He's still responsible

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The Taliban’s current challenge

at least biden stuck to the timeline.

Trump was literally gonna do the same thing Biden was just finishing what he was doing. Biden did it at a worse time however cause everyone was already pulling out.

Trump was not going to do it the same way. Biden is a dumbf**k. Every American knows how the evac is supposed to be done, except Joe.

The deal Trump made was a f**king joke. The Taliban would never and probably will never stop being violent until they are fully defeated and disbanded. I never said Joe was doing it well. I just said he did it at the wrong time since everyone was pulling out.

Joe did it incompetently. Terribly bad. No way to get US citizens out by Aug 31, and why would Joe agree to that, knowing that?!

That guy doesn’t care.

I have a serious question. I hope that you answer it in full honesty and sincerity.

Let's move this back, say 5 years.

And it was Trump following up on an identical Obama agreement about withdrawing US Troops in Afghanistan. The same things were happening in exactly the same way they are now.

Who would you blame? Would it be Trump? Or would it be Obama?

I doubt that Trump would have allowed things to go this way. Biden had warnings that the Taliban takeover would be swift.

I think this was the intended outcome. The arms, ammunition, and night vision was flown in just ahead of the afghan military desertion - and abandoned. As of it was a gift to the Taliban.

I have serious doubt's that liberals care about this country. Often I wonder if their activities aren't to intentionally harm the country.. Anti-police, anti-military, I even saw a fire station vandalized with racist accusations. I see that as anti -American, and that I cannot abide.

My family has military roots going back generations - I bleed red, white, and blue. My Christmas eve is spent serving food to first responders, which I pay for. Service to others is the conservative way. I see liberals only serving themselves.

You did not answer the question. At all.

Nothing changes. Events are exactly the same. The only difference is Trump is the president at the time and this exact same deal was done by Obama.

Who do you blame?

Service in the military runs in my family for generations. Both of my grandfathers served. My uncles served. My father served. I served. My cousins served. Some of my nephews serve.

Interesting side note, my service helped make me more liberal.

But to the question: everything happens exactly as it does now. the only changes are Obama inked the deal with the Taliban and Trump is following up on the exact terms of the deal.

Who is to blame?

Yes I did, you just didn't like the answer.

Sure, there was an agreement to pull out - but not only did Biden not honor it (he changed the date to much later), whoever planned the operations forgot to stop smoking crack.

Allies weren't warned, assets were abandoned, people were abandoned, the most advanced military airbase in the world was abandoned in favor of a civil airfield. Trump didn't plan this - biden did.

As much as you'd like to blame Trump, your boy f**ked this up.....and continues to do so.

No. You still have not answered the question. Let me ask it again.

Obama inks the EXACT same deal that Trump did. Trump is President and sets in motion the EXACT same events. Nothing changes except who is sitting in the Oval Office.

And I think we all know at this point, you would blame the previous President and not the current one.

Unlike today.

So, spare me this "oh, I support the troops" business. Because you don't. Trump and the Republican party are the only things that matter to you. everything else is just a prop.

You present an impossible scenario. Trump would not have executed a withdrawal in this manner. The agreement contains dates, not methods.

You're trying to say that there was no other way, and I'm saying there was.

Your inability to conceive of an answer is an answer.

You'd blame Obama.

But the facts are this: your boy Trump inked this deal in Feb of 2020. Because it's an agreement made by the United States, Biden is trying to keep it.

Is it a f**king mess? Yep. Is Biden partially responsible? Yep. He's the President. That goes with the job.

But your boy started this. He set the timeline. He also holds responsibility here. You can read the agreement straight from the sec of state website here: https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

Not that you will.

It isn't that I can't conceive of an answer - I've explained it twice, two different ways - and yet you're still unable to grasp it.

Third time's the charm - right?

THE PERSON IN CHARGE GETS TO MAKE THE PLAN.
BIDEN IS IN CHARGE, HIS PLAN SUCKED BECAUSE HE'S A SENILE FOOL
IF TRUMP WAS IN CHARGE, THE PLAN WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT

Did you catch that last part? I'll reword it AGAIN, in case you still don't grasp the concept.

