Dean Martin Vs. Cardi B

People who think 'Baby It's Cold Outside' is somehow offensive are idiots who understand nothing of 40's culture. That's all there is to it.

I wanna know how it's supposedly "inspirational." No where in the song does it mentions that SHE likes it. It's about how she can use her pussy to manipulate her man. That's not empowering or inspirational. It's only dirty. It's not even fun.

Fun dirty songs I do like
My front, my back
Bad Touch
You gotta lick it
Candy shop

Note: they're just fun, they aren't inspirational either.

Your point is taken. So...Demonize Baby, it's cold outside and WAP is okay or they are both okay?

They are both ok. Freedom of speech. Explicit lyrics can be rated and limited in public forum but should not be censored outright. The hypocrisy of those protesting its cold outside and not WAP is just more leftist hypocrisy that is their defining motto.

We agree.

We???

Bluessol and I definitely agree here.

Oh ok, my mind went to multiple personalities for some reason.

One song is women celebrating women’s sexuality in a brash but empowering way, the other one is pretty damn rapey and cringe

The explicitness has nothing to do with it unless you are just a prude

Rapey and cringe huh? Did it ever occur to you there actually was a time before hook ups on Tinder where tits were NOT shown on tv and foul language was completely unacceptable and 100% unavailable even at movie theaters? Men actually courted women instead of just swiping right and meeting up. Baby it's cold was pretty cutting edge for it's time and society was not offended. Mickey Avalon is a guilty pleasure for me and NIN, Akala and Lowkey are some favorites so hardly a prude. I am blown away by how you lefties judge things from decades ago by your narrow version of what is acceptable based on your rigid (tolerant...hahaha) point of view. Seen a comedian on a college campus in the last few years? Probably not because no cutting edge comic will play today's indoctrination centers.

Yeah, by modern standards, it’s rapey and cringe. The entire song is a guy trying to get in a girl’s pants while she’s repeatedly telling him no. It’s ambiguous what her real feelings are, whether she is a willing participant in this cat-and-mouse game, which I guess is part of the fun, but his are unmistakable.

How about that line about “what’s in this drink”? I don’t know if there were date rape drugs back then, but there certainly are now, and the use of them is absolutely disgusting.

I’m sure Dean was a popular fellow, but no, being attractive and successful doesn’t mean you are entitled to get into any girl’s pants, and making songs that model that sort of behavior is problematic.

I imagine it was an acceptable song for its time, but we’ve come a long way since. It’s understood now that women have their own independence and can choose their partners and they aren’t passive asexual robots to be broken down through pressure into finally coughing up sex.

And that's where your perception is way off. Getting "in a girl's pants" in the 1940's was NOT a common occurrence without a significant courtship. This can be evidenced by the low birth out of wedlock rates even when birth control was uncommon and abortion was illegal. We really need to stop judging actions and events of 50 and 75 years ago by today's perception / standards.

Maybe there was significant prior courtship in this relationship — we don’t really know, the lyrics don’t say. All we can really tell is this is an unmarried man and woman alone in the man’s house. I understand dating norms were different back then but the lyrics do a pretty unmistakable job ratcheting up sexual tension I would say. I’m simply not buying that there’s no hint of sex in this song and for that you earn another X Doubt Kylie.

There are almost 8 billion people currently on the planet with many belief systems and value systems yet you 20 million or so SJW's are so sure you are the ones that have it all figured out. Is there even a remote possibility you might be wrong about anything?

I thought the Left were supposed to be the moral relativists

Have we flip-flopped on this one or nah

I guess even Snoop has matured Hahaha.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/offset-defends-wife-cardi-b-after-snoop-dogg-criticizes-wap-lyrics-we-should-uplift-our-women/ar-BB1bVkAI?ocid=msedgntp

I think life is better when you take a stand.

Taking a stand on a few well researched subjects is awesome. For me, the older I get and the more I travel out of the US the more I realize just how many different perspectives there are and how difficult it is to get to real truth. All the best to you.

you as well.

At the time "what's in this drink?" Was a common phrase used to excuse "unacceptable" behavior (blame it on the alcohol). In this case, staying the night at her beaus before they are married.
If you listen to the song, in the context of the times, it's about a woman having to break societal expectations to do what she wants to (stay the night).
None of the reasons she gives for not staying have anything to do with her or her desires. Her "sister will be suspicious" and her "father will be be there at the door."

It does bring in the sensibilities of the times and the people. Funny that in a time when baby it’s cold outside was released people were much more prudish they found that song acceptable. Yet the new left thinks that song is offensive and the vulgarity and “explicitness” of WAP is less offensive. Double standards are the hallmark of the left and goes hand in hand with hypocrisy.

We agree. The lefties don't seem to understand that there was a time where divorce, out of wedlock kids and one night hookups were not acceptable. Baby it's cold was probably not interpreted at the time as pushing his way into an immediate sexual encounter as that was not the norm of the day and a glass of wine or cup of coffee was far more likely.

Once you realize that the hallmark of an egalitarian outlook on sex is CONSENT, you’ll see why Baby It’s Cold Outside rubs modern ears the wrong way while WAP is totally fine regardless of its explicitness.

Sexuality is human, discussing it is appropriate and should be encouraged in fact, but coercion is not okay.

Ridiculous. As with sexual harassment the coercion exhibited in this song is only that if they find the actor unattractive. In the time of the song the women found Dino attractive and wished he was telling them it was cold outside. Your vulgar sensibilities would have been ok saying I gotta WAP for you if it was the female. However society of the time would have found this extremely offensive.

Well, we don’t actually get much insight into the woman’s “true feelings” here, we just get her worrying a lot, trying to leave, and actually saying no, but relenting to the man’s continued pleas to stay even as she gets ever more intoxicated from the drink and whatever else he’s putting in it.

It’s ambiguous at best, downright rapey at worst.

Not rapey at all. Only in your twisted logic used to justify the SJW viewpoint on what 40’s men and women thought and projecting
Your twisted values on them. You stick with your paragon of virtue Cardi B. And her WAP.

She is a mom now, don’t you know.

Yes, I like women who aren’t afraid to unambiguously assert their sexuality if that is what they’re feeling. And I like men who know how to take no for an answer.

And if you agree, now you know which song is more wholesome.

Pffft, calling WAP a “wholesome”
Song is a joke. I guess when that’s what you use to define wholesome you have no standards.

"What's in this drink" was a common phrase used in the 40's and 50's when people wanted to joke about having an excuse to avoid doing something. Since one-night flings were frowned upon, a good excuse was needed. The song is about the woman wanting to stay over and the man jokingly providing them.

How does WAP celebrate women's sexuality? It doesn't talk about her enjoyment or pleasure. A more empowering song would be My front, My back or You Gotta Lick It.
If you want a song celebrating consensual sexuality and mutual enjoyment (both male and female are equals) I recommend candy shop.

Ummmm, I see plenty of enjoyment and pleasure being celebrated, his and hers

I agree all those other songs are empowering too but My Neck My Back is a tad unsympathetic to his needs lol