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6 ups, 4y
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3 ups, 4y
https://www.alternet.org/2020/09/expert-on-the-radical-right-warns-that-vigilantes-are-preparing-to-launch-a-coup/
2 ups, 4y
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2 ups, 4y,
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1 up, 4y
1 up, 4y
0 ups, 4y,
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Guns. He stripped all their guns. That’s how.
5 ups, 4y
No, he had a clear understanding of what Germans wanted and controlled their minds.

There was not even the hint of any insurrection. Germans liked Hitler — despite most of them not being hardcore Nazis — and we need to understand why.
4 ups, 4y,
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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/oct/26/ben-carson/fact-checking-ben-carson-nazi-guns/

Utter horseshit. This BS has been debunked over and over and 2A nuts will keep regurgitating it until it becomes fact....where have I heard that before? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

The only Germans forbidden from gun ownership were Jews.
1 up, 4y,
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So the people forbidden from gun ownership were the same ones that were slaughtered?
2 ups, 4y,
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Try reading something for once. I could give you the facts but you wouldn’t believe them, so read the Politifact article explaining why what you’re claiming is garbage.
0 ups, 4y,
1 reply
I’d love to hear the facts, please proceed.
3 ups, 4y,
1 reply
Your argument has been debunked. That’s the most important fact.
0 ups, 4y,
2 replies
I don’t think you read your own referenced article.

“Not only were Jews forbidden to own guns and ammunition, they couldn’t own "truncheons or stabbing weapons."

In addition to the restrictions, Ellerbrock said the Nazis had already been raiding Jewish homes and seizing weapons.”
4 ups, 4y,
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It also said it didn’t make much of a difference because most guns were unregistered so it was impossible for the Nazis to know who had them.

It’s amazing that a claim can be debunked, yet you’re still gaslighting that it backs up your position.
0 ups, 4y,
5 replies
You keep saying “debunked”. What am I saying, exactly, that is debunked?
3 ups, 4y,
2 replies
Hitler came to power by stripping everyone’s guns. It’s historically incorrect and a narrative pushed by fear mongers.

The irony is that Donald Trump has stated that guns should be taken away and due process could be followed later. And it wasn’t implied, he directly stated it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second

So, you know.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2 ups, 4y
They are being disingenuous, no amount of source or evidence will change their mind.
0 ups, 4y
To your first point: 400,000 German Jews could have been armed, organized a militia, and defended themselves. Obviously he thought they were a threat enough to disarm them first.

To your second point: “Confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous”. Context matters.
2 ups, 4y,
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“To your first point: 400,000 German Jews could have been armed, organized a militia, and defended themselves. Obviously he thought they were a threat enough to disarm them first.”

There weren’t 400,00 Jews in Germany in 1938, their population were almost half that at 218,000 (which was down almost 60% from a mere three years prior), which accounted for 0.3% of the total population. Figure, generously, half of that population is of fighting ability (including men and women), and then how many of them actually possessed guns? Let’s say 100,000, for arguments sake, and again that’s being extremely generous.

The Germans had 600,000 troops in 1938, not to mention tanks and aircraft. So, the idea that a militia could be organized and defend themselves is ludicrous at best.

“To your second point: “Confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous”. Context matters.”

The reason they passed the law was to publicly give the excuse to arrest, the same way a cop can say you got pulled over for a faulty taillight.

But again, YOU said the Nazis came to power by confiscating guns. The Nazis can’t confiscate guns if they don’t know who has them.

On this we agree: context matters.
And in this and every other context you’re trying to push this BS narrative, you’re wrong.
0 ups, 4y
Read up.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/germany-jewish-population-in-1933

By the way, the Gestapo went door to door.
2 ups, 4y,
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The funny thing is that you’ve diverted it from “Nazis confiscated all the guns to rise to power” to “Nazis confiscated all the Jews’ guns to rise to power” in an attempt to grab a ‘W’, but even your secondary argument doesn’t hold water.

In 1933, the Jewish population in Germany was approximately 505,000 out of 67,000,000...or 0.75% of the total population and the size of the German army at that time was 300,000+/-, not including armor and aircraft. I’m also not including Nazi sympathizers in a nation of 67 million, which at even 1% is 670,000.

So how were the Jews supposed to defend themselves again, even if every last one of them was armed to the teeth? Moreover, how does taking every Jewish gun assist in their rise to power?

