Innocent Children Need PROTECTION & Not ABUSE

Nothing wrong with being gay. Just with pretending you are a different gender and expecting the world to care or listen.

As gender is not the physical characteristics, I have no way of knowing if someone is pretending or not. Much like a profession of love or faith.

As it doesn't impact me and I can't prove any differently, I'll go along. As far as children...if a child wants it, they convince their parents, and they find a doctor willing, then I consider that acceptable. It is worrisome, and the idea of passing restrictions such as requiring a psych consult might be a good middle ground.

There are anecdotal examples of transgender people who go through reassignment surgery or hormone blockers regretting it, but life is full of regrets.

There are no laws relating to plastic surgery for minors that I know of as long as they have parental consent.

Children are innocent and need to be protected as they seek their way in a world fraught with danger. They cannot make adult decisions and are impressionable little people. Please don't support adults taking advantage of their vulnerability & go along with it as it is anything but "acceptable", Sleeping_dragon.

Child protection is important to me as I have witnessed a complete reversal of parental responsibility to the point of child abuse in this country. Liberal parents are often raising their kids with the attitude that "choosing your gender" is "normal" behavior. Or, what fun to see a "gay pride" parade or listen to stories via drag queens. If you don't think this influences little minds, you do not understand children. Adults make decisions for themselves; let children be children without this "agenda of diversity" forced upon them.

You know people raising their kids with that attitude? I don’t. Sounds like a boogie man.

Could people take advantage? Sure. As with all things.

Let children be children without your agenda of non-diversity. Men wearing dresses! Oh my stars and garters!

I understand kids and peer pressure. A kid isn’t going to identify as trans and go through that level is judgement on a whim. Some kids might experiment, but so what? Freedom, baby!

Any sort of hormones or surgery would require a doctor to be involved and even if you think a doctor is going to ignore a situation where a kid seems like they don’t want to go through with it, they aren't going to risk future lawsuits and being disbarred.

So again, with the layers of protection inherent in a kid making the decision, a parent being convinced, and a doctor agreeing to treatment,I am generally comfortable. I would hope and expect any number of others involved (nurses, teachers, grandparents) would report abuse if this were to breakdown.

Teaching kids to accept that your internal gender and external sex don't necessarily match or that boys can marry boys or girls can marry girls is but abuse. The treatment of gay and trans children by "well meaning" parents trying to "fix"them in there other hand might just be child abuse it endangerment.

Yes there are irresponsible parents. Always have been, always will be.

"with the layers of protection inherent in a kid making the decision"
Come on, Man!
You can be a dragon if you want to be! Let children be the innocent & gentle souls that they inherently are...

Chilling Changes Are Coming Out of the Biden Administration's HHS Redefining Sex

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2021/05/15/chilling-changes-are-coming-out-of-the-biden-administrations-hhs-redefining-sex-n2589520

That article is trash. Bidens eo relating to the civil Rights act and trans individuals have them the save protectons from discriminatiin others have. That's it.

If you think that kids are going to be easily manipulated into being something that aren't, then you don't think kids are innocent- you think they are dumb and weak willed.

I had enough trying getting my daughter to wear certain underwear because the seems bothered her or pants in the winter because they weren't something a princess would wear... Thankfully those issues were at separate times. Getting my kids to help around the house... Maybe my kids are just more hard headed.

Our daughter just wanted to wear dresses, too, so it sounds like your daughter is just fine. Kids can decide what they prefer to wear....a separate issue is for them to decide they want to be the opposite sex (complete with revision surgery w/ Dr. Levine overseeing it).

You said, "If you think that kids are going to be easily manipulated into being something that aren't, then you don't think kids are innocent- you think they are dumb and weak willed."

There are many instances you can Google where kids are manipulated into this state of "choosing your own gender" as they are innocent humans. Having raised two kids, I know how smart kids are and the influence parents can have on their children. Along with this comes the 'peer group' which is sometimes an even greater influence. Today, we have liberalism as a third participant in the room bringing 'crazy' to a new level. Hands off our kids!

