He's responsible for 30,000 infections and at least 700 deaths.

These the same people telling us that it’s safe to protest?

piece full protest....

[image deleted]The study you ref is a prediction model…
it does not have the info on the people who attended [name/age/address/health]
many traveled long distances to attend which they do not take into account
bases its ‘conclusion’ on masks being effective, does not state the study, the type of mask, the % effective..

[image deleted]I give you facts and legitimate questions/concerns regarding the ‘study’ you listed and I get back a stupid cult meme from you….oh that’s right, you don’t want to deal with facts, just push your bs with no questions asked…just like if you were in a cult…confront a cult groupie with facts and they see nothing/hear nothing/know nothing -- literally blind/deaf/dumb ur!

Did you read the 'study' you listed?
It appears that it was done by a standford u professor and 3 students
I looked them up and they all appear to be left leaning as is Stanford U.
And they put together a prediction model….BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh, I'm sorry. You actually take your "mask facts" seriously?

Yeah.

No. Accepted science has a large enough data set now, and that data shows that masks are effective.

It's not my fault you don't understand how science works.

And your "left leaning" response is EXACTLY what I expected to hear here.

Yes, I did read through it. You went through it looking for ways to discredit it so you don't have to face up to the fact that Trump is killing his followers simply for the sake of his vanity.

Because that's what he's doing. Those rallies are killing people.

It's not my fault you don't understand how science works.....bwhahahahaha !!!!!
More bs generalization....list a specific Published accredited finding....
I understand how bs works and so far that is all you got!
Accepted science now has enough of your bs statements to declare you a model moron !

More Mask FACTS:

CDC: 85% of COVID-19 patients report ‘always’ or ‘often’ wearing a mask. Americans are wearing masks, but masks aren't working.

Basically, there is no strong evidence to support well people wearing surgical masks in public. Or as the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention put it: "No recommendation can be made at this time for mask use in the community by asymptomatic persons, including those at high risk for complications, to prevent exposure to influenza viruses."

Here are a couple studies:
• The study, published in JAMA, found that surgical masks were as effective as N95 respirators at preventing the flu, which is to say, NOT ALL THAT EFFECTIVE BECAUSE, of the 446 nurses who took part in this study, nearly one in four (24%) in the surgical mask group still got the flu as did 23% of those who wore the N95 respirator. And, because both groups wore masks, it's impossible to say how they would have fared compared with not wearing a mask at all.
• AAPS (Association Of American Physicians And Surgeons) Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2
• N95 masks protect health care workers, but are not recommended for source control transmission.
• Surgical masks are better than cloth but not very efficient at preventing emissions from infected patients.
• Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE).
https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the CDC, at a February hearing, Redfield went so far as to encourage people not to buy medical-grade masks, saying there's "no role for these masks in the community."

OMG – you state: Accepted science has a large enough data set now, and that data shows that masks are effective
BWHahahahah – ‘accepted science’…list actual studies and not a stupid ‘blanket statement’ you moron!

Mask facts -- Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2.
________________________________________
"COVID 19 virus particle size is 0.125 microns; "The N95 mask filters down to 0.3 microns. So, N95 masks block few virus particles unless they are ‘attached’ to larger particulates ________________________________________
AAPS (Association Of American Physicians And Surgeons)

Mask efficiency of small particle sizes 0.02 to 1 µm:
• N95 respirators95%
• T-shirts 10%
• Scarves 10% to 20%
• Cloth masks 10% to 30%
• Sweatshirts 20% to 40%
• Towels 40%
• cloth masks near zero efficiency at 0.3 µm

Another study evaluated 44 masks, respirators, and other materials with similar methods and small aerosols (0.08 and 0.22 µm).
• N95 FFR filter efficiency was greater than 95%.
• Medical masks – 55% efficiency
• General masks – 38% and
• Handkerchiefs – 2% (one layer) to 13% (four layers) efficiency.

Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2.

• N95 masks protect health care workers, but are not recommended for source control transmission.
• Surgical masks are better than cloth but not very efficient at preventing emissions from infected patients.
• Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE).
https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
________________________________________

AAPS (Association Of American Physicians And Surgeons) – tell me how their conclusion are incorrect…….

