From women to feminists: You stopped representing us when rodents started looking down on you.

People almost talked my mom into aborting me.

my parents were unwed, both were alcoholics, and before birth the cord was wrapped around my neck. and my older sister was in a WAY worse situation. it's a miracle either one of us weren't aborted (her much more than me).

Glad you were given the chance to live. I was meant to make a difference in the world. I'm 16 and very smart now. Can't wait to vote in two years!

15. my sister's married now and has a 3-year-old girl, and she's just the sweetest thing. if my sister weren't allowed to live, neither would my niece.

Amazing things are possible. I was on the brink because of a hole in my brain. It's a miracle I am alive perfectly fine and healthy!

awesome testimony

If they hadn't been born, you'd have no knowledge of them. Do you spend time thinking about all the people you don't know because they weren't born? Is your life emptier because they aren't in it?

so much for "tolerant left"

trust me i can tell, Nazi

YOU DID NOT JUST SAY YOU WISH I WAS ABORTED

take your NAZI trolling to someone who gives a rat's rectum

"Gay_Cemetery_Ghost

FIRST OF ALL YOUR RACIST AS F**KKKKKKKK AINT NOBODY NEED THAT IF YOU CAN'T GET PROPER EDUCATION PLEASE ASK SOMEONE TO DO IT FOR YOU"

FIRST OF ALL,* YOU'Re* RACIST AS F**KKKKKKKK,* AIN'T* anyBODY* NEEDing* THAT. IF YOU CAN'T GET a* PROPER EDUCATION, PLEASE ASK SOMEONE TO DO IT FOR YOU.*

There, fixed it fer ya.

Oh, the irony,,,

"FIRST OF ALL YOUR RACIST"

...even though i've never said or done anything racist? you hand out that insult so often i'm convinced you don't even know what it means.

go have your mommy change your diaper. you're starting to get cranky.

Shut the f**k up, you cringy sperg. And it's you're, you dumb bag of shit.

racist*

thanks for showing all of my memes that prove that i'm not racist.

also you called me a nazi

Amen

Well, it's a good thing abortion isn't murder, then. After all, you can't kill that which isn't independently alive. Genetically human, but it is not viable before 20w gestational age. Meanwhile, the forced-birther movement is committing assault.

Pro-choice is just that...choice. Not enforced abortion, but allowing the patient to choose based on her own desires and values when it comes to elective abortion.

I'm gonna take the liberty of offering my answers to your questions, I'm interested to see other people's.

"After all, you can't kill that which isn't independently alive"

"So if someone is on life support and isn't independently alive, does their life not matter either?"

I don't think anyone has said that the life doesn't matter but you are right, they are not independently alive, this is why the decision sometimes gets made to switch off life support.

"Pro-choice is just that...choice"
Pro means in favor of.

"What stops someone from having a choice after the child is born?

Finally, your comment about the baby being "genetically human." You say that as if that term implies that the embryo is somehow less genetically human than you are. The embryo is a human just as much as you are; it's simply in a form that you don't recognize as human."

Their morality and the law.

You're conflating an actual person who is on mechanical support with a potential person who is connected to the physiology of another human being. Try reading up on embryology. What stops someone from terminating a pregnancy at 8 months? If the fetus was removed before 20-24w, it would not survive, even with artificial/medical support. If the fetus is removed at 32w, it is premature but capable of physiological viability.

And an embryo is not morphologically human. It has few, if any, recognizable human features. It is a human conceptus, but it is only a potential human at this point. It cannot breathe. It cannot eat. It cannot survive in an oxygen atmosphere. And then you throw a straw man fallacy at me, where I allegedly imply that "the embryo is somehow less genetically human." I neither implied nor stated that.

One of my fave arguments is the brain waves one, given that adult humans tend to have the brain wave activity level of a boiled head of cabbage.

The purpose of an abortion is to KILL something that's ALIVE, otherwise there would be no need to kill it.
Have a little self respect and be honest about the intention:

KILL.

KILL.

KILL.

KILL.

KILL.

SilverkylieMD89

A match made in Se7en.

hahaha, I was waiting for the opportunity to bring that up.
I've not read his wall of logical fallacies I so grievously violated while he distorted what I said (claiming I said "murder" instead of "kill," which is a trap to get me to agree to the former so that he can use the ye olde standard cliche "It isn't murder because it's legal" argument on me like it hasn 't been done to death on this site), but I've noticed him bringing it up with other memers because Appeal to (his own) Authority isn't on his list of fallacies either.

