The results are in, aaaaaaand...

Here we go again.

It's true that *after* Trump "said something": Some doctors drank the Kool-Aid, others didn't. Confusion and panic led to difficult decisions regarding clinical treatment before all the evidence was in, and you'll find doctors who fell on both sides of that line.

Now the evidence is in. And what does it say?

Doctors in South Korea were prescribing the drug as well as other countries.

Please, just do some actual reading, bitchboy

And some legitimate doctors here, and some quack doctors.

It turns out they were all wrong.

From (some of) the medical community, to Trump, to Trump supporters, to a hyperpartisan flash point, to in the end an object lesson in the importance of evidence and data

One interesting covid-19 subplot of many

But no, it is not the cure

It was never meant to BE A CURE...it was a TREATMENT.

God, you can be the biggest idiot at times.

How is a treatment? What does it do to help (outside of suppress the immune system which could probably be helpful in later stages under severe CRS) as a preventative measure? Why would Trump take it while NOT being sick with COVID? Seems dangerous.

LOL...you're acting as if Trump just decided to take a drug, and it wasn't prescribed to him, by the White House doctor.

Again, I don't know why a certain drug would be prescribed, I am not a doctor. But you're acting as if Trump is not under medical supervision.

Sorry can't keep going below:

I don't know how much I know, maybe its more than the WH doctor. No idea.

The Dr. may not know what he needs to know. OR say what he knows.

LOL...and you throw rational thought out the window.

Maybe you know more than the doctor who looks after the world's most powerful man?

LOL

Feel free to post your CV...here is the doctors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Conley

Good luck

I don't need luck. I know people who have it. And I'm a resource for them.

See how irrational that is?

"Maybe you know more than the doctor who looks after the world's most powerful man? LOL"

LOL Maybe I do.....

LOL I deal with people with WAY more credits on their CV than that. And I am a resource to them.

It's all good. I'll be fine. Good luck.

That's even more irrational than your previous claim.

"I know people who have better CVs"...and how does that assign any credibility to you? At all.

Dude....I don't know all. But I know what i know. But given what we ALL know about HCQ....how would it be good to take it as a PRE emptive measure?"

Do you know more than the White House doctor? That's all that matters.

Michael Jackson was under medical supervision too. Maybe Conley was trying to kill Trump by having him take hydroxychloroquine as a preventative measure against COVID-19.

That only took you a week to come up with "not all doctors are good, look at Michael Jackson", and then finish it with a conspiracy theory.

Yeah I just don’t care enough to reply quickly because I have a life.

No, it just takes you a week to come up with idiotic responses wrapped in conspiracy theories

KylieFart memed about you

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This guy needs help

Spoon might not be enough because it seems pretty wedged up there, along with his head.

I'm thinking more of a cannon fired harpoon topped with a grappling hook.

tipped*

He needs a enema to dislodge whatever is causing his massive bowel blockage.

It's severe. My need a spoon to get it out.

haha

It is neither a cure nor a treatment.

Hope this helps.

Your own link says more data is coming.

"Proponents of the drug as a COVID-19 treatment argue it may need to be administered at an earlier stage in the disease to be effective. Doctors are waiting for studies that might prove that."

Reading is fun

What I don't understand is why HCQ would be offered (or taken) as a preventative measure at all. It's an immunosuppresive. It literally shuts your immune responses off. This is helpful when someone is under cytokine response storm and their immune system is OVER reacting and causing serious issues of inflammation among other things. However at that point its more important to help the patient by turning off their immune response. If you shut down the immune system BEFORE this situation you are open to infections because your system is basically unresponsive. It seems counter-intuitive to take HCQ for preventative measures. Actually it seems dangerous to do so.

I am not a doctor, so I can't speak as to why any drug is given for any particular reason or not.

Haha

The Lancet, a peer-reviewed medical journal that published a 96,000-subject study indicting the efficacy of the politically controversial hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 has retracted its findings that the malaria medication led to an increased risk of death.

“Today, three of the authors of the paper, ‘Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis”, have retracted their study,” The Lancet said in a retraction statement Thursday.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/04/lancet-formally-retracts-fake-hydroxychloroquine-study-used-by-media-to-attack-trump-inbox/?fbclid=IwAR3TBC4OotB9aG4wMGz7V5jdkQg2-8UjN_0v9FuamfwvMzAaoQmzPy8skng

How good are you at unrunning victory laps?

Oh boy, retuning to a week-old meme. Persistent you are!

No one else is gonna see this, ya know.

Anyway I just addressed this issue in a comment on another top politics meme about this. Incoming copy-paste:

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If Trump ever touts the virtues of drinking water, it will be one of the most reality-based comments he’s made over the course of his entire presidency, and I’ll be first in line to thank him.

Now...

As for the Lancet study, others here have been over it.

