he did what he does best -i.e. put his name on someone else's work and try to take all the credit. Realistically, the only impact OWS had on the development was funding for projects that pharmaceutical companies were already scrambling to complete.

Programming your own body to produce disease agents (which may be harmful in themselves) DOES NOT fit that definition.

Please stop lying.

Just what is it that you think an RNA virus does when it releases its own coding into your cells?

So you’re admitting this medical treatment is more like an active virus than a vaccine, huh?

No, I'm saying that it does one singular thing a virus would do vis-a-vis the production of spike proteins under instruction of mRNA isolated from COVID-19 (per the "its products" part of the definition of "vaccine") which ultimately results in antibody production and immunity. Thus, it's a vaccine.

Not only is it a vaccine, it's superior to traditional vaccines (we are in agreement that it is definitely not a vaccine in the traditional sense of the word) in that with traditional vaccines, it's entirely possible for live, unattenuated virus to make it into vaccine ampules if someone makes a mistake during production. With mRNA vaccines, there's zero danger of that because it's solely a virus fragment which induces the production of other virus fragments.

And it's also had zero long-term testing. We have no idea what the long-term side effects of this may be. And there are many signs that even the short term side effects are very dangerous indeed.

And no, by the definition you gave, it IS NOT A VACCINE. It is a gene modification therapy.

I'm curious, do you have a source for your claim "there are many signs that even the short term side effects are very dangerous indeed"? If so, I'd like to see it.

Have you heard of VAERS? There’s quite a bit of evidence there.

I'm guessing you didn't read the disclaimer at https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html -specifically this part:

"While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind."

In other words, it's meaningless.

But okay, I'll play along; which human genes are modified?

We are having foreign mRNA introduced into our bodies. THAT IS GENE MODIFICATION.

Yeah, you'll get that regardless of whether it's traditional vaccine, mRNA COVID vaccine or live infection. You should really look up gene modification therapy before you embarrass yourself any further.

"mRNA is also genes" does not answer the question. Which HUMAN GENES are modified?

Actually, rather than rely on you to follow-up I'll make it easy for you:

"Gene therapy involves altering the genes inside your body's cells in an effort to treat or stop disease. Genes contain your DNA — the code that controls much of your body's form and function, from making you grow taller to regulating your body systems. Genes that don't work properly can cause disease. Gene therapy replaces a faulty gene or adds a new gene in an attempt to cure disease or improve your body's ability to fight disease."

So, now that you're aware of what gene modification therapy is, tell me -which human genes are modified?

MRNA is also genes.

Nope, no genes are modified. And yes, the mRNA produced during viral infection and incorporated into new virus is a PRODUCT of a virus. It's a vaccine. You can argue with me all you like, but the dictionary says you're wrong.

Are you going to answer the 4 questions or have you realized you can't without disproving your own assertions?

Answer these questions:

1. Does coronavirus replicate itself after infecting a cell?
2. Does coronavirus program a cell to generate spike proteins?
3. Does the mRNA COVID vaccine ultimately result in production of antibodies which fight COVID?
4 Does the mRNA COVID vaccine confer immunity on those who receive it?

A vaccine is supposed to contain *inactive* disease elements that can’t actually do that.

4. Not for long, apparently. Also, they’re not sterilizing vaccines, which is a serious problem.

"A vaccine is supposed to contain *inactive* disease elements that can’t actually do that."

I'm curious, you've heard of the smallpox vaccine, yes? And you're aware that it's the very first vaccine ever created, are you not? You're further aware that, before Pastuer's work, the vaccination process was literally, a matter of deliberately infecting people with live cowpox virus, correct?

"Also, they're not sterilizing vaccines"

Source?

You know what, not wasting time with a poison-pusher like you anymore.

Sooo...you pulled that "also, they're not sterilizing vaccines" crack out of your ass, then?

It's kind of odd that you would request someone "Please stop lying." when they're speaking facts but then cut and run after making a statement and being challenged to back it up.

"A vaccine is supposed to contain *inactive* disease elements that can’t actually do that."

vaccine
[vakˈsēn]
NOUN
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, ITS PRODUCTS, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

You're arguing with the dictionary again.

imgflip.com/i/5iojly How can the Covid Vaccine give immunity when people still get sick from it?

Sorry, that was an oblique response; to accurately answer your question, there are different levels of immunity. A lot of the public's misunderstanding of vaccines is centered around the idea that immunity conferred by vaccination is absolute; it isn't. A vaccine doesn't make one immune, it primes the immune system to detect and fight infection -nothing more, nothing less. In some cases, that priming is so effective that the immune system clobbers a pathogen just as soon as it gets a foot in the door. In other cases, a pathogen is able to slip in under the radar, set up shop and be doing business before the immune system knows what's happening...and then the immune system's SWAT team shows up and goes scorched earth. In other cases still, a pathogen is able to enter the body and set up shop, the immune system sends in the SWAT team but neither side is able to achieve a decisive outcome and a balance is reached wherein the pathogen remains in the body but is killed off at the same rate as it reproduces.

How can conventional flu vaccine give immunity when people still get sick from it?

Thank you for confirming that the mRNA COVID vaccine is, in fact a vaccine.