TRUMP WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING.

It doesn't matter how many times you say "THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING" - that doesn't make it true. Biden was in charge and he screwed everything up, it's his signature move.

Maybe an example of better planning would be helpful.

Biden pulled troops first, leaving people and equipment behind.

Any FOOL could tell you what happens next, and indeed - we got to watch the Taliban swoop in and seize Bagram AFB, seize equipment, seize aircraft, seize vehicles, harass those trying to get to the airport, and isolate those who were abandoned.

What should have happened. Non-essential equipment is removed. Non-essential personnel are evacuated. Remaining personnel and equipment are moved to Bagram. Equipment that cannot be evacuated is prepared for demolition. Buildings and other structures are prepared for demolition. Air support ensures the final equipment and personnel evacuations are secure. Clean-up ground forces detonate the buildings and equipment and evacuate.

Nobody gets stranded, bad guys don't get any equipment, done.

OH wait - I just went through my replies and I had given the same answer 3 DIFFERENT WAYS (now 4). You can't pull the same losing debate strategy 3 times in a row....if it didn't win the first 2 times, it's not going to win the 3rd.

Well, if the commitment to withdraw Afghanistan soldiers technically began under Obama, then shouldn't it be on Obama rather than Biden and Trump? Both Biden and Trump put it off.

That's the hypothetical part. In the really real world, Trump signed the full withdraw agreement in Feb of 2020. He said that the US would be 100% gone by the 1st of May 2021.

So, in this hypothetical world where Obama inked the deal and then a year later, Trump is in office and exactly the same things are happening, who would you hold accountable?

Trump or Obama?

I forgot to mention, biden altered the pullout date to the worst possible date, ensuring this would be interpreted as a surrender.

Only a complete moron would have chosen Sept 11. I'm forced to ask, was it chosen as a gift to the Taliban - or as an insult to conservatives.

Trump committed to a full withdrawal by 1 May 2021 if the Taliban kept its commitments. The Biden administration, however, said the US would not begin withdrawing until 1 May and would complete the withdrawal before 11 September.

Not on.

Before.

And if the original timeline had been kept, this would have happened in May. That's the only difference.

Leadership would have been the difference. Biden has f**ked up everything he has touched so far.

Why would the pull out date matter if it's later rather than earlier? It seems to me, if it had been earlier, the collapse would've just happened faster.

I could care less about the collapse of Afghanistan. A $trillion dollars later and the place is still a shithole. I'm pissed that $billions in equipment was handed to the Taliban, and that Americans are stranded.

Military leaders advised against pulling out during "fighting season". Winter cold is a deterrent for these people, apparently April to October is when they're looking for a fight.

That equipment belonged to the Afghanistan government. Not the US. Those weapons falling into enemy hands is also on that government. The whole reason we didn't evacuate the US citizens first was because we stupidly thought that our allies had established a real presence there. And maybe that presence would've held if we had chosen not to release 5,000 Taliban criminals; that would've helped. Or actually coordinating with the Afghan government rather than the Taliban on when we'd leave.

I agree that we shouldn't have pulled out the way we did but to pretend this is all on Biden is rather juvenile and an oversimplification of the clusterf**k this is.

Sure, some of it was theirs - but we (US citizens) paid for it - when the afghan military deserted, it should not have been left for the Taliban to seize. What they don't sell (to our enemies), they'll use against us and our allies.

Biden flew in more arms, ammo, body armor, and night vision just ahead of the afghan military desertion - all of it was seized by the Taliban. He took a bad situation and managed to make it worse.

You're not wrong, but it's clear that the military supplies were to keep the Afghan government up long enough so that we could evacuate. Ominously, Biden even said that they "expected" the government to fall. So, it was always going to be a shit show.

It seems like the takeaway is to stop invading countries. It clearly doesn't do anything meaningful no matter how long we invest in it. Ground assaults just don't work after the 20th century. Not unless we're willing to take and occupy indefinitely, which I think we can both agree was not a realistic solution.

It didn't have to go this way though. Evacuation shouldn't have begun with troop withdrawal - that should have been the step just ahead of detonating the equipment we were leaving behind at Bagram....along with the facilities at Bagram.