I’ll just add that many other trials around the world have been rolling in over the past several weeks, and they have all reached similar negative results with no suggestion of data problems.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/05/hydroxychloroquine-had-no-benefit-for-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-possibly-closing-door-to-use-of-drug/

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/studies-find-further-lack-covid-benefit-hydroxychloroquine

Note that many of these studies are taking place in countries where HXQ has not been politicized to nearly the degree that it has here in America thanks to Trump’s strong association with it. They have no reason to be biased one way or the other.

As it stands, HXQ is neither a proven cure nor a treatment for Covid-19. And every new study that reaches the same result closes the door further on the notion that it ever will be.

Hope this helps.

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So no thanks, I won’t be un-running victory laps, but I reiterate my challenge to you to go try to find a doctor to prescribe you HXQ if you come down with Covid. And let me know how it goes.

I’ll toss your anecdote on the pile along with Trump’s, opposite the pile that contains all this data.

I know for a fact doctors are still prescribing it. My fiance is a nurse.

KF last week: this study proves Trump is am idiot.

KF this week: doesn't matter the study was a massive failure and couldn't verify their data. Trump is still wrong.

I referenced several studies over the course of this discussion.

If the Lancet study was a massive failure, it’s just back to square one on that. Doesn’t suggest it’s effective.

The Lancet was the largest study, and considered to be the most important, and of course you're also ignoring more studies have yet to be released.

Well, the President backed the wrong horse and apparently continues to take this drug himself. He inserted himself into the debate around the drug and politicized it, so I guess it is about him in a way.

But above all, it’s about sharing real science and protecting the public.

I guess until Trump admits his error himself and corrects the record for the public — and color me surprised if he ever does — memes like this should ensue. As I am positive there are people out there who are still taking Trump’s word for it.

There are many other potential treatments in the works that haven’t been politicized to nearly this degree and which show more promise. Example: Dr. Fauci recommended Remdesivir a few weeks ago after studies showed evidence it led to faster recovery times.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1195171

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remdesivir

But if you catch covid and can get a doctor to prescribe you hydroxychloroquine, and are belligerent enough to ignore the studies I’ve shown you, then have at it.

As far as things that would actually help protect you and have absolutely no side-effects: Well, staying socially distant to the extent possible and wearing face masks is a start.

Eyyy we’ve been over that one too.

You cant help yourself. Again you politicize medicine in order to take a perceived victory lap over Trump while ignoring the fact you are celebrating people not having an affordable and widely available treatment.

It's Trump Derangement Syndrome to the extreme

Dude. Its trump DEFENSE syndrome

Whoa Kay guy

Believe it or not, I wanted HXQ to work. I wanted anything to work.

But as a consolation prize, sure, I’ll take one of these

Exactly - These idiots don't get it.

We want SOMETHING. ANYTHING to work. Doesn't matter if the left....right....middle....say it's THEIR solution. Just come to the tabel with a valid....DATA DRIVEN, Scientiically proven solution.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/us-hospitals-slash-use-of-drug-championed-by-trump-as-coronavirus-treatment/ar-BB14KUix?ocid=spartanntp

Do more reading OF YOUR OWN F**KING LINK

"Proponents of the drug as a COVID-19 treatment argue it may need to be administered at an earlier stage in the disease to be effective. Doctors are waiting for studies that might prove that."

More data is being developed.

lol okay. I always welcome further studies.

In the meantime, the sensible thing is to roll safe with the information from the studies we have.

Which is summarized in the headline and the first paragraph of the article, which I posted above.

They did not bury the lede.

LOL...yeah you better email the author of your link and explain what a conspiratorial article he wrote it highlights more studies are coming.

You make yourself out to be a jackass everyday on this site. It's hilarious to watch.

I'll let you handle that email, I think the article is fine.

You think parts of the article are fine. Which explains your parsing it.

The one doing the parsing and the grasping is you.

I highlighted the part of the article you avoided. My parsing was to complete your incomplete accounting of what it said.

Memes are intended to convey information concisely. Admittedly, I did not screenshot and post the entire article in my OP meme. So: Guilty as charged.

However, I linked the article for all interested to read and make up their own minds.

If you find the fact that "further studies are on the way" to be significant, in the face of everything else presented in that article, that's your prerogative.

Its the prerogative of the medical community, not my own. They have access to the study highlighted in the article, yet they continue research. They didn't just say "oh, hey, there's one study that says the drug is largely ineffective, so lets just quit."

Several studies.

And in the meantime, it’s these hospitals’ prerogative to pull it.

The article is highlighting a single observational study out of England.

Again, READ YOUR OWN F**KING LINK

The paragraph I posted in my OP meme references “several studies.” Lol.

And I thought you were aware of the other studies: I’ve posted about them before.

Here’s another study, with the takeaway passage excerpted above: do you want more?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext

Here’s another link, why not.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/studies-find-further-lack-covid-benefit-hydroxychloroquine

Off the top of my head, I can think of one in France and another involving veterans here in the U.S. but there may be more at this point.