The answer is: It doesn’t. The Nazis rose to power on the back of the hatred and resentment of the Treaty of Versailles and with the consent of the German people.
2 ups, 4y
“ Removing Jewish members of the armed forces and concentration camps enabled the Nazi’s “rise” to power, allowing them to physically control their perceived enemies...this happened within 4 months of Hitler being appointed Chancellor and a month and a half after the Enabling Act.

Your brazen interpretation of history is downright reckless. I’m done.”

You were done before you started.

Your gross misrepresentation of my statements are ignorant at best and outright despicable at worst.

The Holocaust didn’t propel Hitler to power, you doorknob. It was a result of it.

Quite honestly, go f**k yourself.
0 ups, 4y
Headed down the path misquotes and redirection I see.

Are you saying that the Nazi’s would have still rose to power without the Holocaust? Are you implying the rest of Europe wouldn’t have stepped in to back a Jewish militia? When the US and other allies backed the Kurdish Peshmerga to fight ISIS, that wasn’t effective?

You are taking quite a strange position on this.
2 ups, 4y,
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“Read up.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/germany-jewish-population-in-1933”

Already read up. Perhaps you didn’t read what I posted, but that seems to be a running theme.

“By the way, the Gestapo went door to door.”

Anne Frank hid from the Nazis for 761 days. What’s your point? Are you trying to tell me it’s harder to hide a rifle or a pistol than it is to hide one (or several) human beings?
0 ups, 4y
The article you posted literally says “Nazis had already been raiding Jewish homes and seizing weapons”.
1 up, 4y,
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“Headed down the path misquotes and redirection I see.”

You’ve already tried and failed miserably.

“Are you saying that the Nazi’s would have still rose to power without the Holocaust?”

The Nazis seized power in 1934, long before Hitler created concentration camps. The Holocaust was result of Hitler’s power, not the cause.

“Are you implying the rest of Europe wouldn’t have stepped in to back a Jewish militia?”

I’m not implying it. I’m outright saying it. Post-WWI Europe was avoiding conflict at all cost...something you’ve conveniently forgotten...because Jewish persecution was happening ACROSS Europe unabated, but it just happened to be more concentrated in Germany.

“When the US and other allies backed the Kurdish Peshmerga to fight ISIS, that wasn’t effective?””

This has nothing to do with post-WWI Europe. Absolutely nothing.

Unless you’re implying that the US would’ve intervened, which, again, you’d be outright wrong.

“You are taking quite a strange position on this.”

Not as strange as you morphing your misguided notion of “Nazis rose to power by taking everyone’s guns” into a secondary misguided notion that an armed Jewish militia could’ve stopped the Nazis prior to WWII.
0 ups, 4y
“The Nazis seized power in 1934”

March 23, 1933

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-enabling-act

“long before Hitler created concentration camps.”

March 22, 1933

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/concentration-camps-1933-39

May 7, 1933 - “The German government decrees that all Jewish workers and employees of the German armed forces be dismissed from service.”

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/1933-key-dates

Removing Jewish members of the armed forces and concentration camps enabled the Nazi’s “rise” to power, allowing them to physically control their perceived enemies...this happened within 4 months of Hitler being appointed Chancellor and a month and a half after the Enabling Act.

Your brazen interpretation of history is downright reckless. I’m done.
4 ups, 4y,
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Yes, and when a law specifically outlines a group of people; you can be sure that that law is unjust.

Germans were perfectly allowed to own a gun. Jews were not. If Americans start saying that Muslims, Christians, Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, impoverish, rich, etc or indirectly target a group of people from guns then it is a fair comparison.

So far, the only people that liberals have ever targeted strict gun laws against are... terrorists, non-citizens, criminals, former criminals, some mentally disabled or disturbed, and some of the physically disabled.

Not that they’ve much won against the disabled bit. Maybe the mentally disabled...
0 ups, 4y,
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You don’t think CA, NY, DC, or MD gun laws are strict?
1 up, 4y,
1 reply
"EVERYONE"

I rest my case.
0 ups, 4y
You need to make an argument before you “rest a case”.
1 up, 4y,
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Are they strict against a group of people or for everyone in those states?
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2 ups, 4y
Damn, they will make any disingenuous argument.
0 ups, 4y
EVERYONE
1 up, 4y
“You need to make an argument before you “rest a case”.“

“Yes, and when a law specifically outlines a group of people; you can be sure that that law is unjust.”

Reading is fundamental.
2 ups, 4y
2 ups, 4y
There is this thing called google... use it...ffs
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