When will these fakers ever learn that by constantly bringing up what they pretend to be, it only makes it seem as fake as it really is, and I ought to know because I'm a CEO of my own Fortune 500 just posting here between rounds of golf.

But it's the truff!

Well, first, I'm not pretending, I graduated medical school in 2012. Second, I am not using my education as evidence, but I am presenting evidence that proves my argument correct, without logical fallacies. You're grasping at straws and straw manning...there's so much straw in your argument that it's a fire hazard. You're also engaging in transference, where you project your faults onto me while hypocritically engaging in those very same faults.

So, once again, you have proven yourself to be a liar.

Bullshit.

Oh, and constantly calling everyone else a liar like you keep doing - when their words are right above for all to see - that dollop of projection is another red flag

Yes, your comment is bullshit. On that we can agree.

You are falsely accusing me of lying when I provided a legitimate argument based on objective facts. You just can't handle the fact that I debunked your statements, and correctly assessed that you are a liar...not an ad hominem attack, but a statement of fact proven by your consistent use of falsehoods.

Furthermore, you continue to ignore the facts because they don't support your false narrative.

I know you're triggered by the fact that you lost this argument, and of course, you're likely to make erroneous claims that I'm deluded or prevaricating, when I have done neither, maybe even throw a few condescending insults around, repeat the same lies, throw fallacies around, maybe even get a bandwagon going from like-unminded people who care more about "winning" than the facts. Maybe I should smack you down with more facts, evidence, logic, reason, and critical thinking like I have been doing before. Or maybe not. But you never were in a position to make the claims you have been making.
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Oh, golly, more ping pong accompanied by another wall of fallacy citations text no one will read?
All this because the MD wannabe keeps lying about the choice of the word "kill" over "murder" and is delightfully oblivious to basic biology.

Sucks to be you, toots. But then, you already know that.

How damn pedantic. Someone has a guilty conscience.

Trigger mechanism set on maximum as well.
Aren't Drs supposed to be all up on that perils of setting off their high blood pressure info?

I wasn't even aware I was making an argument, never mind him 'refuting' the argument I didn't make by listing the Top 5 Fave Logical Fallacies.

Yep, you just proved me correct yet again. Predictable. And I suspect you'll also get the last word in because of the reply limit, but based on your posts, it will also have zero veracity, despite your erroneous claims otherwise. But no matter what fictional BS you post, you will still have lost. You are nugatory, and you are without empathy or shame. But thank you for the passing amusement you provided, little lying troll.

Next time, child, try using facts.

You're still babbling after TWO days over ONE single word?

Perhaps you can prescribe yourself some butthurt analgesic?

Nobody has proven you anything pal. Nobody has said any fictional bs because we've all mentioned basic science while you use ethos. Everyone here is using facts and you a "doctor" is just spouting out how stupid and trolls we are.

How has he proven himself to be a liar? You keep saying he's straw manning but uh. We all quoted on what you said.

So Kylie fan is actually a lawyer, then.

Your meme lacks any moral or logical standpoint. An abortion is to stop a pregnancy before a human being exists. By your (lack of) logic, that would mean an appendectomy is murder, as is a tumor removal. Your argument is predicated on falsehoods.

I am being honest about the intention. You are not being honest about the reality.

If you're gonna lie, try to be a little smart about it and don't put words in my mouth when my words are right there for all to see. Like I said, have the self respect to be honest about it.

I didn't say anything about murder, YOU did.

So skip your "moral" and "logical" bs deflection and keep to the simple fact that the purpose of killing a human fetus is to kill that human fetus otherwise there would be no action taken to kill said fetus.

Unlike you, I am not lying. I am not putting words into your mouth. And you are not being honest about it, as I have proven. You, however, are engaging in fallacy, including:
-False equivalence: Abortion isn't killing any more than an appedectomy is killing, but you say "The purpose of an abortion is to KILL something that's ALIVE, otherwise there would be no need to kill it." Your statement is also Argumentum ex culo, or use of a fictional fact.
-Ad hominem: False accusations of lying and deflection.
-Quibbling: "I didn't say anything about murder, YOU did." and "The purpose of an abortion is to KILL something that's ALIVE."
-Argumentum ad nauseam "KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL. KILL."
-Spin doctoring: Your argument is an attempt to deceive people by presenting deceptive information that creates a distorted view of reality tailored to your agenda.
-Appeal to emotion: This would be the clown meme you posted.

