If someone wants you to spread the virus, that person is stupid or evil. Think for yourself.

Facts should never disrupt fear.

Are you dead yet?

Clearly minuscule numbers elude you. There are estimates that as many as 90 million people in the
US have had COVID 19 and were never tested, and DIDN'T DIE. Antibody tests currently give a 48% false negative, so those tests are just a flip of the coin. The fact is 32 one thousandths of one percent of the US population is said to have dies from this worldwide pandemic and those numbers are grossly inflated. Bottom line is leadership collectively crapped their pants because this looked like an engineered bio-weapon that was accidentally released in China.
We were supposed to have 2 1/2 million US deaths by now. Instead only 105,860, such a catastrophic disappointment.

have you wondered exactly why so many smart people with MD and PhD degrees, people much smarter than yourself (I can tell this from the faulty logic of your analysis), have been running about so 'fearful' these last four months? i guess smart people aren't smart at all. they're really all idiotic chicken-hearts, and it's heroes like you with your folksy common sense who will save the day.

sevenheart, i tell you with all certainty and lack of ill will, i promise, you are a bonehead. your belief that being armed with a few facts and an acute ability to misrepresent them, you are going to out-argue me or anyone else who understands what's really up, well it's annoying and unhelpful at best.

take a break from imgflip. try some online courses maybe. i have work to do and no interest at all in arguing with a know-it-all dope.

Well, unlike many I have training in research and statistical analysis. Take the number of US COVID 19 deaths and divide it by the population of the US- 0.0003______ is statistically insignificant. I had it on January 7, every symptom, headache, uncontrollable shaking, fever, cough, you name it. I'm in the high risk category, didn't die.
I'd suggest you stop talking to yourself you know-it-all dope.

Your training didn't take very well if you don't even know the meaning of statistical significance.

32/1000ths of 1%? Explain yourself brilliant one.

It wouldn't help, lambchop. You'd still be a bonehead.

To dumb to Heavencanwaitsplain what stupidity really is. I can wait idiot stick. I know, numbers are hard.

LOL I guess they are ( :

Start with something you can understand 1.

Then advance your knowledge and move right on to 2.

Does your mommy know you expose your utter ignorance and stupidity like this?

Are you dead yet? Coronavirus out there you know.

Healthy people are not virus factories.

true but healthy people become virus factories by congregating with infected people

Find Peanut and tell him to take you home. Its not safe for you here. You'll be trampled, or worse yet, not trampled.

It’s a virus, and will spread through the population until heard immunity is reached. 97% of the people it kills are over 70 with a chronic medical condition. There are only two ways to achieve heard immunity – natural contagion among people, or vaccination. Vaccination is probably over a year away by the time enough is produced AND administered. There is a prison in Marion, Ohio where as of two weeks ago 80% of the inmates have tested positive for the virus. That population in a short amount of time is virtually on its way to herd immunity. The economy cannot sustain extensive shut down waiting for a vaccine. The 1968 Hong Kong flu is a perfect example of this.

No one is dying from flu or covid. Those old people are dying from serious health problems and being labeled as covid deaths. No people that old should ever be given vaccines. Flu vaccines don't work, one military study indicates it makes you more subscepible to getting sick. They found the same thing with coronavirus vaccines which they failed to make. Any new one will be just as useless. Herd immunity just means the virus made its rounds and those whose immune system was down when exposed to it got a flu or cold. Happens every winter.

LOL. Dr. Ryan eliminates the covid-19 pandemic with a flourish and a bow.

You are the hatrack who thinks people instantly start multiplying viruses just from being in the vicinity of some sick people. You didn't hear Dr Birx publicly admit the numbers are inflated? Do you have any scientific proof there is a virus that exists called sars-cov-2? Do you have any medical proof there is a disease called covid-19 beyond any generic flu symptoms? Can you name a single test which can detect any sars-cov-2 viruses in a human body, and in sufficient number (viral load) to even be considered to have caused any disease?

