Let’s see which of the resident lefty nitwits defends this hate speech. They won’t even denounce it.

You know what's funny about the lower poster is that it has #blmscotland. They have like a 3% black population and so it's another one of those lefty nitwits who is in charge of things their.

I saw that and Avenge slavery? Was that a big thing in Scotland?

Not an authority, I saw video highlighting the stupidity of BLM protesting in Scotland given the 3% part and he showed the head of it. A ginger haired, pale skinned scottish guy espousing hate. I'm pretty sure the scots were traded as slaves themselves to pay debts owed and such.

I'm not a lefty but I'll open with this.

What makes you think that Black Lives Matter is responsible for this? Just because they put their name on it, doesn't mean anything. For example, I could make these fliers, vandalize these buildings, and take pictures of them specifically to discredit their movement.

If you wish to discredit a movement, start by quoting their leaders directly. Take pictures of the people who are leaving these fliers and doing the vandalizing. Anyone is capable of vandalization. Not just Black Lives Matter...

Ya that’s pretty much already been done. You tube is full of Black Lives Matters founders and leadership spewing racism and hate both prior to the current times as well as recently. Google BLM Scotland

I did.

It’s fake.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/26/facebook-posts/no-evidence-black-lives-matter-made-kill-white-sig/

Unless you have any evidence that counters the claim that they are fake with actual video or written testimony from the source, this is just another attempt by white supremacists to silence BLM and you’re falling for it hook, line, and sinker.

Of course there is no evidence and it’s fake. That’s what they always say. So what about what the leaders have said publicly?

Such as?

Yes, I'm aware of that alleged deleted comment by her. After all, I posted it here...

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I'm still looking up information on Yusra Khogali, apologies if I'm getting the name wrong. From what I understand, I can confirm she was a member of Black Lives Matter Toronto division but aside from this image of a deleted comment and this infamous one from 2016...

https://toronto.citynews.ca/wp-content/blogs.dir/sites/10/2016/04/05/0405yusra.jpg

I can only confirm the latter comment than the former. I have no idea when she wrote the "whitness is not humxness" comment, nor where; nor has she admited to deleting the comment much as she did with the "Plz Allah" comment.

Indeed, both of these comments are despicable but are not among the majority of those who promote the message of BLM.

Indeed, I remember seeing a video of a black woman organizing a BLM photo-op and telling multicultural families to split up so that they could put the black people in the front and white people in the back. Naturally, outrage spilled out and I condemned this as well. I believe a spokesperson for BLM said that she was not officially affiliated with the group and condemned her as well.

I believe the core message of BLM is a sound one. That the police should not shoot unarmed civilians. While they may wrongfully assume black people are shot more often than white people, I am not hung up about where they are wrong but where they are right and the disproportionate of prison population and sentencing of Black Americans in the Justice Department.

In this regard, their movement is sound.

If you wish to promote peace, do so by finding out where we are similar, not where we are different in ideas.

She is listed as One of three founders of the BLM organization. There are several others beside the allah give me strength not to kill these white people quote. Funny how she is forgiving of Mohammed owning slaves and not George Washington isn’t it?

It’s easier to listen and find similarities when you are not being attacked. The natural response to attack is defense. The failure to disavow extremist comments and Continuation of broad based racial attacks on American History in general and white people in particular will not lead to peace or surrender to the mob and it doesn’t appear there will be understanding on either side. So the tragedy is that many many people will suffer simply because people want to call each other names.

Also, she is not one of the co-founders of Black Lives Matter. Those would be Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi. She is a leader of the Toronto chapter and may have quit that post as early as 2017, but again, I'm actually finding it hard to find much information on her beyond her alleged and admitted racist comments.

Are you being attacked tho? There isn't a riot going on here. These are pieces of paper that Black Lives Matter has denied printing. This is a target on Black Lives Matter, not white people. These were printed by people who very likely want to see Black Lives Matter fail. In what capacity, I cannot say. Perhaps white supremacists. Perhaps cops or families with cops who do not want to see them defended. Self-interest is a far nobler goal than supremacy and is much more understandable.

But again, you aren't being targeted. Black Lives Matter denied printing these but do you believe that or do you find it easier to believe that people who are so riddled with hate, and want change, would risk sacrificing their movement to print these despicable pieces of paper?