I'm not pushing for all women to get abortions, but I am pushing to ensure they remain decriminalized as an option. This is not a procedure of convenience...it requires trained personnel, proper equipment, and pre-operative physical examination for anesthesia and any concurrent medical conditions. In terms of contraception, it is last-ditch where the patient and her partner responsibly used birth control. In all cases of elective abortion, it requires the explicit informed consent of the patient to perform. As an MD, I am required to be nonjudgemental, but I cannot condone slandering of women for having a choice in the matter that's nobody else's business anyway. The attitude this cultivates goes against informed consent, where the woman is under the duress of perceived social norms, rather than allowed to choose based on her own values and desires.

IMHO, every birth should be a wanted birth. These people who described conditions that were dangerous but did not lead to compromised viability? They were wanted by their parents.

I graduated medical school, therefore I am a medical doctor.

Yes, you are,
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Yes, you did.

And for that little but of starwmanning, I did not read the rest.

For future reference, try not to mischaracterize what I said.

Toodles.

For future reference, you were the one strawmanning as I proved above. And you are the one lying, as I correctly assessed above. I did not mischaracterize anything. You clearly did not read the facts I posted, so you have no argument.

Oooooh weeeee,,, ping pong!

You didn't prove shit, other than the fact that you lie. Too much.

So because you can't handle objective facts, I'm lying? Riiiight...🙄

Facts don't care about your feelings, and ignoring objective facts and verified evidence will not make them go away. I correctly assessed you as the liar, and your own posts prove that. Again, you have no argument.

Oh no, now the faker is rolling them out straight from the Standard Cliche Starter Pack for Interweberz with Nothing Original to Say.

What, there's only so many times you can post/project Logical Fallacies before you bore even yourself?

Ya lied. Sucks, I know.

What is that, the lore of your favorite video game? :D

Are you talking about the 'Well yes, but actually no' post?

It's from The Principia Discordia, the holy book of Discordians. :)

All Hail Eris

It's your *belief* that the God of the Bible isn't the creator.

Belief is irrelevent. Facts are facts.

And the Bible doesn't say THE creator, but ONE OF the creators.

Where does the Bible say that? Hm?

'And we shall create them in our image"

also the first Commandment.

Wish we had some of that 60's NASA technology.

Looks like we ran out of Nazis to show us how to build it, because apparantly V2 tech is just that hard to figure our how to make without them.

There are false gods and there's the one true God. Baal was a god in Bible times. Not real though.

Except, as in the the very quotes you referenced, the Torah states there are OTHER Gods, and that Yahweh - who is a tribal God - is the only one the Hebrews should worship.

Love how you didn't even try to pretend you can prove the Trinity is a thing, because we all know it isn't.

Just as real as yours, not as real as Jehovah1 though. Praise the Stark Fist of Removal.

"Other gods" that are false. And I never said I can prove the existence of the Trinity. That's the point of faith.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Trinity existed in the beginning.

Thou shalt have no other gods (lowercase) before me.

When referring to the idols and false gods that were worshiped a lowercase letter was used. This was carried over by differences in the words in Hebrew.

Don't tell me, QUOTE it. But you didn't because you can't because the Trinity is a Pagan fiction.

Yes, no other GODS. Do you know what a God is?
You can refer to it in whatever case you want, but you just proved what I had stated.

Well yes, but actually no.

- I -

1. Before the beginning was the Nonexistent Chao, balanced in Oblivion by the Perfect Counterpushpull of the Hodge and the Podge.

2. Whereupon, by an Act of Happenstance, the Hodge began gradually to overpower the Podge -- and the Primal Chaos thereby came to be.

3. So in the beginning was the Primal Chaos, balanced on the Edge of Oblivion by the Perfect Counterpullpush of the Podge and the Hodge.

4. Whereupon, by the Law of Negative Reversal,** the Podge swiftly underpowered the Hodge and Everything broke loose.

5. And therein emerged the Active Force of Discord, the Subtle Manifestation of the Nonexistent Chao, to guide Everything along the Path back to Oblivion - that it might not become lost among Precepts of Order in the Region of Thud.

6. Forasmuch as it was Active, the Force of Discord entered the State of Confusion, wherein It copulated with the Queen and begat ERIS, Our Lady of Discord and Gross Manifestation of the Nonexistent Chao.

