The vaccine has been very harmful to many people.

Not sure why you're worried about a vaccine with a 99.9987% survival rate.

We've had this conversation already: VAERS is a self-reporting tool that the CDC uses as a starting point for follow-ups. It is not and never has been a verified source of vaccine death statistics.

One guy used VAERS to claim the vaccine turned him into the Incredible Hulk.

Antithesis is correct in this. Upvote from me.

You really think the CDC is going to look into vaccine deaths when not only are they profiting off the vaccine, but they had admitted to spiking the number of covid deaths?

They DO look into vaccine deaths, that's what VAERS is for. The CDC runs that and follows up on any self-reporting on vaccing injuries. And they're on it, too - you get the phone call inquiring about your case pretty much immediately.

Then why not display that data? If you have the link to that I'd like to see it. Or better yet, if the vaers report is wrong, alter it?

They do indeed display the results of their follow-up inquiries. I've not seen you guys use that information even once when talking about VAERS. Turns out, it's easy to say that you'd like to see it, even when you haven't actually made the effort to, like, see it.

I don't know about VAERS or what you guys are talking about. And with the many inconsistencies and outright lies surrounding covid, how can I believe anything. The next comment I post is going to contain some of my questions on covid and the way it was handled. I posted it elsewhere so I am just gonna copy it word for word. Sorry, I don't have time to type a whole bunch of things out all the time just to have people dismiss it and not read it or answer it.

Well, understand that time is a commodity in short supply for us all, so if I read your mini-essay and process it enough to give you a mature response, will you be open to the possibility that you have several misconceptions that need to be revised?

Because nobody has time to respond to bad faith arguments. Not me, not anybody. If your intention is to just suck my time into arguing in circles, the answer's no.

Mini essay. LOL.
Believe me buddy, quite often it is the word limit that slows me down.

There are a few topics that I will never be open to, but I doubt this discussion will lead into that. And besides, if something can't stand up to scrutiny, how can it be taken as fact?

Granted, I will read the person's article or whatever in order to counter it thoroughly instead of just saying "shithead you're wrong". But in saying I will never be open to those things I mean I will never change my stance on them. Not that I won't take time to read a different opinion on something.

Everything I type or say can be scrutinized, and except for a few things that I have accepted as core truths, I can be convinced if it is logical.
But you didn't want to argue in circles so as to the subject at hand, I expect you to be as open as you want me to. Also I should forewarn you not to link news articles as I don't trust them. And I dare say there is plenty of articles out there to counter each other. So then it just turns into two people linking articles that neither fully understands and little is said in the form of original thought, it is just sending links to what another said, and probably their biased opinion at that.
Yes, I am open to what you have to say.

Well, then, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather just cut straight to what I'd like you to reflect upon rather than spend my time going over point by point over things you've already committed your stance to. And by the sounds of it, that's probably what everyone else was thinking when they straight up ignored your wall of text as well.

Your style of arguing just does not work for the context of a casual forum of strangers. Maybe if we were both academic professors, we spend the kind of time on the kind of discussion you're looking for going point by point in peer-reviewed publications, but we'd be paid to do that. Imgflip is a hobby - none of us are paid to put our time into this, it's a passtime.

In general, when someone is willing to delve deep into one topic and really get the details out on it, I'm there. I'll break down the whole chain of reasoning and get right down to the methodology of how we get to the truth. But if you're still at "how come South Korea knows how to handle SARS better than Kentucky does?" and a dozen more misconceptions aside, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to pin someone like you down and say "ok, we're doing this point by point. Keep an open mind. Ready?" Because hitting me with a dozen talking points at once is not a good faith way of opening that.

I am aware I made more points. I am just saying that they all connect and are not a bunch of random jargon. If you don't want to address them all then pick one. I didn't mean that there are only two but I see how it could be taken that way so I apologize for the miscommunication.
I guess I should have had it peer reviewed. Too bad, that's not my style.

How can you say I do not address my mistakes when I already apologized for something.

And I did not copy it from reddit, I copied it from one other place on Imfglip that I typed!
It was from this meme:
imgflip.com/i/5esadp#com12820564
There is only seven comments and it is the first.

I regret mentioning the part about time in my first comment. I am sorry as I should have been more specific and I should have clarified it in my third reply to you. I was merely giving a reason why one might see the same comment elsewhere. And I had hoped you might humor me a little by addressing my points.

"Your style of arguing just does not work for the context of a casual forum of strangers. Maybe if we were both academic professors, we spend the kind of time on the kind of discussion you're looking for going point by point in peer-reviewed publications, but we'd be paid to do that. Imgflip is a hobby - none of us are paid to put our time into this, it's a passtime."
Are you familiar with Octavia Melody? I like to think I use his style. Copies or mention the point you are addressing and address it. Like I am doing now.

"In general, when someone is willing to delve deep into one topic and really get the details out on it, I'm there."
I thought you just said Imgfliip is a hobby and not a place to spend time like academic professors going point by point in peer reviewed publications. As delving deep into one topic and really getting into details goes, I would think that would be up your alley.