I often hear people asking black people to be more like Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. Yet, I never see white people trying much in the way to take heed. What you are doing is not defense of being attacked.

If you're tired of people calling each other names then at some point one of you, if not both of you, will have to stop... and

SIT DOWN AND TALK!

So I accept that in this meme I am
Not being attacked it is BLM being attacked nor that you have attacked me. I was referring to the greater campaign that all can see, the blatant attacks in the media and the internet on whiteness, America and American History. It is disingenuous to say that’s not happening.

I mean, you could continue using a blind fold and covering your ears, and jeer about what people are presenting and the things that are happening around you so that continue to be happy with your BLM. Not trying to change your mind. Keep being blinded, keep the chains on.

Again, anyone can put up these fliers to discredit their movement. If you want to show me convincing proof, show me a protestor holding a sign with this rhetoric. Show me a tweet that hasn’t been allegedly deleted by one of its official members and not some rando on the internet. Show me where it says this in their mission statement or even their website in general.

nope not worth my time, it is everywhere. You just refuse to see. Keep being sheep.

Not worth your time but you're easy to call out anything that doesn't agree with your narrative as fake news?

This is fake news.

Oh, the fliers are real, but they weren't done by BLM. If you just refuse to see. Keep being sheep.

"So the very fact that there is a Black National Anthem is proof of the divisive segregationist tendencies encouraged by the movement."

"Lift Every Voice and Sing," much like the "Star-Spangled Banner" was first a poem and adapted into song. It was written by James Weldon Johnson in 1900 and set to music by his brother J. Rosamond Johnsonin in 1905 almost 25 years before congress actually declared the "Star-Spangled Banner" as the official National Anthem of the United States in 1930. "Lift Every Voice and Sing" was first publicly read as a poem in celebration of Abraham's Lincoln's birthday. So, it is ironic for you to consider it proof of divisive segregationalism. Later, "Lift Every Voice and Sing" was dubbed the Negro National Anthem in 1919 by the NAACP, less than a year after John Charles Linthicum (D) introduced a bill to officially recognize "The Star-Spangled Banner" as the national anthem. In fact, there were six attempts to make the US National Anthem which all initially failed until the Veterans of Foreign Wars garnered enough petitions to make congress significantly consider actually doing it.

"I will celebrate his day in defense of the courage he displayed and because SJW’s say not to."

Yet, you said yourself you did not celebrate it until BLM labeled him a villain so you're only doing it in spite. That is a very racist reason to do it, and does not truly honor Christopher Columbus.

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No one is "cancelling" history. People are calling for monuments that honor traitors to be removed from public parks and the places that honor their names to be renamed to honor actual American heroes rather than traitors. I'm not sure Gettysburg is a suitable place for all these statues either. I would prefer a museum but I at least commend you for considering relocation.

Marx and Mao are two very different people. Fighting fire with fire is... fighting hate with hate. Which, again, I am asking you not to. Just because they describe their methods, and not message, as Marxist doesn't mean they are Anti-American or Anti-White. You've still yet to convincingly argue how the movement and organization are Anti-White for being Pro-Black.

So the “movement” would be perfectly fine with a White National Anthem? and not think it divisive? We know the answer, they would cry racism and would attack it like a rabid dog. The US National Anthem is inclusive to all Americans of all color. Each segment or color having their own diminishes it. The determination to have a separate identity ultimately defeats any idea of uniting in commonality because you reject commonality in exchange for official recognition of “special“ or unique status. Until blacks can celebrate their unique history and struggle, but then get over it, there will be no true progress and is why there has been none. I submit that those are two separate paths and not linear. One to be honored for surviving and rising above the challenges and the other to move forward from that point.

It is not racist to celebrate in protest to the thought police style tactics of BLM. I thought they supported protest.

Again they are not just talking about Confederate statues, also the Founders, religious icons etc., They have gone after nearly everyone who has a statue, except the Lenin one in Seattle, lol. Cancelling and rewriting history is exactly what they are trying to do. Lincoln never called his opponents traitors because he wanted the country to re-unite and not feed on the hatred and devolve into guerilla actions BLM wants to renew that struggle after the fact. I did see on here a meme that said you didn’t care about those statues when Obama was president?

