Even with Covid spreading among the vaccinated, the vaccines are working

No. Your numbers are lies. I don’t want your poison. Go to Hell.

You seem quite emotional.

Perhaps this topic is too big for you.

Feel free to stay so we can discuss it like adults or you can run along. No one will fault you for it.

What's to talk about? You're a liar selling poison. The not-vaccines are horrifically toxic. They're going to end up killing more people than covid. You're trying to persuade people to take them.

Get bent!

No thanks!

98% of hospitalizations are from unvaccinated.. but I have less than a .2% chance of being hospitalized while unvaccinated..

I’ll take my chances.

And how many of those hospitalizations were from illegal immigrants let loose into the US without so much as a cotton swab in the mouth?

Honestly, I don’t believe the number - could only be a handful of hospitalizations and 98% of the - let’s say five hospitalizations were unvaccinated. It’s just like the “Global warming” argument saying nearly 100% scientists agree - when they only inquired with 100 of the thousands of scientists present at the conference..

They will always spin the percentages to look big scary.

Hey, maybe you will make it. Maybe it won't effect you as bad as it does your nieces, your nephews, your friend's children, or God forbid, your own. Or maybe your parents, friend's parents, grandparents. Maybe.

And maybe all of those people have been vaccinated.

Personally, I think the risk of letting a virus run rampant without taking any precautions to contain it utterly irresponsible.

Yeah, not going to live in fear based on “what if’s”.

And I think the government forcing inoculation with an unapproved vaccine with serious adverse affects is irresponsible and reckless. I guess it’s all about perception.. but for me - it’s always reality over fear.

Clearly you are if you’re afraid of a vaccine.

You’re not wrong. It’s experimental - it’s untested.

Oh, it’s been tested.

By about 1 billion worldwide.

I don’t have the numbers of worldwide deaths but in the US, we’ve only had 3.

Calling me a freak is rather childish.

Though that is to be expected from those who refuse medicine.

That's not what VAERS says, but I wouldn't expect an NPC like you to understand that.

Ha… technically it’s still in testing. Those who take it are nothing more than lab rats. I’ll pass. If some of the short term issues are seizures and death.. I can’t wait to see what the long term ones are. You’re all going to be walking around with Bell’s Palsy or some shit.

Bell’s Palsy is treatable and in most cases fully recoverable.

Death? Not so much.

Correct - death being a small side effect of the vaccine.

Only by 3 in the US. And those were blood clots, which we now know about and can treat. It is unlikely that number will increase to 10 before the year is out.

No.. far more than 3. Even 10 for that matter. As far as blood clots - if you don’t detect them.. they can kind of kill you quickly. Not a risk I’m willing to take. I’ve survived Covid - numerous times likely. I have a thing called herd immunity. So I’m basically taking a vaccine that will do nothing for me - except the possibility of side effects - which can kill me.

Makes no sense. Remember, follow the science.

401 young people have died from covid. I’ve not been able to find hospitalization numbers but it is likely that is in the hundreds as well.

More reading on pediatric cases.

https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/04/19/pediatric-covid-cases-041921

Now, what you might have meant is that Covid isn’t a significant threat but to say it was never a threat, as it has killed, is a lie.

I won’t ask you how you bear to look in a mirror but I will ask you to do that research you beg people to do on their own.

401 in the US. All Covid.

Where are you getting your info that vaccines have killed and harmed more Americans than that?

I provided my sources... oh, but not the one for the chart... hold on...

There...

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3

Now, if you can provide your sources, I can doublecheck the validity of your statements. However, if you choose to not provide your sources or only criticize the source of mine, then I know you're being intellectually dishonest and aren't worth arguing any further.

I refuse to be pulled down into the mud by your abysmal attempts to make this personal.

Maybe you told someone else? I see no mention of VAERS by you. But I do see you calling me a liar and a freak often. Heh. The number indicated by VAERS, 6,207 deaths, was a report for any person who died after vaccination rather than the direct cause. Remember the popular argument that covid only affects some small percentage of the hundreds of thousand deaths? (Not true, by the way as we're no longer counting comorbidities this late in the game.) It's the same argument here. Not every person who died was the result of vaccines.
There here have only been 3 deaths with actual evidence to be linked to any of the covid vaccines.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2779731

These were all mostly linked specifically to the Johnson and Johnson vaccine and since then, health care workers have added safety measures to prevent patients receiving ANY vaccine from dying from a blood clot. Monitoring the patient for twenty minutes when these symptoms usually begin to appear.

You honestly have a higher chance from dying from Covid than to the vaccine.

Or don't. Vaccinated is the new Vegan. You hear them virtue signaling with 5 minutes of meeting them.

Stop trying to politicize vegan Ian and vaccines. You can get one no matter what your political ideology. Lol