50% of CDC, NIH, and FDA employees don't want to be injected with experimental vaccine.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd our smugly self-satisfied and many times vaccinated for COVID-19 -- wth all its deadly known and unknown side-effects -- leftists are curiously silent on this subject. I mean . . . when fifty percent of the science minded disagree with the official politically propagandized leftist approved 'science', there is a . . . huge . . . problem.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how come the deadliest virus in human history didn't decimate the homeless? No hygiene, no social distancing, no masks.

Yep . . . and also why during this 'plague' there were almost ZERO reported cases of the common cold or other routine forms of influenza. EVERYTHING was designated as COVID-19 and our leftists never asked ANY pertinent questions. They just blammed Trump for everything and then Biden for . . . absolutely . . . nothing.

Because PCR Tests (when they're not busy pumping out false positives) couldn't tell the difference between coronaviruses. Common cold, influenza, pneumonia, all coronavirus', all have the same symptoms. It also helped the narrative, so why bother fixing it.

Absolutely . . . and this scam worked because the average utterly hysterical, totally non-thinking, but completly feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings politically indoctrinated leftist mindlessly went along with what their politicians and leftist loyal mainstream media TOLD them . . . with the corrupt 'help' of certain scientists on the payroll.

I love how they spend half a decade programming leftards into echoing that feelings are more important than facts. Just in time for the scamdemic.

Yes . . . people right of center noticed that after Obama sanctioned the illegal spying on Trump based on a KNOWN disinformation doccument purchased from the Russians by Hillary Clinton and then impeached him AFTER THE INVESTIGATION cleared him and failed to get a conviction, the only possible way to defeat him in the upcoming 2020 election at that point was to use a fake influenza scare with a 99.8% survival rate AND start setting fires to Dem Party controlled cities in an effort to crash the economy -- scare the hell out of citizens -- and blame it all on Trump.

Then leftists wonder WHY intelligent people no longer trust the fiercely leftist loyal MSM, scientists on the Left's payroll, and anti-ethical leftist politicians.

For some it's too late - they're too far gone.

Oh my goodness. What is that grid? I can see it is memes but what is it. Impressive

It's our buddy Larry's FB collection of all his memes. Funny, he gets more traction here - with a whopping average of 2.8 upvotes per meme, then he does amongst his FB friends.

1 out of 500 people dying is a kinda high number dude.

Fake News.

This claim is based on testimony by Fauci and Marks in early May where both said around 50-60% of their employees were vaccinated in regards to the NIAID and FDA respectively. The CDC director failed to provide an estimate as she did not have those numbers at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW8MF98wCgs&ab_channel=CNBCTelevision

Given this was early May and not everyone was qualified for the vaccine yet, it's reasonable to assume more employees have been vaccinated. However, as I've asked ross09ya to provide proof that their claim isn't merely an outdated one, they've failed to comply and instead ridicule. It is also reasonable to assume they have none and are indeed taking a months old quote out of context.

As far as anyone knows, no NiAID and FDA employee have outright refused to take the vaccine.

There is no proof that only 50% are vaccinated at this time.

You have no information/data since May to support your claim.

Talk about fake news.

Exactly. YOU have no information/data since May to support your claim.

That is precisely my claim.

Wait…..

How do you know they haven’t?

Are you basing this on recent data or a hearing that happened in early May? If the latter then you don’t know how many people in the CDC, NIH, and FDA are vaccinated.

Despite your previous bad faith posting, I’m willing to give you a chance to source your claim.

Otherwise, it’s bogus.

(...done in good faith)

I asked first. Either show your source, or you automatically forfeit that the claim is bogus.

Your choice.

aw man, if we knew those were the rules we'd have asked for evidence of Russian collusion and the pee tapes five years ago and you would've had to forfeit your bogus claims ...dayum!!

You assume I made those claims.

That was about one man's career. This is over life and death of hundreds of millions of people. I guess one-man's career is more important to you.

yes I am assuming that you are libtarded, due entirely to the way you have presented in this thread

anyhoos...this is not and never has been about "saving lives", if it was we could've used hydroxychloriquine for that ....you can find links to a study on the nih website showing how successful both hydroxychloriquine and chloroquine were at treating the symptoms and acting as a prophylactic, preventing further infection ...this has always been about getting everyone vaxxed up

how many lives do you suppose might have been saved if fauci hadn't "debunked" Trump's wuhan intel claims (at the behest of his wuhan buddy Peter Daszak) and blocked the investigation?

Asking questions makes me a libtard? Very interesting.

HCQ has no medicinal benefit for treating Covid tho.

https://www.lupus.org/resources/hydroxychloroquine-plaquenil-coronavirus-covid19-questions-answers#:~:text=No.%20There%20is%20no,to%20start%20it%20now.

I see no links. One study isn't conclusive that HCQ was an effective treatment. The consensus of many studies is that it was not.

Probably none. That was about preventing accountability, not saving/losing lives. China just isn't likely to provide evidence in their defense that it was a lab leak, leaving it on the table as a possible origin. At the time, it was diplomatic to not shout down at China. Even Trump congratulated and thanked China for HELPING him early in 2020. So, most people's attitudes early on were diplomatically oriented. Things have changed since then since now we can focus on more important things now that we have an effective means to combat the virus. However, I sincerely doubt the Democrats will go along with seeking accountability from China.

But stranger things have happened but that just devolves the conversation to speculation and I'm only interested in facts.

'HCQ has no benefits treating Covid' is the BS lie The Lancet Report had to retract.

I just looked at that report and if you can see the look on my face, I'm sure you would grin.

However, that is one dismissive study of dozens, if not hundreds, since then. There has been no conclusive evidence to support HCQ efficacy for covid.