7. And under Eris Confusion became established, and was hence called Bureaucracy; while over Bureaucracy Eris became established, and was hence called Discordia.

8. By the by it came to pass that the Establishment of Bureaucracy perished in a paper shortage.

9. Thus it was, in accord with the Law of Laws.

10. During and after the Fall of the Establishment of Bureaucracy was the Aftermath, an Age of Disorder in which calculation, computations, and reckonings were put away by the Children of Eris in Acceptance and Preparation for the Return to Oblivion to be followed by a Repetition of the Universal Absurdity. Moreover, of Itself the Coming of Aftermath waseth a Resurrection of the Freedom-flowing Chaos. HAIL ERIS!

11. Herein was set into motion the Eristic Pattern, which would Repeat Itself Five Times Over Seventy-three Times, after which nothing would happen."-The Book of Uterus

Even though it's proven fact that the God of the Bible isn't the creator?

Except it's not...

Thou shalt not bear false witness. You continue to lie despite evidence debunking your falsehoods.

Um. You haven't. What lies have I told to be identified in this thread?

I'm sorry but I don't think you know the meaning of the word.

Then why have I correctly identified your lies?

Adam and Eve didn't die after eating the fruit? Really? I'd like to meet them sometime if you know them personally...

Once again, you believe there is no spiritual anything for humans.

They either died immediately or are still alive? So, vampires? That's a new twist.

Hey, according to White Wolf Game Studios, that's how we got Lilith.

Did you play Masquerade?

And Apocalypse, and Dreaming, and Ascension.

They died. Because they ate the fruit.

You were there, huh?

The Bible says Adam died. So I don't need to have been there.

So you have this information because you read it in a book?

You have this information because you read it online?

I have what information?

I don't automatically believe everything I read or claim it to be objectively true. I read information from multiple sources, I consider it, I cross-reference it. I consider what I think is most likely based on the available evidence and I remain open to new information altering what I think.

So, no, is the short answer.

They, um, lived on to have two sons, one of which turned that into one, and the rest of humanity sprung from his loins alone. Now THAT'S a miracle.

He lived for I believe it was 930 years, then he died.

Um, suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure,,,,,,,,,,

So, vampire?

Nope. Entirely different conditions of the Earth. After the Flood God restricted the human lifespan.

Well a) a tumor isn't an organism nor is it a human organism. b) the fetus at the 8 week point has a little more development than a tumor. It has cartilage and mid brain to hind brain. c) if abortion is to stop a pregnancy before a human being exists then that would mean 8 months fetuses aren't human beings at all. And abortions happened (rarely) there but the point still stands. That's a little illogical no?

"You can't kill that which isn't independently alive" independently alive? Parasites are organisms and they're considered alive though they need a host. The fetus is an organism. A human organism. We are ALSO human organisms. The reason it's not murder is because of the law but at the end of the day it's the killing of an unborn offspring. And pro choice isn't about "choice". If it was then men would have paper abortions. But they don't. So you're just pro abortion.

Try again, only use facts this time.

in taking it upon themselves to decide who deserves to live or not, they are taking from God the role of judge.

Who is God to judge us?

Murder implies killing that breaks a rule or law. God doesn't have laws placed upon Him. Once again, for the 10th time I think? You're placing God on man's level. Which is incorrect.

So you want to place Satan's evil overlord above man? Because that is ludicrous. Murder implies killing with motive, means, and opportunity, which means that God committed murder. If God has no laws placed upon him, then there is no covenant, and God is a hostile entity that must be neutralized.

If you desire to neutralize God, you're gonna have a bad time.

Nobody said doing the right thing was easy.

How do you know what is right and wrong? Do you have an unchanging standard?

Yes. It's called basic human empathy.

It's not a link, noobf**k. Pretty stupid for a 'doctor'.

You posted a hypertext link. Stop projecting your faults, it's not healthy.

Since you're too f**king lame to click on a gif, noobf**k.

And it's not independently viable, it could not be salvaged, and isn't even a person yet. What you are doing there is taking a clinical image and using it to elicit a visceral response in what's called an "appeal to emotion fallacy." You have no argument, troll.

What's the difference between your "basic human empathy" and a cannibal's?

Try asking a question not predicated on a false equivalence.

F**k off, abortionist scum.