Marxism and communism are absolutely anti American. Our soldiers Black and White, Asian and Latino have fought and died fighting it repeatedly since the end of world war 2. No Marxism has resulted in anything but Totalitarian one state, one thought Communism. It is a very real threat and supporting it is borderline traitorous to support a foreign enemy. Civil disagreement is not traitorous but acting to progress the aims of a foreign enemy is.

They describe their aims very succinctly on their website. Their methods are exactly what I reject, more so their rhetoric and failure to denounce the bad actors within their movement. Hate breeds hate and that organization spews it like a sprinkler and supports violent action against the objects of their rage. They must expect the same in return, they created and propogate the division and hate and will reap what they sow.

"So the “movement” would be perfectly fine with a White National Anthem? and not think it divisive?"

Of course not, the historical context removes the false equivalency. And they are playing both anthems together to honor those protesting. I disagree with the notion that multiculturalism disintegrates national pride. I disagree with your perception that the Star-Spangled Banner is an inclusive anthem, it has nothing to do with inclusiveness. In fact, it's original poem is about the attack on Fort McHenry in 1814, and essentially mocks the British Navy; comparing them to hirelings and slaves that were unable to be saved. It also primarily speaks to the endurance of our country in time of great turmoil. Which that is not a terrible message, but it over glorifies the symbol of the flag and it's freedom when, at the time, not all men were exactly free.

If it is not racist to celebrate in protest, as you so claim, then it is not racist for the Black National Anthem to be played if it is in protest to the unequal treatment of black people in America.

And I'm very happy to condemn Black Lives Matter for toppling statues of our founders that have no context in pro-slavery propaganda. But again, that is not what this meme was about. I'm not sure what mean you're referring to about not caring about those statues when Obama was president but I believe pulling down confederate statues have only recently become a center of attention due to the White Nationalists in Charlottesville which shook many people out of their apathy and questioned why so many White Supremacists still exist.

Maybe I missed the part of history where we fought Communist Russia in World War II. That didn't happen.

You have yet to prove that they are what you say they are. That they are Anti-American and Anti-white. Utilizing methods to disrupt an apathetic system into action is not Anti-American no matter what playbook it is from. And again, hating them for your imagined slights is intellectually dishonest. For proof, look no further than your first post.

"Let’s see which of the resident lefty nitwits defends this hate speech. They won’t even denounce it."

You believed it so easily because you are not rationally and objectively thinking but are acting under a single mindset of a one state, one thought government that you so vigorously are fighting against. You are literally becoming the thing you hate when you equate how you are a victim of inequality.

Multiculturalism is a strength of America, but only when united under a commonality of purpose and united entity that is America. Each man may celebrate his heritage without fear, yet we are told that white heritage is all racist and bad and we should not celebrate it. Even further we are told we must immediately agree with every woke SJW Cause. You mustn’t say anything about Kapernick taking a knee and you should not stand for your anthem because it is racist. Well I don’t agree so what? He took a knee and I think it’s disrespectful so what. I don’t have to agree with every protestor and assume their thought as mine, especially someone who doesn’t respect even my right to protest. There are numerous examples easily found. I don’t need to prove anything I accuse.

I said since WW2 we most certainly fought communism after world war 2 that did happen. See Berlin air lift Korean War, Vietnam, and a hundred other actions since 1945.

My comment was intended to see if anyone on the left would denounce the messages in the meme. You question the veracity of the bottom flyer. I will concede that what you say is possible but also not disproven. The others were identified after marchers/ protestors passed those areas. So I am to believe that white separatists or extremists snuck up and painted such things and blended back into the crowd. That is intellectually irresponsible to believe that all this was a plot by white supremists. The fact Is that it really doesn’t matter who wrote it but who makes excuses for it instead of rejecting it. To your credit you did, but not much else from anybody else.

No one owns one thought intolerance like the SJW BLM movement. They ask for my tolerance to blow off some steam while only practicing intolerance and hate.

"Racist use to be something no one wanted to be called. That In and of itself is an indication of social progression. However the overuse and false claims have diminished the impact of the term. I no longer abhor being called a racist because I expect it and have been called it simply for bringing up a counter point or disagreeing. Once we have all accepted all white people are racist simply because they are white then the only thing left to do is fight."