You listed a college ‘study’
I looked at it to see if I could learn something from it… not from a left or right position
I found obvious flaws in it
it is a ‘predictive model’
I didn’t look for ways to discredit it but I sure found some

then out of curiosity to see who published it, and if they might be biased, I found that it is a ‘college study’
that it appears the students are left leaning
that Stanford univ is left leaning also….
these things may have a bearing and are worth noting

Trump is killing his followers simply for the sake of his vanity – supply a list of these victims….
The TDS is strong with you……you should contact these groups for help:
• USPRA (US Psychiatric Rehabilitation Association)
• UPAX (United States Psychiatric Association)
• PRA and PRF (Psychiatric Rehabilitation Association and the Academy for Psychiatric
Rehabilitation and Recovery)

maybe you should contact AAPS (Association Of American Physicians And Surgeons) regarding their conclusions on mask(s) effectiveness...

though I predict that after they deal with you for a few moments they will refer you to the :
• USPRA (US Psychiatric Rehabilitation Association)
• UPAX (United States Psychiatric Association)
• PRA and PRF (Psychiatric Rehabilitation Association and the Academy for Psychiatric
Rehabilitation and Recovery)

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons?

Really?

You're gonna stand on that group and claim you understand science? You should do some reading on the long-standing discredited theories they keep promoting to this day. Things like vaccines cause autism. And having an abortion causes breast cancer.

But I'm sure their studies into the effectivness of masks is 100% for realizies on point this time.

Srsly, dude.

Try again.

Try harder.

--This is your argument??? I gave you a link to their study... show me where it is wrong...stop with your generalizations and list specific facts & arguments you worthless pos
-- I also listed a few other studies including the cdc...where are those studies off?
-- where are your sceintific fact studies that masks work?

UR full of crap, that is all you do...spew crap!
I want facts not your craps!

You have no interest in facts. You only want what supports your already established view.

Like with AAPS here. They claim that vaccines cause autism. That being gay shortens your life span. That abortions cause breast cancer. That HIV doesn't cause AIDS. That global warming is a good thing. That "humanists" are trying to replace God Natural Order with Evolution. That undocumented migrants are bringing leprosy to the US and have caused 7,000 cases in 3 years (they haven't, actual evidence shows 7,000 in total in the last 30 years).

The group that claimed President Obama spoke in slow tones in order to hypnotize Americans and the large O in his campaign materials was meant to be a crystal ball and lure children into the occult.

The same group that once claimed taxes on tabacco were the real public health concern? NOT tabacco being a leading cause of various types of cancer but the taxes put on tabbacco products.

The same group that says doctors shouldn't use computers. They should hand write all records and keep them on paper. For reasons.

You want to claim that group has finally, miraculously produced a study that is based on real facts and has real evidence and is in fact very accurate?

No.

Do you know why?

They're not legit. Your support of them is only due to your pre-established views. You and they have no interest in science, evidence, or facts. You only want what supports your view.

We're done.

Wow skippy you’ve flipped out even farther! You went on a aaps bender but still did not once tell me why their ‘mask’ findings/conclusions are incorrect!

Let’s stay on topic shall we:
• Why is the aaps study/statement/conclusion incorrect?
• I listed the CDC’s recent statement that 85% of recent covid infections were mask wearers and still caught it, that masks don’t work – are you arguing with the CDC? Why are their findings incorrect?
• Recent Australian study shows mask don’t work…why are their findings incorrect?

I asked you to
• list scientific studies that prove masks work and you have not provided them…..
• Provide names of the people infected or killed by Trumps rallies….

Well it is pretty clear that:
• you know the aaps statement is correct/legit and you can’t argue the facts
• you can’t argue with the other mask studies from the CDC and Australia
• that you have NO mask study to back up your bs
• and that you don’t have any ‘victim’ names

whishalot [whistlelock] you are a fake, a sham, a fraud, and a phony ….as is your meme, your comments, and probably most of your beliefs !

you don't get it.

You're done.

There's no debate. There's no, "well, tell me why ...."

You have a pre-set conclusion. You only accept "evidence" that supports your conclusion.

Cya.