At this point I want to point out that I do not think you are being altogether mature in your responses to me. First you call my little comment a "mini essay" then you go to another extreme by insinuating I want point by point peer reviewed publications. That is not what I want.
I want a counter with some substance to it more than just "shithead you're wrong". If that part made you think I am looking for peer reviewed points you need to revise your thinking of me and go for a more moderate approach.

In the beginning there was two points that all of my other points come from, lies and inconsistencies. I did not make a dozen points so I do not know how you can say there are a dozen more misconceptions.

No. No no no no. Lies and inconsistency might be the two themes behind your points but there were some half a dozen or so talking points each of which is a careful conversation in their own right. You do not get to tell me that they are really only two points. That is not correct and this is what I mean by arguing in bad faith - I can already see you trying to snow me under with more points than any person could address in one flow of conversation and I think you're doing that deliberately. I can already see you're getting ready to jump between point to point while addressing none of your mistakes while I spend my day trying to keep up.

And don't forget, it's not just you - there's tens of thousands if not millions of people on the Internet trying to waste my time in this manner. I wouldn't be able to engage with all of you even if I wanted to.

The answer's no. Spend your own time, not mine. You've had a year to do some proper research on this and all you've done is copy and pasted some reddit post you thought sounded smug.

Part 2

"rather than spend my time going over point by point over things you've already committed your stance to."
I already told you I am open to what you have to say, what more do you want? The promise of an instant belief of anything you say?

"And by the sounds of it, that's probably what everyone else was thinking when they straight up ignored your wall of text as well."
I think you lot do not want a challenge and would rather have someone instantly believe what you say without question. Plus it is kind of hard to argue against common sense. And people have a hard time admitting they are in the wrong.

"Because hitting me with a dozen talking points at once is not a good faith way of opening that."
Well hitting me with extreme misconceptions about me is not a good way to open a discussion in good faith.

All this talk about time and you could have been addressing my points. Again, I was wrong for mentioning it as I was just explaining why one might see the same copied comment. I did not intend to have a discussion about time so I shouldn't have mentioned it.

In the beginning Churches were prohibited from opening. They couldn't even hold services outside. Not even little Churches with less than a dozen active members. But no one bothered to stop or complain about the thousands of protesters gathered in streets and on bridges.
Gyms, a place where people goes to get in shape, was closed while McDonalds and other unhealthy restaurants was allowed to remain open.
Despite being a highly contagious virus, Kentucky with roughly the same amount of land as South Korea, has triple the cases of deaths and infected as South Korea, which also has ten times the population as Kentucky. So rural Kentucky has more covid cases than tightly packed South Korea. And remember it is highly contagious.
The mask either works or it don't. It can't magically work when everyone wears it and not work if one out of a hundred does not wear it. Yet not once did the media question if their gear was sufficient enough, if anyone gets sick while wearing the mask and social distancing they just blamed it on someone else not complying.
The virus has to be airborne. And being airborne that little mask isn't going to do squat against tiny germs. If you believe it will, wear it when someone fires teargas at you, or wear it around someone smoking. Or just realize that if you are breathing without an air tank, any germs in the air is being breathed in. And that is why people following the piss poor guidelines still got sick.
Back to gyms and unhealthy eating, why was no emphasis made on eating healthy or working out? Just wear the mask and social distance.
Even if it was solely spread by water droplets, which it's not, I didn't realize that many people actually talked with each other. Nearly everyone I meet is walking around with their eyes glued to a phone. Now how is anyone going to be getting water droplets on one another if they are not talking? Sneezing perhaps? I suppose it is moot to point out that the contagious fella sneezing had to first catch it... and if he is wearing the mask it oughta stop it from spreading, right? Not when it's airborne. The media's denial of this is damning. People died believing they was doing something helpful when they was just sorely unequipped.
And now I am supposed to trust them about the vaccine? The media's denial of people getting sick and some dying from taking the vaccine does not redeem any lost trust in the plethora of lies, deceit, and inconsistencies already surrounding covid.

"And don't forget, it's not just you - there's tens of thousands if not millions of people on the Internet trying to waste my time in this manner. I wouldn't be able to engage with all of you even if I wanted to."

My third mistake, thinking you was some sort of intellectual and mature person worthy of having a discussion with. You accuse me of not addressing my mistakes when I did. It is you who have yet to acknowledge your mistake in regards to your thoughts on me.

I do not think you are capable of delving into detail. You don't even notice my acknowledging my mistake which was the first part of my reply to you.
I do not think you can counter my points and to save face you will bluster your way out by insinuating that I am like the millions of others out to waste your time and that it is impossible to address a handful of points.
Octavia Melody does it quite well, why can't you?

I have had a year at gathering intel on the inconsistencies and lies regarding covid. And the points I listed are the biggest ones. And I do not think you have an answer so you will bluster your way out of engaging in a discussion.
You bluster about good faith and being open but are not sincere yourself.

OpenVAERS
VAERS is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System put in place in 1990. It is a voluntary reporting system that has been estimated to account for only 1% (see the Lazarus Report) of vaccine injuries.

https://www.openvaers.com/

They are saying it's 40 times the reported account as only 1 in 40 doctors report adverse side effects. That means we are at 200,000 deaths from the vaccine.

why are the republicans so dumb

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