No one wants to be called a racist but because you expect it, you no longer abhor it? Interesting. I too have been called racist which I recall rethinking my words and analyzing where one might draw that possibility. Can the same be said of you? I've already explained why your rhetoric can be considered racist if your thinking is opposition without objective reasoning.

False claims such as the meme above have diminished the impact of the term? Yes, I think so too.

If your idea of fighting is inventing false claims, then you're only propagating the stereotype like the people who loot and riot.

You are no different than the people you are fighting against. They'll fight back too, and are, if you are determined to oppose them for their differences and not seek unification with your similarities.

I have objectively reasoned that this movement has morphed into something evil. Killing people for saying all lives matter. The blatant hypocrisy of pushing for the arrest of people for a hate crime for painting over an illegal mural while condoning painting over and destruction of historic statues without debate. Attacks upon religious icons. The vile hatred expressed by SJW’s to the daughter of a police officer that was killed. These are not the actions of the good people on the right side of history. I reject them as evil enablers and actors of hatred and violence propagated against humanity. This isn’t about police brutality anymore it’s about far more. Everyone agrees to address the situation, but now it encompasses much more because the mob smells blood and are worked into a frenzy. I believe there will be blood, the country is preparing for it guns and ammunition are nearly sold out. People are preparing for war. It is almost too late. Hypocrisy, failure to denounce evil and hatred. MLK knew this and knew what it would lead to and outsmarted that. Alas the new movement is to arrogant and stupid and believe they can win. The suffering that will be engendered will be immense but we will not surrender to the mob.

I expect they will fight, evil has always fought to survive. Until good men stand against it and put it down. You are obviously an astute man, and you and I can find some areas of common ground but the “movement” cannot because it demands unconditional surrender instead of unification of common aims.

So, have they objectively reasoned that the police have morphed into something evil when they killed their own?

The mural was not illegal, it was sanctioned by the city and commissioned by Black Lives Matter. The vandalism of historic statues were not officially commissioned, but I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI are investigating if there is any real link to the activities.

I'm happy to discuss and condemn individual but again, that's not what I'm talking about. That is not what this meme is about. Historically, those who've opposed equality have always been on the wrong side of history. In this regard, those who are against holding the police accountable, not just the individuals who are caught on camera but the changes that could prevent the reckless behavior in law enforcement that emboldens the abuse of their authority. These changes could be a source for good and yet you're caught up on where it is coming from and why.

You're becoming alarmist when you advocate that a war is coming and I would argue that this is not the product of a rational mind.

What do you think MLK would ask you to do? If you believe he had the answers why not utilize his tactics? Are you incapable of speaking from his point of view or do you think that MLK was only talking to how black people should behave in the face of adversity? It wasn't just black people he was speaking to. He was speaking to you, to me, to them. Everyone. And when you continue to demonize people who feel they've been slighted, you perpetuate and exaggerate the problem. If you think their movement is hate and are so afraid that this will lead to an inevitable war, then it is not just their failure to be civil but yours.

If you are debating with people you believe are evil then you are not really debating.

You are speaking of different things. Nearly No one agrees with the actions of police in blatant cases of police brutality. So why are we tearing shit up? Because we must? And as I said if that was what the movement was about I would support it, but that’s not what it’s about. It has become something else and it has ties to Marxism, Maoism, or communism call it whatever flavor you like. It is blatantly anti religion and anti white. It has called for the destruction of religious images and points to everything as a symbol of white supremacy and racism. The original cause and message is muddied and now it is dirty. If you could separate the police brutality from the communism you would do better.

I have an opinion that this will not be settled peacefully because we no longer speak the same language. I am not calling for, advocating nor inciting it, but I perceive the threat and it is real. You may call it alarmists but the gun and ammunition sales as well as other indicators would appear to support my perception.

I am not Dr King, I respect what he did and more importantly how he did it. I do not lead a movement. It falls upon the leadership of the movement to direct the message and denounce and oppose extremists ensuring the message is not clouded. The burden is not on me to dismiss the extremism so as not to lose the message. This is a failure of the BLM leadership and I believe they tacitly support the extremism. It wouldn’t be the first time a group had a Perported benevolent neutral face whilst supporting terror and violence in private.

