They are adapting...

Rapists, serial killers, and terrorists should live but millions of babies have no right to live?

Well... Looks like you totally failed to understand my point. Not sure if I want to bother clarifying or not.

Then why don't you clarify if everyone keeps "misrepresenting" you?

Seems JAWILLI basically got it although it's not necessarily black and white like that.. relieved at least one person here kind of did. Although I suppose it's possible the others did too, they just didn't want to address it.

And as far as BigPig.... theoretically, if you were going to make an argument against me as far as morality alone, it seems to me it wouldn't be that murderers and babies are equal..... it would be that babies are less innocent than murderers (considering they would get a death sentence and the other would not...) Kind of like where Zachary's comment was going.

But ya.. to spell it out I have heard it's far cheaper to incarcerate someone for life than to have them on death row to eventually get the death penalty.. Also.. if abortion became illegal, I can't help but think many of those babies who would have otherwise been aborted are going to end up being born dependent on welfare$, food stamp$, and possibly even eventually ending up in jail...... And.......... It would seem safe to assume more of these babies who might have been aborted would be born into Dem homes..... (Assuming repubs don't get abortions at anywhere near the same rate as dems.. but its possible some amount of repubs are actually hypocrites and do get abortions while claiming to want to end abortion.. idk)

Ah so taking millions of lives is a much better alternative than the chance that they’ll be born into a low income household

Is that per year or what? Hard to imagine what a sh*t hole America will become if Roe v Wade ever gets reversed. Seems to me the last thing we need is millions more people....let alone millions more people on welfare.

Morally I generally think mid-late term abortions are not good and I think most women would agree (?) but as a man I will never have to make that decision... (And I would tend to think these are considerably more rare than earlier term ones anyway but idk.)

Going by averages there would be a little over 1 million US abortions every 2 years.

How about you walk me through exactly what happens in the mid-late term that no longer makes it morally ok to abort

Well.. size, shape, brain, etc.. basically it gets bigger and arguably more "conscious" of stuff.. possibly it's own existence. Although personally I don't remember a single day inside the womb I imagine it's possible some might... most likely very late in the term.

How about you? When does it become not okay? I imagine you wouldn't have a problem morally with the day after pill but maybe I'm wrong. Is killing a fertilized egg ok? How about the sperm itself?

The problem with that is as soon as you draw a line the logic can be applied elsewhere. For example, if not being fully developed makes it morally ok to take the life then one could also kill a newly born baby, as brain function isn't complete, the head and other bones aren't fully formed and so on.

I myself stand firm that life begins at conception, since at that point brand new separate DNA is created. I am fine with any birth control measures beforehand, but do not approve of the day after pill. However in the hypothetical situation that I be president I might just let it slide for the sake of compromise.

Killing sperm itself that hasn't combined with the egg is fine.

Naw... Once baby's born, it's born. If nothing else, the va**na is the line.. no gray area there. And sure if brain development was the only factor, theoretically you could abort 21 year olds but that's obviously ridiculous.

Conception?? Wow. That's like stepping on a bug as far as I'm concerned.

If I was president I'd try to keep abortion safe, accessible, legal and rare.

I just read an article about a woman who's doctor discovered late in her pregnancy (3rd trimester) some brain abnormality that if her baby was born it would likely seize to death.. or best case scenario would be it surviving birth but having seizures 70% of the time in its life. And idk.. forcing that woman to bring that baby into this world just seems wrong. If the baby had already been born when they found out, that would suck but idk..if they're already born, they're already born.

Classic liberal argument against a reply: “You just didn’t understand my point.”

It’s pretty obvious what you’re trying to say. Stop pretending and making up other artificial points out of your convoluted meme.

And it’s called a “medal”

Ah.. I see correcting that f*cked up the steam of comments here..

Anyway I guess I'll have to explain it to you, baby girl..... Your meme has nothing to do with mine. I'm talking about cost, you're trying to drag morality into it as so many others here did. (An interesting tactic that I'd bet you and they would abandon when it comes to other issues.... Coronavirus for one...)

Also the fetus dies, the convict lives so.. therefore they're equal??? theoretically the moral claim would not be that they're equally innocent, it would be that babies are LESS innocent.. if you're trying to throw shade that should've been your move. Good effort though.

Somewhat off topic but I'm not entirely convinced a lifetime in prison > death anyway.. and considering the suicide rate is roughly 4x as high in prison than among civilians, I don't think inmates are either.