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First, I didn't even bother to click your link, troll. So, forget about any "sick burn."
Second, I'm neither abortionist, nor am I scum. I am for a woman's right to choose, even if that choice is "no." Your attitude is misogynistic and quite frankly despicable. You have no right to choose for a patient. Begone, troll.

MUH BASIC HUMAN EMPATHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow. You really enjoy being a sanctimonious, misogynistic troll, don't you?

Yeah, not sure that's gonna make sense to them. You could throw in a dictionary definition?

That was a well avoided question.

You asked a trick question which was not based on facts.

This guy really is dumb and likes to project he's a liar.

If I was gonna hazard a guess, I'd say a puppet for judgemental Christians.

No, your god only exists for people that believe in him. Your god has no more authenticity or objective truth than any other god ever. Stop foisting.

Then what exploded that created the universe? Where did that substance originate. You don't know.

Why are you asking me a question and then telling me that I don't know the answer. Do you want to just have this conversation with yourself?

I hope one day you change your belief. I know eventually you will. Hope it won't be too late.

Likewise.

Even if I was incorrect, it really wouldn't matter. However if you're incorrect, everything is at stake.

Yes it would, you have altered your life because of it.

Everything is at stake...like burning?...at the stake? lol

But if my belief encourages me to love and help everyone, why is that a bad thing? And if nothing bad comes of it, why would you try to change my mind? Whereas I'm concerned for your eternity.

I didn't say it was a bad thing. What on earth makes you think I want to change your mind? I've made it quite clear that everyone should be entitled to their own beliefs.

Then why comment at all?

Which particular comment are you referring to or are you asking why I take part in discussion if unlike you, I am not trying to convert people?

You sure seem like someone trying to convert someone away from Christianity (or theism in general). Though there's no reason to, unless said beliefs promote violence or hate in their teachings.

If there is a God, I will not sell my soul to him or his evil henchman, Satan. I will not be condemned for the sins of God.

God has no sin.
If you don't think you do anything wrong, then I don't know what to tell you.

If God has no sin, why did he bear false witness and commit mass murder, adultery, and grand theft?

I am far from perfect, but I never sinned like God sins.

What do you define as a slave? God doesn't make us do anything, so unless your definition is quite different from the dictionary, I would say no.

Are you suggesting that being owned by another doesn't make one a slave?

Who said you're owned by anyone?

You did.

If a parent tells a child to do something, that's making said child do it? No, it's a command.

I would say if you're owned by another person, yes you're a slave. By the God of all creation? I would say no. He doesn't make anyone do anything.

He literally gave you commandments and threats, dude.

If God is omnipotent, and he creates our past and our future, then God does make us do everything. In context of the actual content of the scripture, God did make Pharaoh hold on to the hebrews just to have an excuse to do more damage.

Incorrect.

Then why did God harden Pharaoh's heart so he wouldn't release the Hebrews, when Pharaoh was going to do so after the first few plagues? Pharaoh took the hint, but God had to make an excuse to unleash biological warfare and run a campaign of murder.

So I am correct. If there is a God, and if the Bible is truth, then God committed murder.

Noun

The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

Verb

Kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.

This is why I don't call abortion murder anymore, as it's legal in the U.S. I call it wrongful killing.

Well, God still meets the definition of murder in the verb form as you have defined it above. It is unlawful because he violates his own commandment.

Abortion before the age of viability is not wrongful killing. It is done with the consent of the patient, either informed (as in an elective case) or implied (as in an emergent, potentially life-threatening pathology). A nonconsensual abortion under elective (non-emergency) conditions is assault, and therefore unlawful.

Sometimes a doctor must "kill" (and I use the word VERY loosely here, as separation of the tissue from its supporting body leads to its death) part of the body to save the whole person. That part of the body is not an independent life. Sometimes the part can be maintained on support, as in the case of a transplant organ, but it is not sustainable until it is reconnected to a body. A fetus before the age of viability has the resilience of an appendix ex utero.

In medical ethics, "late term abortion" refers to an abortion done in the second trimester. However, many doctors are ethically bound not to perform an abortion past the age of viability unless there is an existing defect incompatible with life or the pregnancy is causing a life-threatening condition in the mother (as in eclampsia) and the conceptus cannot be salvaged.

IMHO, every child should be a wanted child. However, the decision to electively abort before 24w of gestation is solely that of the patient, and is based entirely on their values, ethics, and morals, as well as proper information.