I looked and didn't see much. Looks like a lot of parents in divorce where one embraces their gender identity and the other doesn't.

I'm not denying that there is a potential for grooming and sexual predators to take advantage of children. But to assume that parents going along with gender confirmation are doing that is not fair. If you want to pass some sort of law or even just get medical professionals to agree to some standard of a second opinion or psych evaluation before going through with this sort of thing, that actually sounds like a safety measure to try and prevent a mistake.

But to quote you on the gun debate: criminals don't obey the law. Just like there are doctors who will prescribe pain meds, I'm sure you could find one who would give you puberty blockers. Or you can probably find them online.

To stick with the theme, you are hurting kids whose parents are willing to follow the rules but probably not doing much to stop someone who is a predator.

I'm more concerned about rules like this one for Mississippi "The age of consent is twenty-one. With parental consent, males can marry at seventeen and females can marry at fifteen." Why would girls and guys have a different age? I'm not deflecting, I'm pointing out that you are focused on a very indirect method of grooming while there are still very direct methods that aren't being addressed. Should we remove the ability for parents to consent for people under 18 to marry? I'm actually borderline cool with that...I don't like the idea of the government managing parenting...but... In the end I come down on the difficulty of managing such a thing and the fact that, as is often stated, criminals don't care about the law.

You asked.... "You know people raising their kids with that attitude? I don’t. Sounds like a boogie man." I am answering....

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They gave birth and love their children. And they want to remind you 'not all pregnant people are women.'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gave-birth-love-children-want-131522651.html

Fair - however I had the impression (not as clear as I remember on reread) that you were saying the parents were taking advantage. As in trying to make them trans.

Gender identity might not match sex. If you find allowing that that might be the case is abuse, I disagree.

I personally would go ahead and gender the kids and be open to correcting later, but I try to stay out of the business of parenting others kids.

Not getting a child medically necessary treatment is child abuse.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-states-stop-interfering-health-care-transgender-children
"Empirical evidence has demonstrated that trans and non-binary gender identities are normal variations of human identity and expression. For gender diverse individuals, standards of care and accepted medically necessary services that affirm gender or treat gender dysphoria may include mental health counseling, non-medical social transition, gender-affirming hormone therapy, and/or gender-affirming surgeries. Clinical guidelines established by professional medical organizations for the care of minors promote these supportive interventions based on the current evidence and that enable young people to explore and live the gender that they choose. Every major medical association in the United States recognizes the medical necessity of transition-related care for improving the physical and mental health of transgender people."

In looking at a few other sources, it looks like requiring a letter of referral from a qualified mental health professional is also the standard before starting any treatments.

If you want to take all such decisions out of the hands of parents, I would also expect that circumcisions are also something you want to do away with, also children being allowed to marry with parental consent prior to being legal adults? Parents also can't be trusted for things like vaccines, am I right? Or is this really about how it makes you feel?

The kid is not competent to self- mutilate yet

Some kids are more competent than parents.

We rarely agree, but on this we are in agreement: parents are sometimes incompetent.

Not legally. And dumber does not turn dumb into smart.

There you go again, using common sense and reason, DrS! Unfortunately, our opposition embraces reverse psychology, backwards thinking & child endangerment as they force their way to the NWO. Children are children and cannot make adult decisions. Leftists can't either so they defer to preschoolers and elementary kids to do their dirty work. Thank you for your rational approach...

Does that apply to any reconstructive surgery, plastic surgery, or cosmetic procedure? Or just the ones that tickle your personal preferences and biases?

Depends on what and why.

That's fair. I would imagine cleft pallet or things deemed 'reconstructive' would be fine with you.

What about for religious reasons? I don't know of a religion that would have an exception, but I could see a denomination deciding that getting gender confirmation is better than a man lying with a man as with a woman. I'm sure most would say it doesn't matter, but there will always be somebody.

Would that then fall under a religious exception? If not, I will point out that there are groups that find circumcision to be barbaric. Genital mutilation of an infant who obviously can't consent.