I demonize demons as they do me. I will not be silenced by taunts of racism and threats to my safety. I will not have my decency used against me by an intolerant movement that feigns wanting equality. People fighting for equality don’t need to destroy, hate, or pillage. People on the “right side of history” do not kill innocent people and babies and then revel in and mock their deaths. That is evil and any who are aligned with that are enablers of evil. I refute them and their intolerant cruel selves.

"You are speaking of different things."

As are you. I could easily say that you don't like BLM because you feel slighted by them.

I'm telling you those slights are imagined and you're trying to justify those slights.

And I find all your justifications weak by explaining how they are "different things."

We do speak the same language, in fact, you appear to speak the same rhetoric.

Correlation does not equal causation. Just because gun and ammunition sales are up doesn't mean there is going to be a war.

No, you're not Dr. King and it is clear you did not understand his message if your answer to escalation is escalation.

Oh, are we back to BLM is attacking you? After you wrote:

"So I accept that in this meme I am
Not being attacked it is BLM being attacked"

Again, "If you are debating with people you believe are evil then you are not really debating."

Ok sometimes I am speaking broadly and not about just this meme and this discussion. I think you are intelligent enough to tell when that might be but I will take the criticism for what it is and be more succinct in what and who I am speaking about in the future.

So if I made derogatory statements about black history that weren’t directed at you personally then you would not be slighted if you were black and any indignation or offense would be imagined? lol you are offended that I make an accusation against BLM and yet I have not attacked you.

Evil is evil and if you support evil child and baby killers or you are part of a movement that fails to denounce it because they secretly encourage it, you are evil too. De humanizing your opponent is the first step towards violence. Hatred does that doesn’t it. Your BLM organization is driving an increase in hatred by their own hatefulness. Perception is everything nowadays and you reap what you sow. Why do so many have the same perception, well of course because we are racists! and that is what will lead to a much larger sadder problem. They had all the support in the world Against police brutality but it wasn’t enough because they could care less about people when the goal is power. A communist takeover using the BLM movement as cover. People always say that it’s not what it is. Germans said it about the Nazis, Oh they’re just really good guys they don’t mean what they say. Or Mao’s Cultural Revolution. We only want to educate 40 million dead later they find out he lied.

Let me tell you a story about a boy who lost his father in a massacre. This boy’s mother and uncle fled the country shortly after this and came to America. Years later he was officially made a citizen of the US. The men who murdered his father were German, the boy was German, his father and mother were German.

And this boy grew up hearing about how stupid and idiotic the Germans were. How evil and hateful they were. And despite all this hate, he understood that the people who hated Germans did not hate him. Maybe because I was lucky enough to be young enough to not have a distinct accent. Maybe it was because I never really considered all Germans to be one thing or another. What I can tell you is that I do not call the people who murdered my family Germans.

I called them Nazis. And my hate for them is more than justified. I would not sympathize with Nazis anymore than I would think you would sympathize with BLM.

The difference between us is that the Nazis actually took someone away from me. And BLM has taken nothing from you. Not really. Not yet. Hopefully, not ever.

If you had the means, at the time, to prevent those men from taking something from you, would you have tried?

If my father had not died, I doubt my mother would’ve ever left the country. I do not think any of us would’ve survived if we had stayed. Some things are just not in your power to change. The only thing you can change is yourself.

You believe I disagree with BLM because of race or that I am a racist but I have mixed ethnicity children. I harbored no hatred based of race, color or creed. I reserve that for BLM and their intolerant SJW “allies” who I believe are a an evil threat to my country and support the killing and death as part of their movement to disrupt and destabilize the lives of all who live here. There victory is not a foregone conclusion that must be accepted.

And people who believe this will brainwash kids in the classroom this fall ... if the schools even open.

What not a single lefty able to denounce obvious racism propagated by Black Lives Matter? Silence is violence right?

How do we know this was by BLM?

They openly profess it so not that big a stretch to believe. Check you tube for Scottish BLM . The founder said whites were subhuman and evil didn’t she?

I’ve seen an alleged deleted tweet by a leader of a chapter saying that but not Scottish BLM. I’ll look into it.

Is that Seattle?

Emerald City would suggest that.

black lives matter
Black Lives Matter leader Yusra Khogali made a Facebook post in which she claimed white people suffer from "recessive genetic defects" and should be wiped out. In this photo, people hold up a banner during a Black Lives Matter protest outside City Hall in Manhattan, New York, U.S., Aug. 1, 2016.