You can feel as though an abortion is wrong and that it equates to killing, but the fact of the matter is that when properly and responsibly done, it is a reasonable procedure. What I am opposed to is the psychological coercion and disinformation about it, and that a woman's choice is tainted not by her own values, ethics, and morals, but by societal pressures.

Nope. I'm redeemed. I have no worry of Hell.

Yep. Now you have a certainty of it.

God isn't held under the law because He created it (and everything). An adult doesn't have to go to bed at 9:00 even if that's the rule he has for his children.

The doctors don't know the mother will die, they just have probability. I hold that abortion is wrong. If you won't change your mind, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Then you worship your own damnation through this cosmic-scale bully.

Those commands are given to humans, but he never murdered, bore false witness, committed adultery, or grand theft.

Ehh, it's still accessory to murder.

God isn't under the laws He creates.

Then why did God commit mass murder with the flood and the plagues upon Egypt (oh, and God messed with Pharaoh's mind before Pharaoh could freely allow the Hebrews to leave, just so God could have a pretext to torture and murder), steal from Job, and lie to Adam and Eve just so he could see how long it would be until they stumbled into the forbidden fruit?

If we are made in God's image as the Judeo-Christian faith says, then God is not exempt from his rules. At least his son could lead by example. Oh wait, God conspired to murder him, too. You know, all that omnipotence and omnipresence, he bears responsibility as a conspirator if he truly knows and controls all.

Oh, so you're against abortion and the taking of life.

Expand on that.

I'm not against abortion. I'm against the wanton taking of human life. Those are, despite the asinine arguments of the forced-birthers, two different things. You should pick up a book on embryology sometime.

He is the owner of all creation. Whatever He took from Job was His to begin with. He passed judgment on Egypt because of Pharaoh's stubberness and pride. He didn't lie to Adam and Eve. He said that if they eat the fruit of that specific tree they would die. Do you see Adam and Eve walking about?

Your problem is with viewing God as a human, or equal with humans. He's not. He has a much higher form of being. His creation, He gets to do what He wants. Just because we are similar to God in that we have some form of non-physical existence (unlike plants and animals) and are made in His image doesn't mean we are equal to him. If I create a statue that looks like me that doesn't mean it's equal to my form of being.

Yahweh is NOT the owner of all creation.

Adam & Eve did NOT die after eating the fruit.

Yahweh and people do NOT have some form of non-physical existence.
That's a Pagan belief.

"He is the owner of all creation."

You are suggesting we are slaves?

So you would surrender to a cosmic-scale bully who arbitrarily destroys and condemns people? One who has no ethics or respect for life?

When God forbade Adam and Eve to eat from the tree, they were screwed from the start. In order to know that it was wrong to eat from the tree, they would have to know good and evil. Right and wrong. But in order to have that capacity, they would have to have eaten from the tree. It was pure random chance God was betting on. All the serpent did was introduce a confounding variable.

You are worshipping your own damnation.

He waited before sending the flood. He saved Noah with his family, and the other people could've believed and gotten on the ark too. They didn't, they were wicked, so God took them out.

You realize that bearing false witness is a sin as defined in your own scripture, right?

He judged Egypt for Pharaoh's stubbornness. Simple.
He didn't murder His son. Jesus gave himself willingly. And God is the one that gives life anyway. Once again, you have the mistaken idea that man is equal with God.

You didn't read your own scripture, did you? God CAUSED Pharaoh's stubbornness. It even explicitly says so in the book of Exodus.

Nature gives life. Life emerged from an assemblage of activities over billions of years. Not because of some cosmic-scale bully.

Man exists. God does not. Or if God does, then man must bring God and his evil henchman Satan to justice for their crimes.

A theory isn't proved. A law is. Theories are unproven, but it's a best guess. In that case the theory is extremely flawed.

No, hypotheses are unproven and must stand up to scientific scrutiny. In general, a scientific law is the description of an observed phenomenon. It doesn't explain why the phenomenon exists or what causes it. The explanation of a phenomenon is called a scientific theory.

Attempting to redefine words will not change reality.

Scientific Theory
A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment.

Oh, so it's ridiculous to believe God created everything because He's all powerful, but not ridiculous to believe a bunch of nothing exploded and created the most complex system we could ever comprehend? After which the rocks turned over time into people and *poof* here we are. (That being the universe.) That's why it's called a theory. There's no proof for it.

"but not ridiculous to believe a bunch of nothing exploded and created the most complex system we could ever comprehend"

Who said 'a bunch of nothing exploded'? That is not what I and many other Atheists believe.

