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Reparations? Been answered before- The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. | KIND OF IRONIC ISN'T IT? THE UNION SOLDIERS WHO FOUGHT THE CONFEDERATES COULD FORGIVE THEM AND MOVE ON. 156 YEARS LATER PEOPLE WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT DEMAND OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT HAVE TO PAY, THOUGH THE BILL HAS BEEN PAID. | image tagged in forgive | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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9 ups, 4y,
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graveyard cemetary | WHEN LIBERALS TALK ABOUT REPARATIONS OWED I SHOW THEM A CIVIL WAR CEMETERY | image tagged in graveyard cemetary | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
7 ups, 4y
Yup. Except most of them are too damn dumb to understand. Good one- you should post it.
6 ups, 4y
Exactly 580,000 white men were killed in the civil war. That’s a huge blood debt and it has been paid.
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5 ups, 4y
Sorry, “forgiveness” and “understanding” aren’t part of today’s nomenclature. These days you have to toe the line of your party and race or you’re a racist yourself.
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3 ups, 4y,
1 reply
It's a trick, it's not about the reparations...it has something to do with a road
5 ups, 4y,
1 reply
The road to hell paved with good intentions? But seriously, I've not heard of the road issue. Can you shed some light on that?
1 up, 4y,
2 replies
Caesar Fl | SO UNGRATEFUL! THE UNION         WENT AS FAR AS          RECONSTUCTION,          TURNING THE SOUTH INTO THE BUCOLIC HEAVEN IT WAS BORN TO BE | image tagged in caesar fl | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
6 ups, 4y,
1 reply
Yeah, ungrateful, my great great grandfather lost a leg, his farm he and everything he owned fighting on the Union side. Speaking of ungrateful, I don't appreciate your shit ass "humor".
0 ups, 4y
Major bummer!
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3 ups, 4y,
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Good grief, you don’t actually buy into the Southern-propagated myth that Reconstruction was a bad thing, do you?

That was a lie touted by racist organizations like the Daughters of the Confederacy. I can suggest good historical sources if you want to learn actual facts about Reconstruction.
0 ups, 4y,
1 reply
Nope! No purchase required, facts are free!
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1 up, 4y
...so you do in fact believe the lies touted by racist Southerners after the war?
3 ups, 4y
w u t
3 ups, 4y
2 ups, 4y
Well said.
3 ups, 4y,
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5 ups, 4y,
1 reply
The Union sacrificed 360,222 men to free blacks from slavery. The debt owed to those historically enslaved has already been fully paid in blood.
1 up, 4y,
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0 ups, 4y,
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...and subject to the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments immediately thereafter.

Honestly, are you that stupid? Do you realize that if the loyal border states had turned traitor as well then the Union may well have lost the war? If that happened there would be a C.S.A in which slavery was legal LONG after it was actually abolished in the Loyalist border states.

Perhaps take into account ALL aspects and effects of a war before making inane remarks.
0 ups, 4y,
1 reply
Read a history book about history from the past!
Get over it!
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1 up, 4y,
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LOL

I've avidly studied history for over two decades. Don't go telling me that I don't know anything.

You should read 'Grant' by Ron Chernow. If you survive the 900-page reality check it'll be for you, and you don't like it, then present to me specific arguments showing why his source material is incorrect. If you do that, then I'll listen to you. Otherwise you are just making stuff up.
0 ups, 4y,
1 reply
Can't wait until you reach the chapters on the reasons the Civil War was fought, Border States, Emancipation Proclamation, Reconstruction, and why the Civil Rights Movement was needed a century later!
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0 ups, 4y,
1 reply
I've written essays on the subject. Curb your condescension or earn yourself a mute.
0 ups, 4y,
2 replies
Then you have plenty to research for your next Revisionist History 101 class book report.
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0 ups, 4y,
1 reply
And yet you are incapable of citing any of these so-called 'hypothetical scenarios' or debunking any of my claims with any information from legitimate sources...therefore I'm going to conclude you are a troll looking for attention and am blocking you. Cheers.
0 ups, 4y
Hope that clears up your confusion!
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0 ups, 4y,
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Revisionist History?? All I said was that the Union sacrificed hundreds of thousands of soldiers to destroy the CSA. Then you observed, correctly, that the Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to loyalist Union slave states. What you are failing to comprehend is that this was not explicit Union condonement of slavery...it was the recognition that if the free states declared war on all slave states then the border slave states would be driven to the CSA camp, and thus tip the balance of power in the war.