Ya that’s not the same

Well it’s not the same simply because it’s obvious it’s fake. The other one simply says no evidence it was put up by BLM. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t. However I accept the possibility that it could be a counter propoganda ploy by anti BLM elements. But of course there is no evidence it was.

In this country it's innocent until proven guilty, typically. Perhaps do not fight mob mentality with mob mentality? BLM has denied printing these, and given that these would certainly be discredit their movement, I'm more inclined to believe them than anyone else.

After all those peaceful protests turned riots after white people dressed in black, with black umbrellas, showed up, spray painted buildings, and smashed windows with hammers to all the targeted buildings in Minneapolis hours before the fires were set and the rioting "began".

It seems awfully convenient to discredit a movement as a riot rather than as a peaceful protest. A majority of BLM protests have been peaceful despite some minor civil and lawful disobedience.

Ya so we get to the white people did it and don’t believe your own eyes that saw black people we’re on camera breaking into stores and looting too. I’m sorry I don’t buy it. Certainly white people were involved but denying the racist and anti American statements of the BLM organization will hurt your movement. Alienating potential supporters and widening the chasm of disagreement.

I never said black people were not to blame. I just did not blame Black Lives Matter for the riots that were obviously instigated by white people dressed in black. Informing you that white people started the riots doesn't mean I'm denying black people's involvement or that I'm not believing my own eyes. I am. There is video evidence of what I'm talking about and will happily provide it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyXwrMaCRrY

I haven't denied that members of BLM have said racist statements, despite the fact that the organization doesn't officially condone them. I'm happy to discuss anti-American sentiments of BLM, but defunding police departments that specifically target black individuals for higher than normal arrest rates, several incidents of police brutality, and unarmed civilians murdered by police; are BLM's primary targets.

The BLM movement is not my movement. In fact, I've said many times (with you) that I disagree with some of their methods. A better example of how I view BLM, look no further than PETA.

I have no problem with vegans and I find many things unethical about the meat farming industry; but I myself am not vegan. I strongly disagree with PETA for being anti-meat eaters; but commend them for their pro-vegan stances which do not have to be the same thing.

My relationship with BLM, if it can even be called that since I know no one personally affiliated with them, is similar. There are some good things about it and where I think they are right; I agree. Where I think they are wrong, I disagree. I do not find it practical to find new reasons to disagree with an organization that promotes safety to US citizens by holding law enforcement accountable.

If that was the message I heard from them I would agree. Unfortunately it is interwoven with a hate America and white people agenda. Until that is addressed I can no longer hear the rest of the argument and I will bitterly oppose redirecting racism to white people as a cure to racism against black people. This may be my foible alone but I suspect many are of like sentiment.

I have previously stated police brutality is visited on nearly all races. Police killed more white people than black. Which based on population is logical. It appears that underprivileged whites and blacks and Latinos are the primary victims of such anomalies. However many if not most are legitimate actions due to the circumstances and some, a small percentage obviously are not. In a country of 330 million it is not rampant but the quick to the gun reaction is in question. I do not support letting criminals go free, but I also don’t support shooting someone for shoplifting.

Please support your claim that they hate America and white people. Show me where they say they hate America and white people. I highly recommend you take a look at their website and read what they are actually saying before condemning them.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/

I submit that you are saying and what they are actually doing are two very different things. They are certainly not immune to criticism but saying everyone in the BLM movement hate Americans and white people is intellectually dishonest.

I'm not asking you to not oppose redirected racism to white people. I'm asking you to prove that that is what BLM is doing. A rational person should be able to prove that.

And I have already said:

"While they may wrongfully assume black people are shot more often than white people, I am not hung up about where they are wrong but where they are right and the disproportionate of prison population and sentencing of Black Americans in the Justice Department."

We actually don't know how many are legitimate actions as the matter is rarely investigated outside department officials. Congress has constantly tried to get the FBI to record the statistics of unarmed civilians shot by cops but whenever the subject comes up, there is resistance in the Justice Department that recording such statistics would not be for the best interests of public safety. That is devastatingly disturbing news.