“I'm talking about cost.”
I KNOW. You literally said FISCAL in your meme. And you gave zero evidence for how it’s more expensive to keep abortions legal and to let convicts live.

“You’re trying to drag morality into it as so many others here did.”
Yeah. Because you don’t elaborate at all on the cost.

“An interesting tactic that I'd bet you and they would abandon when it comes to other issues.... Coronavirus for one...”
We mourn their losses, and even I’m not antimask or anti-social distancing.

“Also the fetus dies, the convict lives so.. therefore they're equal???”
Can you give me some logic?

“theoretically the moral claim would not be that they're equally innocent, it would be that babies are LESS innocent.”
Still waiting on logic.
Babies are more innocent. That’s what we’ve always been saying when comparing them to convicts.

“If you're trying to throw shade that should've been your move.”
Ironic since you’re the one throwing shade.

“Somewhat off topic but I'm not entirely convinced a lifetime in prison > death anyway.”
Sure.

My meme says prove me wrong. I thought it might provoke people to look into it for themselves.. Apparently I was wrong to assume that. People here just want to cry about fetuses.

"Still waiting on logic"

I wasn't making any moral argument nor was I comparing the death penalty to abortion so I'm not sure why you brought it up.. seemed like an attempt to throw shade in which case I would assume you would want to portray me in the worst possible way.. which I would think would be portraying me as someone who thinks babies are less than equal to convicts... Not equal to them. Idk how else to explain that so hopefully you understand what I mean.

Not only did you fail to understand my point, but you also failed to accurately represent the misrepresentation of it.

You deserve some type of medal. Perhaps a sign from Bill Engvall.

And grow up on tax payer funded food stamps and welfare.. well.... Assuming repubs don't successfully cut it
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All that may be true if they hold the victim mindset. But that doesn't make it okay to abort

Victim mindset... Do you mean the kid or the mom? (I'm not a woman but I am assuming financial ability is among the reasons a woman might consider abortion... And if she does not have that option, she and her baby might become dependent on welfare etc.. maybe only temporarily maybe not)

Anyways thumbs up for at least addressing my point.

Yeah these programs are there for assistance, not life long support and that is all they know including kids growing up in it. So I was referencing both mom and baby with victim mindset. Some people may not even know there is another option. A woman that grew up in this, Star Parker, has studied it and built a foundation called C.U.R.E. (center for Urban Renewal and Education) to help people get out of the welfare trap. You should check her out.

Fiscal conservatives want lower taxes and less Gov. Influence in markets. Claiming they should support some moral thing based on that is a lie.

Go on...

Why would a conservative want abortion to happen just because we don't want Government control of industry?

That would be one aspect.. it's not what I was hinting at though.

Currently if a woman becomes pregnant with a baby and she wanted to get an abortion she might have many reasons for it including possibly not being able to financially take care of it once it is born...

However, if abortion became illegal she would be forced to give birth to the child, and both the child and mother might become dependant on the government/tax $$/ welfare/ foodstamps for years... possibly even a lifetime.

On the other side of the coin, a prison inmate who gets sentenced to the death penalty and ends up on death row actually ends up costing more $$$ than if the inmate had spent a lifetime in jail. And even morally it seems this one is entirely debatable which is worse.. an entire lifetime rotting in jail or the death penalty ... I understand the suicide rate in prison is about 4x as high as it is on the outside. (And sure... some of that might be people getting "Epstein-ed"... but the end result is be the same either way)

Well, just because we want less Government spending doesn't mean we don't want any. There are some things that are too important, and saving the lives of the innocent unborn is one of them. I wouldn't mind tax dollars helping someone who had, for example, just lost their job while pregnant for a while. The welfare systems I have problems with are the excessive ones that give large numbers of people no incentive to work but instead live off of everyone else. There are some people that end up in bad situations and need some help, though.

I wasn't saying you don't want any govt spending. I'm just saying those things do have a cost.

Also for all the talk people do here about Dems being evil, traitors, liars, devils, demons, etc..... I'm somewhat surprised that repubs actually seem to want us reproducing. Lol

I believe that there are some people at the top with bad intentions, but I believe a lot of Democrat voters just think the party as a whole is way less radical. All that a lot of them have been told their whole lives is that the right believes in slavery, wants people to starve, and is a bunch of terrorists. At the same time, they have been convinced that non-economically-sound systems like UBI could work. The left even makes us look worse by saying we don't want the same end goal of people living better, even though we just don't believe their methods would work

you have lost life privileges

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