BWHAHAHAHAHA !!! you haven't provided ANY evidence....you can't provide any facts, data, or rational discourse...all you have a your pre-set feelings that therefor equal your beliefs that you then spew out in generalizations !
oh and sorry if I hurt your feelings by asking for facts/data/studies...BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is anti-science.

They have a conclusion and spin nonsense to support it.

Like how taxes to tobacco products are the real public health problem.

You aren't interested in debate. You aren't interested in information.

You have a pre-determined conclusion. You only accept information that supports that conclusion. That's why you grabbed their "study."

You and me? We're done.

wow, go get psychiatric help...you reallyyyyy need it !

YOU state that aaps is anti-science and use nonsense to support their conclusion..

If you are correct then it should be very easy for you to list where their facts/studies are incorrect and how that invalidates their conclusions….I’m still waiting…….

and I'm still waiting for you to let me know why the CDC study/conclusion is wrong
why the australian study is wrong
for links to studies showing masks work
for names of Trump 'victims'

Come on wishalot, stop with all your bs and produce!

Hey Dagwood...you claim you understand science?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
I've been waiting for your specific arguments/facts....
but all you do is spout crap generalizations...
the only thing you know about science is if spell check corrected you!!!!

YES MASTER

I asked you to
• list scientific studies that prove masks work and you have not provided them…..
• Provide names of the people infected or killed by Trumps rallies….

Why have you not provided these two things?

Why?

You don't care.

You only want what supports your conclusion.

You've already shown us that.

YOu immediately discounted the study because the University is "left leaning."

Then you make an unreasonable demand that every single person be listed.

Anything that goes against what you already believe will be discounted and dismissed.

And if you're wondering why I keep replying- every comment drives this post higher in the Politics section, increasing it's visibility.

Maybe someone who sees it will realizes that Trump legit doesn't give a damn about any of you. There's a pandemic going on, and he's holding large rallies.

It's a no brainer that people are going there infected. It's a no brainer that more people get infected. And that more people will die.

• ‘Shown us that’ – WHAT ARE YOU PART OF A CULT?
• ‘Immediately discounted the study’ – FIRST I READ THE STUDY (PREDICTIVE MODEL), THEN FOUND FLAWS IN IT, THEN FOUND ASSUMPTIONS NOT BASED ON FACTS/FOOTNOTES….THEN I DECIDED TO LOOK AT THE PERSONS WHO WROTE IT TO SEE IF THEY ARE BIASED…WHICH IT APPEARS THAT THAT ARE
• ‘unreasonable demand that every single person be listed’ – I DIDN’T ASK FOR EVERY PERSON, CAN YOU EVEN LIST ONE?

• YOUR MEME STATES THAT THERE WERE 30,000 INFECTIONS AND 700+ DEATHS BECAUSE OF TRUMP RALLIES – THE STUDY YOU LIST IS A FLAWED LEFTIST PREDICTIVE MODEL DONE BY A UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR AND THREE STUDENTS – BACK UP YOUR STATEMENT/MEME WITH MORE THAN THAT; AFTERALL IT IS YOUR MEME !
• IS ANYONE FORCING YOU TO GO TO A TRUMP RALLEY?
• WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF INFECTIONS ARE GOING AROUND —YOU STATE MASKS WORK SO WEAR YOUR MASK AND YOU’LL BE FINE!

WHAT ABOUT THE RECENT:
CDC STATEMENT THAT MASKS DON'T WORK?
AUSTRALIAN STUDY THAT MASKS DON'T WORK?

YOU HAVE ONLY 3 FRIGGIN UPVOTES BECAUSE YOUR MEME SUCKS AND IS BS
YOU COULD HAVE A MILLION COMMENTS AND IT WILL STILL WON’T HAVE EXPOSURE EXCEPT OF YOUR TDS !

Let’s stay on topic shall we:
• Why is the aaps study/statement/conclusion incorrect?
• I listed the CDC’s recent statement that 85% of recent covid infections were mask wearers and still caught it, that masks don’t work – are you arguing with the CDC? Why are their findings incorrect?
• Recent Australian study shows mask don’t work…why are their findings incorrect?

If he loses, each state where he held those rallies should charge him with negligent homicide.

He's killing you.

Here's the study: https://sebotero.github.io/papers/COVIDrallies_10_30_2000.pdf

Not that any of you will read it.