Quick to gun reaction sounds an awful lot like criticism of the second amendment which I think in and of itself is counter-intuitive with our militarized police state which prioritizes arrests and fines as a way to fund their department instead actually insuring the safety of their respective communities.

I also am not for letting criminals go free. I also think most fines and the length of prison systems are over-exuberant. And I also think some crimes should not result in jailing or fining offenses that can exacerbate the poverty of the minorities in a community.

There are numerous examples from calling the 4th of July and standing for the anthem racist. Attacking Washington, Jefferson, Grant and so many others. They harass churchgoers because they as communists hate religion. So Black Lives Matter the organization is an admitted Marxist organization. I have been to their website. They are card carrying communists who have only contempt for the United States. Communist doctrine attacks the
Culture of the host to break it down and that is blatantly happening across the countries large cities where they can Capitalize on bored disaffected youth and homeless support. I reject them and their arguments, I will not listen to their message, the Black Lives Matter organization is my enemy. I share nothing in common with them and don’t care to discuss anything with them.

The Quick to the gun reaction I was referring to was police being quick to shoot even when the threat was diminished.

We make peace with our enemies, not our friends.

If unity is what you desire you do not call people unAmerican for exercising their first amendment rights criticize our government, our representatives both past and present, and to call out members of a church that reportedly preached that “blacks are cursed” to it’s parishioners.

They are Marxist in their direction but not message. Not communists. Their goal is to disrupt the system that they perceive to be apathetic to racism. Through civil disobedience, they hope to shake it out of it’s apathy, and promote equality, not to specifically promote or advertise socialism or communism.

If it was criticism it is their right, questioning authority is as American as Apple pie. However, when it goes from criticism to acts of violence and destruction of our shared history it is no longer protected and you lose the audience that you really need to truly effect change. I will not stand for the black national anthem nor will I kneel for the real anthem. I will
Celebrate the 4 th of July and now I will start celebrating Columbus Day. If that makes me racist then so be it. I will not countenance destruction of our founders statues, words or documents no matter how much the movement expresses outrage. I will not repudiate Lincoln or any other cultural icons for making a racist statement 50 years or more ago. Nor Will I accept Coloring theIr memories as being enshrined because they were racists. They are not enshrined because of racism but for other achievements so why not, as you say, look at the positives. Once we start going back to find the pure man in history we will find they are all flawed so I call bullshit. You say all these things are not being asked and yet people in the “movement“ are espousing just those things.

No one is asking you to stand for the black national anthem nor kneel for the national anthem nor to stop celebrating Independence Day. If they’ve asked for anything in these regards, it’s to accept their way of protesting police brutality against Black people.

I don’t understand why you would celebrate an Italian explorer, backed by the Spanish, who did little to nothing in regards to either proving the world round, nor discovering America but is still largely credited for proving the colonialization of America could be a successful investment just because BLM dismisses him as a symbol of oppression. There are far better reasons to celebrate Columbus Day than simply because BLM hate him. If that is your only reason then yes, you are a racist.

Neither will I dismiss the great things our founders have done but nor will I accept the whitewashing of their misdeeds. Personally, I draw the line at those founders, representatives, and soldiers that specifically defended slavery or white supremacy. And those statues that specifically promote a false narrative in what these people supported or accomplished.

For example, in Chicago?, I believe there is a a plaque that wrongfully attributes Lincoln as a Democrat. I believe either correcting the plaque or relocating it to a museum is vital to not just the stability of our country but it’s legitimacy in honoring our legacy.

I feel the same about any statue that defends slavery. If these statues are vigorously defended to not be preserved in any way that betrays the legacy of people that fought and died to end slavery; then it makes perfect sense to destroy these symbols of hate to me. It is still not my most ideal outcome. And betrays the Republican Party’s message that everyone should be accountable for their personal actions. Especially treason.

There is a key difference in espousing these things and asking you to do them. If you’re only refusing to do these things because they are counter-intuitive, then keep fighting for them. If you’re advocating they stop because you think they are a racist movement, prove they’re racist without impeding their first amendment rights. If you are only rejecting their movement and reacting to it because they are a movement promoting black equality then you are racist.

I am not saying you are racist, just laying down the easily navigable terms that allow you to disagree without trying to dismiss their movement.