It is NOT why The Big Bang Theory is called a theory. Are you really that ignorant or are you being obtuse? Look up the difference between theory and scientific theory. There is evidence of the Big Bang, there is no evidence of a god.

Yes, it is ridiculous to believe a "God" created everything.
See, now you're demonstrating your complete ignorance of what the word "theory" means, and you are engaging in an oversimplification fallacy with appeal to divinity.

It's a theory BECAUSE there is proof for it, and because it stands up to scrutiny. It doesn't require empty belief, it's provable. Proof is the foundation for theory.

You're confusing theory, which is proven, with hypothesis, which is something yet to be tested. And you're confusing hypothesis, which has a basis in observable reality or mathematics, with your complete and total bullshit.

At first it was Pharaoh that hardened his heart.

And Pharaoh, at least, got the message. Then God mindf**ked Pharaoh just so God could have an excuse to unleash worse plagues.

He told the people the truth before the flood. They didn't listen to Noah.

Still no excuse for God to commit mass murder.

He gave Adam and Eve a choice to obey. They didn't have to know why, they just had to obey. They failed.

God does have respect for life. But He gets to decide what happens. He gets to weed out His own garden.

And yet, they were given free will, and that requires knowledge to exercise properly.

If God has such respect for life, why did he create the flood? Why did he mindf**k Pharaoh just to have a pretext to torment, torture, and murder the Egyptians? I had to reread that part of the Bible because they never taught us that in Sunday School. Why did God murder his own son?

That's not respect for life. That's the behavior of a child with conduct disorder torturing small mammals for fun.

Oh, you already sold your soul.

Nope. He's your God. They're your rules. You burn in hell.

Haha keep coping, this world isn't run by you, fedora tipper.

So you're comparing me to Indiana Jones? Huh...that's strange. But what can I expect from someone as arrogant as you?

Indiana Jones doesn't wear a fedora nimwit. Geez. The only arrogant person here is you considering you're comparing yourself to Indiana Jones.

What kind of hat do you think he's wearing?

A baseball cap?...

Oh my god! Republicans have their own version of Indiana Jones!!

In your version, is he...helping the Nazis?

"Indiana Jones doesn't wear a fedora nimwit. Geez. The only arrogant person here is you considering you're comparing yourself to Indiana Jones."

Ahahahaha!

Yes, he does.

Are you TRYING to look stupid or....

There's no evidence for the Big Bang, and it's completely illogical. My belief isn't bound by logic, because God is above logic.

It is not completely illogical at all, Scientists don't listen to stories passed down through generations and old books, they consistently study the available evidence, they are constantly questioning and thinking critically. They are not hanging onto ideas from the past that offer no evidence. I'm glad you are admitting that your belief is illogical.

Personally, I think the Quasi-steady state model is most likely.

You'd think so, right?...

Other than the observable universe expanding away from a central point at the same speed and the farther away you get from it, the more dense matter becomes due to stars collapsing and consequent super novas ejecting them?

Where possible theories are tested on a smaller scale. Then it's not the same thing, and scientists have never created life with an explosive.

You are suggesting that scientists being unable to recreate the conditions of the beginning of the Universe in a lab is evidence that it didn't happen?

It's certainly not evidence it did happen like you claimed. Ultimately though you believe something different than I, and I'm not sure this conversation can be helpful anymore.

Actually they were able to create part of the conditions at the beginning of the universe in supercolliders, and they were able to create the fundamental molecules that began the origins of life in a lab.

Yes, that's a good point; the LHC is pretty incredible.

He accepts coupons?

God is on another plane of existence. A higher being. Just like I'm okay with killing animals or plants.

Yeah it does. He can do what he wants with his creation. Pretty simple concept.

Then God is a cosmic-scale bully, a deranged child who destroys living beings for his pleasure.

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. It's different from a filthy s**t using death as birth control.

I should have known I would find OM on here crying and trying to prove a point he knows nothing about lol

I've long thought that the best way to determine if OM has been kidnapped by kidnapperists or dead would be if he missed posting on a meme about religion or abortion lol

lol right

or Antifa

Studying something from the outside is very different from being part of it yourself.

So maybe if you study the left and liberalism from the outside you'll realize how many problems so many here see with it.
(Using your logic.)

You're talking Old Testament God... He mellowed out after he had a Kid... lol