You clearly are not a scholar of military strategy and theory, but at least try to understand this: Had the Union declared war on all slave states, then the CSA would have gained enough power to hold them off until the Union populace grew tired of fighting and sued for peace. Lincoln knew this, which was why he had to tread such a delicate road. While he loathed slavery, he could not abolish it immediately without condemning countless slaves in the south to permanent servitude. By keeping the Loyalist states in the Union fold he was able to leverage enough resources to utterly crush the South militarily. At that point he began, along with support from notable Abolitionist senators in Congress, to really push the 13th Amendment through the legal system. He also began the arduous process of Reconstruction, which was designed to help give the newly-freed blacks a start and then rebuild Southern society in a way that abandoned its horribly racist roots.

That was Lincoln's masterstroke: By leveraging border state loyalty to the Union during the war, they were forced to peacefully abandon slavery after the 13th Amendment went through or massively betray their wartime logic of 'Union>our values". Any other choice made by Lincoln would have meant the CSA could conceivably be a nation for decades afterwards, and I 100% guarantee you it would have been a worse fate for the blacks trapped there.

Now, obviously Lincoln's assassination threw a wrench in the works. We then got Andrew Johnson in office. He remains, in my opinion, the worst President in U.S history. He almost single-handedly destroyed the progress of the Reconstruction movement and seeded the beginnings of the Jim Crow-era 'underhanded racism' that pervaded the next century. U.S Grant, one of my favorite Presidents, fought mightily over two terms to undo Johnson's damage. Grant pushed the 14th and 15th amendments through Congress, virtually destroyed the KKK and other white groups, and [cont]
0 ups, 4y
Excuse me, revisonist history based on hypothetical scenarios rendered increasingly irrelevant over the course of 150 years in which they did not take place.

Hope that clarifies your partisan fanfiction confusion!
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0 ups, 4y
got the 1st Civil Rights Act passed in (I think) 1873. This meant that less than a decade after the conclusion of the Civil War Lincoln and Grant had secured for black Americans full and equal civil liberties. Unfortunately for us, Reconstruction failed and the insidious influence of Southern Democrats and their wretched organizations like the KKK managed to push us into the Jim Crow Era. It was not until the 1960's, as you again correctly pointed out, that we as a nation had the courage to push back against these racist Democrat institutions and pass the 2nd Civil Rights Act, finishing the work that Lincoln and Grant started.

Again, if you want to make substantive disagreements with this, I encourage you to specifically cite locations in 'Grant' (by Ron Chernow) or any of his sources and explain to me in detail why I'm incorrect. Unless you can do that, I encourage you to not waste your time responding to me with petty insults and baseless accusations...anyone reading this can easily enough pick up a copy of 'Grant' or its sources and see that I'm correct here.
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1 up, 4y,
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How dod you get so full of shit? Oh, full of yourself, that explains everything.
1 up, 4y,
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It most certainly "dod"!

Reading is fundamental!
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1 up, 4y,
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Understanding is the pinnacle. How does it feel to be such a hate filled under achiever? Clearly you have no potential to live up to and no prospects. You are such a bitter and meaningless, pathetic imposter of vibrant life. Every comment you make is full of venom and underachievement.
1 up, 4y,
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1 up, 4y,
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Statement of facts is not a meltdown. I admit, surely you are the most perfect human being who has ever lived, never fat fingering a single word. All hail your perfection! Perfect in arrogance, perfect in ignorance perfect in stupidity and perfect in worthlessness. Perfect in contributing nothing meaningful in conversation or life. Perfect in hate, perfect in divisiveness, perfect Marxist Useful Idiot. Perfectly useless. Perfectly oblivious.
1 up, 4y
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