The Lancet Report was redacted because they failed to let a third-party review the study due to concerns of patient-treatment. While this does make one dismissive report dubious, that doesn't make the few who concluded otherwise true.

none? you can't be serious!?

if we had a proper investigation into the lab leak theory, you don't think that would have had any impact on the numbers of dead/sick...if our doctors/scientists actually knew what they were looking for ...you don't think that would help?

even if china refused to allow anyone in, you don't think that would have had a major impact on people around the world? on the vaccine development? I mean, there's a world of difference in developing a vaccine for an illness and developing a vaccine for something that was created in a lab specifically to kill ...do you think people would be rolling their sleeves up to take an experimental drug designed to counteract the effects of a virus designed to kill? making a virus deadly is exactly what the end game is for the GoF research fauci funded there

the dems won't seek accountability, Biden is in china's pocket thanks to his drug addict son

You don't think we tried? We went through WHO and the UN. Trump's overall response was to pull out, not investigate. That would not have gotten us any closer to finding the origin of the virus. And waiting for that information, rather than reacting to it with the best data we had, would've cost more lives.

If you wanted China to have accountability, then Trump should've invaded the country to find the truth. Because that was the only way he was going to get it.

Fortunately, I think everyone can say that would've been a waste of resources.

Waaaaaaahhhh Twump baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

Is it me? Or does it look like sparks of glowing sulphur are just busting to get out as they dance behind that salivating-over-the-prospect-of-death polyurethane mask that is Cuomo's mug? I mean, I can hear the Damian music thundering, and I am seriously beginning to get frightened here.

[Not to make light of the people dead because of these shitters]

no, requests for help were made, Trump wanted a full scale investigation ...IAAE style, fauci blocked it

Should've would've could've...

Maybe if Trump focused on containing the virus instead of trying, and failing, to jumpstart the economy, he would've gotten a second term.

And could've launched that investigation when the gatekeepers relented.

here's the link to the study which confirms the efficacy of both Chloroquine and Hydroxychloriquine I found thru the nih website ...I'l try and retrace my steps and get the NIH page

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0924857920300996?via%3Dihub&fbclid=IwAR0Wm9PY7numslMqWm7z-ULoWzwdquJssMXNWiuVPHdiTk8_xiqRkZ0qfrU

I'll repeat.

"One study isn't conclusive that HCQ was an effective treatment"

Studies before and since have concluded that it wasn't effective.

I wonder why they didn't do more given the runaway success of that one ...maybe they did and we just haven't found them yet ...they certainly don't promote them, do they?!

No amount of peer reviewed studies would be enough to convince you, you're clearly too far gone

Supposedly the Lancet study was enough to convince them that HCQ wasn't enough. Ironically, that study was redacted. Other studies were done, however, it appears none were reliable enough to corroborate or replicate the results that HCQ was, in fact, effective against covid.

<<Asking questions makes me a libtard? Very interesting.>> I neither said nor implied that

if you can't debate your points without reframing the other persons words don't debate

anyhoos...i said "the way you have presented" for a further example of that, just look at your response here! you just reframed/made something up so you could make a point

You did, actually, imply that.

"yes I am assuming that you are libtarded, due entirely to the way you have presented in this thread"

My comments so far in presentation:

"How do you know they haven’t?

Are you basing this on recent data or a hearing that happened in early May? If the latter then you don’t know how many people in the CDC, NIH, and FDA are vaccinated.

Despite your previous bad faith posting, I’m willing to give you a chance to source your claim.

Otherwise, it’s bogus."

Mostly a question in regards to the source of the claim made by the OP. Not only that, but claiming it to be fake news. These are not indicitive of any political ideology. Both parties engage in such behavior. Perhaps because I did not blindly accept the statement of someone who is more obvious to share some of your political ideologies than myself, you made an incorrect assumption.

Regardless, your assumption that I am liberal is incorrect. I'm a conservative.

"if you can't debate your points without reframing the other persons words don't debate"

My point was made without reframing. The OP actually reframed and made a poor assumption. They got called out for it. You accused me of taking a political side in this debate. I did not. If anything, you did.

"you just reframed/made something up so you could make a point"

I've made nothing up.

Also reframing and making things up is not indictive of political ideologies too.

Besides, what does it matter who I vote for? Are you claiming that people who vote differently from you are so unreasonable that you cannot argue with them?

It seems to me that that is not very productive in regards to meaningful debate. If you don't want to debate then I can only assume you're here to ridicule and I've no interest in that.

Yes, and Paski was asked about the number of WH staff that was vaccinated.

So, none. I shall then dispute your claim in a new chain since you want to make this about only pettiness.

<<Maybe if Trump focused on containing the virus>>

you mean like that time he shut down flights from Chy-Na and the Dems called him racist/xenophobic....then a month later they were complaining that he didn't shut the airports down fast enough!?

They didn't tho. No one stopped him from limiting travel in and out of the US. Nor did anyone specifically call him xenophobic enacting that travel ban which was not just to China but European countries as well. He did claim people did, but they didn't. However, Biden did call him xenophobic afterward.

<<Supposedly the Lancet study was enough to convince them that HCQ wasn't enough>>

There were no studies done in America because fauci banned it's use ...until mitch mcconnell conceded the election ...and then without any fanfare the cdc withdrew the ban

this has been about politics from day one

Fauci did not ban it's use. He restricted access so that people wouldn't try to corner the market on it and prevent the people who actually needed HCQ, mostly those with lupus like my Grandmother, from getting it. My Grandma got her HCQ just fine, and so did many other people. Just not for covid.

Maybe you think it's all about politics but the evidence doesn't support that.