By the way, what a pleasure to see an opinion from someone with some brains. Thanks for commenting.

Thank you!

Less incorrect but no cigar, Chooch. Viruses need not percolate thru a population unchecked until herd immunity is reached. They can be snuffed through distancing measures, other physical tactics to limit transmission such as masks, and medications that limit viral load in infected people. The country cannot sustain extensive shutdown, but no one is asking for that. What's needed is an intelligent stepwise reopening in which all parties respect the identified tactics for control of spread. Can you watch Timber until Peanut gets here?

By the way, Timmers, these terms you been throwing at me, 'toots', 'sweetcheeks', and such, they don't bother me personally, of course, but they're sexist, idiotic, and offensive to a lot of flippers, I'm sure. You can say them in your head if they make you feel more like an actual man, but try to keep it off my threads. TOS.

they don't bother me, you goofy idiot, because i'm a 60-plus-year-old male. above average height, well-muscled, heterosexual (sorry to disappoint you). kiss kiss ( :

Over 60? Oh that's so sad. A lot of old fools out there. Maybe you should have paid more attention. You sound like a 16-year-old.

LOL sounds like a triggered young fool ( :

You think that sounds triggered? Even sadder?

You just advertised your sexist comments and titled your post cringy.

Absolutely false. Top epidemiologists say you can flatten a curve, but that will only lengthen it. Viruses spread normally no matter what measures are taken. Masks CANNOT prevent the spread of viruses, unless you still follow droplet theory from the 1950s. You cannot "snuff" viruses. They are ever-present in all countries. There is zero proof that lockdowns and quarantines or distancing of healthy people can prevent the spread of sub-micron virus particles. It's a fool's errand.

Numerous news reports in USA say infection numbers increase when restrictions are lifted. This mean slock downs have not sniffed out the virus. Basically it puts the community back to square one where a spike is imminent. China used extreme lockdown in Wuhan as it was a single source. But it was a 2month experience affecting less than 5% of population. Because of international travel from China and Europe, the USA had multiple initial points of origin. Unemployment in USA across the country is pushing 20%.

The medical profile of the people most at risk is known. 97% of deaths are people +70 years of age with the chronic medical condition. Nursing homes and people outside of nursing homes in this profile are the only ones who need to be isolated/quarantined/protected on any great scale. The rest of the country can survive the initial unflattened spike of infection rate and it will be over within a few months.

That is the intelligent stepwise reopening you say is needed. It’s also less expensive than having so many people off work and business ilimiting how many patrons they can have at a time. Society survived the Hong Kong flu in 1968, in fact it continued without social distancing.

Sometimes there’s a 500 year flood. This is a 500 year flu. That’s just nature.

Absolutely not. If a healthy person coughs or sneezes it's a natural reaction to expel irritants or pathogens that just came to them from their environment. It's not new viruses. If some viruses enter their body, there are numerous respiratory and immune defenses to neutralize those viruses. They are bound and destroyed, not expelled. It's not until a person whose defenses fail to contain the virus and it multiplies to the millions and they exhibit symptoms that they can start shedding virus. Those people need to stay home until they recover. Healthy people are not carriers or germ factories.

So, in other words, absolutely not. Until they do.

In other words, healthy people are healthy, and have no reason to be forced to stay indoors, social distance, or wear useless face masks. People who have symptoms of a flu-like illness should stay home until they recover. In other words, how it has always been with symptoms caused by influenza and coronavirus, that is until a large segment of the population forgot basic scientific information we have known for decades.

good night, Dr. Jeff

So you have nothing. Not a single fact, not a single viable reference.

"Facts? We don't need no stinkin' facts!" said every idiot liberal. "References? We don't need no stinking reality!" Heavencanamatuertrollwithunlimitedstupidity

You a tiresome fella, Doc. Het some rest before your next shift.

Time for your nap, "old man". You decaying brain matter is overtaxed.

Trump is ten years older than me. You may be on to something, Doc

You couldn't keep up with him if you were in your 20s. Mentally or physically.