I will also repeat that I also disagree with some of BLM’s methods, but notice how I can do so without dismissing their key message of targeting police brutality.

It allows me to have a more critical perspective and question the legitimacy of the above meme and what it displays. Correctly, I might add.

I think you, and many like you, are so scared that you are not thinking rationally and make too many hasty realizations without considering the objective and motivations of the actions of the people around you.

Both those who demand change and equality, and those who are so desperate to defend their supremacy.

So the very fact that there is a Black National Anthem is proof of the divisive segregationist tendencies encouraged by the movement. I personally could care less if you or Kapernick take a knee, but I don’t have to support that method and may decide to boycott your product. Because you protest doesn’t mean I have to automatically agree with you. The so called movement has Called not only not standing for the anthem but changing it. In this case the message is blurry as to whether BLM the organization or the general movement Is calling for it. Either way I won’t support it.

As to Columbus Day, very few people actually Celebrate it in any meaningful way except Americans of Italian heritage. He was not enshrined for any silly 2020 SJW cause. He is enshrined for having the guts to sail into the unknown and increasing the known world. He was the astronaut landing on the moon in his time. What happened after that has many villains but it doesn’t change what he did. I will celebrate his day in defense of the courage he displayed and because SJW’s say not to.

The discussion of confederate monuments is something that is open to discuss. I do not think history should be cancelled, but am open to the discussion of honorable relocation, like to battlefields such as Gettysburg, if the people vote it out. That is where I draw the line.

I dismiss any movement that promotes Marxist/Maoist policy and cancel culture. I reject any movement that demands unity of thought and suppresses free speech. I will fight fire with fire.

I wouldn’t call it fear I would call it outrage. Many in that movement would like to believe that they inspire fear because that is their goal. Some may fear, others will be incensed and outraged at their statements and take action to speak out and act against them. The police brutality message is lost in the morass of anti America and anti white propaganda.

Racist use to be something no one wanted to be called. That In and of itself is an indication of social progression. However the overuse and false claims have diminished the impact of the term. I no longer abhor being called a racist because I expect it and have been called it simply for bringing up a counter point or disagreeing. Once we have all accepted all white people are racist simply because they are white then the only thing left to do is fight.

And you can come back with the line that if black lives matter, why doesn't BLM target sources of black on black crime and I have an answer for that as well.

The primary cause of black on black crime, by conservative sources, is the lack of the traditional family and values among black people. I mostly agree with the exception of the so-called traditional label. I believe what causes black families to disintegrate is poverty, poor education, and the police's high incarceration rate among black people. Targeting these specific factors should lower black on black crime.

BLM primarily condemns corrupt authority. If a city's local law enforcement cannot tell the difference between a black person whose committed a crime and one that hasn't, or treats all black citizens as belligerent whether they are complying or not, then that is also alienating to the prospect of keeping black families from disintegrating and causes black crime to go up; not down.

Those who commit crimes should definitely be reformed, not locked up for life. Holding the people in power accountable is not counterproductive to that no matter how much the police exaggerate about their importance to community protection. To me, their negative reactions to BLM has been the equivalent of a protection racket by mafia. Quite disgusting and thoroughly illegal.

The greater question isn’t Intra-racial crime but what motivates the criminality in the first place. Not all blacks are criminals anymore than all whites are racists. So the question is why are a larger percentage,per capita, of blacks engaged in criminal activity? Supposing they are not contacting police and put in jail because they are simply black, though in some cases and some areas they may be contacted for that reason. There are real charges behind that and most are in jail for true criminal activity.

I agree that not all black people are criminals, however a third of black US Citizens are in jail. This in and of itself is a hurdle for struggling black families in addition to other issues they may have.

It would be comforting to know that most are arrested for true criminal activity; but studies have shown that black Americans actually are 50% more likely to be wrongfully convicted than white people and other minorities are.

That is 50% of a small percentage of capital crimes. Not 50% of the convictions. Most in prison are guilty though I will allow there have been exceptions primarily in a tiny percentage of cases involving murder or rape. To infer that there are widespread wrongful convictions is incorrect. Therefore again the question is why do so many turn to criminal activity? Gangster Rap culture,Just as Narco Corrido culture has in the Latino community, exhalts the criminal and his activities. This is one of a few factors that are not the “system” but the culture.