You're still not thinking fourth dimensionally. We were counting on Afghanistan to remain stable until we were completely out.

And yet the generals warned that this would happen and no contingency was made for it...

Why on earth would we count on that after seeing what happened in Vietnam and Iraq after we pulled out?

Because we had convinced ourselves so hard that we won that when reality hit we were "totally shocked" In hindsight, you can say the Afghan government was never going to be stable enough to do what we thought we could do. In foresight, we thought it would hold for a few months at the very least.

Ground assaults would have absolutely worked if US forces were allowed to assault past the Pakistani border. If you can't stop your enemy from pulling back to safe ground to retreat you're never going to end the war. You want to place blame on someone for the fall of the country, place it on our "allies" in pakistan and the unwillingness of most of the afghani army to fight for the country they'd been building for the last 20 years. If you want to know who to blame for the absolutely moronic decision to pull out our troops BEFORE pulling out our noncombatants and allies then you need look no further than the president. Not to mention the incredible amount of US-produced military hardware that's now in the hands of modern day barbarians(Though I suppose the Afghanis deserve most of the blame on that front, Biden's actions immediately prior to the collapse certainly made things worse)

You're absolutely right.

Our commitment to leave did the most damage.

The alternative, however, wasn't realistic either.

My biggest issue with the whole deal isn't the withdrawal - the war was unwinnable due to the fact that they had an unassailable safe haven(our "ally") so there was no reason to stay any longer. My issue is that noncombatants weren't the first out, and why wasn't abandoned US equipment destroyed by drone/airstrike/SOMETHING before falling into the hands of the Taliban? I get that some of the civilians didn't believe the country was going to fall but I feel like the government should have at least stressed that the complete withdrawal of US forces was going to potentially have serious consequences. People who just weeks ago were acting like nothing was going to change are now ignoring warnings about potential attacks and heading to the airfield gates anyways while we're all stuck wondering if we're even going to be able to get everyone out in time for the Taliban's deadline.

Not all of it is Biden's fault by any means but I feel like certain things could've been handled way better and that some of those things(noncombatants/translators/etc out first) should have been common sense for someone with advisors who were educated at West Point and Annapolis. How could literally EVERYONE in power be so blind about what was going on? The entire intel community, apparently including our allies, had absolutely no idea that morale was so bad in the afghani army that they'd desert in mass?

There would be NO REASON to blame Trump as we would not be in this predicament with him as president. Trump bombed the shit out of isis and told the taliban that if one American gets hurt, he'll go and kill their whole family (look it up) before killing them. This is one thing goat f**kers understand.

You too are unable to conceive of holding Trump accountable.

You can't even imagine a world where you would do it.

And tough guy had 4 years to "bomb the shit out of isis" and yet in Feb 2020, he signed the full withdraw agreement with them. By the 1st of May, btw. 5kckwq.jpg (click to show)

You want me to hold Trump accountable for your list of IFs and Imaginary Worlds you live in??
lmfao

No. I am asking if Trump were President right now, and everything is happening in exactly the same way- who would you hold accountable?

The previous president who inked the deal and set the timeline (but did not provide a plan) or the current president trying to follow that agreement (and apparently didn't plan very well)?

President A or President B?

And so far, not one of you has been able to pick. Y'all go into "this would never happen!!!! does not compute DOES NOT COMPUTE!!"

That is your IF, isn't it?
And no, it wouldn't be happening exactly the same way for reasons listed above.

Like I said. You can't even comprehend answering the question.

I ain't no fluffer to your IFs

It's a simple question. Who do you hold responsible? The President who inked the deal and set the timeline or the President who pushed the deadline back and has poor execution on an evac plan?

It's an easy layup for you when it's Trump = President A and Biden = President B. Y'all are hitting that B button all day every day.

But as soon as we move it to Obama = President A and Trump = President B, y'all start rattling off essays about how this could never happen.

It's easy. It's a binary choice. Not hard.

Which one? A or B? Obama for inking the deal and setting a time line, or Trump for not being able to meet it?

Who do you hold responsible?

What if pigs could fly?

Wingstop would be selling those wings with sauce. That's what.