Are you dead yet?

Hey, don't be mad at me, lambchop. I'm here to help. Why don't you tell us a bit about your story? It might help people empathize.

I had it starting Jan 7, 2020- before it became a worldwide crisis. I'm in the group that it was supposed to kill, didn't die. Low energy for 3 months, but didn't die. I travel about 10,000 miles a month for work and everywhere I go, comparing notes with airport staff and others- the coronavirus wave started as early as late November, most people had all the symptoms in December, January and February- much earlier than when it became a worldwide crisis.
Israel is highly dependent on foreign construction workers and reported that Chinese workers were inexplicably not returning to work after traveling home to celebrate the Chinese New Year (Jan 25). Speculation now is that most had gotten the virus at heme and were too sick to travel.
There has never been a thorough randomized study of the general population to establish the statistical baseline for all of the dire predictions that were made, so we may never know how much this virus spread in people with strong T-cell responses and classic antibody development. Recent studies that never make the press indicate that as many as 60% of the population has had it and not suffered (any more than any typical bug).
In short, this has been an unprecedented over reaction to a naturally occurring event. The only justifiable rationalization for this shutdown frenzy is that world leaders were convinced this was an engineered virus bioweapon accidentally or intentionally released by the Chinese lab in Wuhan.
I apologize for taunting you with the "Are you dead yet?" question, but you are an intelligent person and I'd love nothing more than for you to broaden your sources of information so you can get comfortable with going back to your normal life without being fearful that everyone around you can kill you, your friends or your family. To be honest, sorting through all the noise on this to get to the truth is not easy, so boiling this down to the simplest level, as of the last time I checked the US which leads the world in COVID-19 deaths has had 110,000 deaths attributed to COVID-19. That equals 0.00033% or 33/1000ths of 1% of our population. You have better odds of being struck by lightening in your lifetime than of dying from this virus.

well there you go. that was great, but I want to comment on a few points. people in the highest-risk groups do have a greater chance of being killed by the virus once infected (hence the categorization as high-risk), but not every infected person dies. so being an infected member of a high-risk group and surviving does not mean that the deadliness of the virus is somehow overrated. some survive and some don't.

if there's never been a thorough study of the general population, and only some underpublicized studies suggest as much as 60% of the population has had it (which seems a very high estimate given the size of the population, the virus' known incubation period, and the evident and still very upward trajectory of growth in the number of known cases), then it seems premature at this point to conclude that we are overreacting. the WHO and CDC are very experienced at the analysis of infectivity, path, trajectory, mortality rates and other impact of epidemics, and they are extremely dismayed. we see that other countries hit earlier than us have fared very poorly in underrating the danger of this virus. as a scientist, I always read broadly but I tend to respect most the raw data and make my own interpretations as carefully as I can.

you may have worked out part of this 'statistical significance' issue already. if I measure out 2.39 mg of LiOH on my best analytical balance and add it to one liter of neutral deionized water, that gives me a specific concentration of hydroxide ion in solution (0.000100 molar). it's a low concentration as compared with scenarios where I might have added 2.39 g or 23.9 g instead. but it's high compared with the original concentration of 0.0000001 molar. we can say that a certain amount is significant or insignificant compared to a certain other amount, but that's not the same as statistical significance, which is part of a statistical analysis. the value 0.000100 molar is significant if you care about the purity of water. can you drink it and survive? easily. do you want to?

some of the other problems with pointing to a number like 110,000 and saying it's insignificant are: one, they're people; two, that number was reduced by people staying home, distancing and wearing masks when out, isolating when sick; so criticizing the number as small is criticizing success; and then lastly, we don't pick single data points on a graph and say 'too small'. that number used to be much smaller and it's still growing by

about 1000 people a day. we still don't know where it's going. but we can't point to a single data point, a snaphot of a longterm process, and say it represents our chance of death. we can estimate chances by the longer-term data from other countries. a lot of lightning strikes over there.