The 4 Idiots of the Apocalypse

It’s majority rules for a reason. Most of the population aren’t at risk and should not be punished.

Those who are susceptible have to take responsibility to protect themselves. It’s not the government’s job.

What I have noticed, is that when someone says "people need to take responsibility for themselves" what they mean is "other people need to change so I don't have to."

Part of being responsible for yourself is making sure you don't 1) catch it and 2) limit the spread.

Stay Home. Wear a mask if you go outside. Wash your damn hands.

If everyone does this, it stops.

Should be ...making sure you 1) don't catch it and 2) limit the spread. Otherwise you're saying don't limit the spread. :D But I knew what you meant.

If you don't want it, stay home, don't force it on the rest of us

Your lack of personal responsibility for your health and safety along with the lack of responsibility for the health and safety of those you love (and live near) is stunning.

Cool

The whole point of quarantine was never to wait out the virus it was to flatten the curve so our health care systems were not overwhelmed. Well mission accomplished they have been underwhelmed now let’s go back to normal life.

No...the curve is flattenING not flattened, which means it's workING. Since there is no vaccine or very reliable treatment going "back to normal" now will mean "going back to March 15th" or so when the shit was hitting the fan.

Just opening the floodgates now is stupid. A well-thought out, data (and SCIENCE) driven plan of action to reopen is smart.

No throwing away your freedom over something not likely to kill you is stupid

Your freedom ends at everyone elses safety.

When you refuse to take responsibility for yourself, you contribute to the spread.

It's not like you're some isolated island that doesn't come in contact with anyone.

If you don't take the responsibility to stay home, wash your hands, and wear a mask- when you get infected, you will infect a lot more people.

Because they too are "protecting their freedoms" by not wearing a mask, not staying home, and not washing their hands.

I am taking responsibility for myself by working and making money to provide for my family and myself and not having to rely on the government for scraps. It's not my job to protect others. It is my responsibility to look out for myself and my family. Everyone else has the responsibility to take care of themselves. What that looks like changes from person to person. If you choose to let fear control your life then that is your choice. You don't get to push your fears on others.

1 in 20 who get it die. About 1 in 200 people in the US have it or have had it. Unless I'm mistaken, that your definition of not likely is about 1 in 4000.

Prove it if that was true then the population of New York would be much less

I believe I've already proved how this virus kills 6% of those who are infected. But sure, I'll do it again.

New York state has a population of 19.5 million. 29,112 have died.

(29,112 ÷ 19,500,000) x 100 = 0.15% have died.

Meaning, in New York, about 1 in 667 have died. Nearly 6 times worse than the average estimate.

I checked your math it’s less than 1% of people have died in New York. Tell me why is that scary? As sad as it is people die everyday. A disease that has killed less than 1% of people in a massive city is not a cause of concern. The world is not ending move on with your life.

Yes, I've said less than 1% of the population have died when I said .15% have died.

You seemed concerned about 1 in 4000 by telling me to prove it, yet in New York, 1 in 667. The question isn't why I think it's scary. The question is when does it become scary for you? When it's 1 in a billion? 1 in a million? 1 in a thousand? 1 in the hundreds? You tell me. I'm already concerned with a fatality rate higher than .1% among infected.

The world is not ending. Human beings are dying of a disease not seen on this global scale in a very long time. 100 years in the US, at least. The Spanish Flu was estimated to have killed 675,000 in the US. The first wave in the spring killing only 10% of the final total. That's around 67,000. Right now, we're on the first wave and well on our way to 100 thousand. If this is anything like the 1918 pandemic, we're expected to reach a death toll closer to 1 million.

It's not the end of the world. But it may cost you your life to ignore it.

Not to sound insensitive or anything but people die every day. Let’s look at New York with a population of 9.5 million people. You say the Spanish flu killed 675000 on the entire US well if that was just in New York there still would be about 8.8 million people in New York.

You saw the Coronavirus has killed 100,000 people well if all those people lived in New York that still leaves 9.4 million people. In 1 city. Worldwide that’s less than a scratch on the total population.

I’ll take my chances I like that 99% survival rate. It won’t be scary for me until that changes. So it never will be scary for me.

What I mean is if you want to stay home or wear a mask or don’t work then don’t. But for those of use who want to should be allowed too.

"Not to sound insensitive or anything but people die every day. Let’s look at New York with a population of 9.5 million people. You say the Spanish flu killed 675000 on the entire US well if that was just in New York there still would be about 8.8 million people in New York.

You saw the Coronavirus has killed 100,000 people well if all those people lived in New York that still leaves 9.4 million people. In 1 city. Worldwide that’s less than a scratch on the total population.

I’ll take my chances I like that 99% survival rate. It won’t be scary for me until that changes. So it never will be scary for me."

Yes, you've said that people die every day. I've heard that loud and clear.

I said "We're well on our way to 100 thousand" not killed 100,000. I prefer to remain linear in my comments and refuse to speak 2-3 days into the future.

99% survival is uncertain. 94% survival of the virus is closer to certain.

Do you know what happened to the creature that lived without fear and followed mindlessly what the majority of it's kind did? It went extinct. So, in short, don't be a dodo.

A little fear is healthy. If you are so offended by it, call it cautious. But don't use other people's irrationality as excuse to bypass your responsibility to yourself and others.

“A little fear is healthy” this isn’t a little fear. You people are allowing fear to control your life. If you want to fine I don’t care. But your fears don’t control my life. As to responsibility call me a murderer but I haven’t killed anyone and if you die from a virus that’s not on me.

Fear has an aspect of control on many people's lives. What you choose to do about it is entirely up to you. Until it isn't.

Until it isn’t and the way things are going our freedom to choose won’t last much longer

Your freedom to choose may be suspended temporarily if people choose to ignore the virus. And continue to encourage other people to ignore it.

I’m not ignoring it I’m just not running around like a headless chicken

"Most of the population aren’t at risk and should not be punished."

"Those who are susceptible have to take responsibility to protect themselves."

"The whole point of quarantine was never to wait out the virus it was to flatten the curve so our health care systems were not overwhelmed. Well mission accomplished they have been underwhelmed now let’s go back to normal life."

"America: gives up freedoms to temporarily make them feel safer; American Government: never gives them back; America: :O"

"No throwing away your freedom over something not likely to kill you is stupid"

"I’ll take my chances I like that 99% survival rate. It won’t be scary for me until that changes. So it never will be scary for me."

All of these seem to indicate you're encouraging people to ignore it and that you, yourself, are ignoring it.

Wow you went through all my comments that’s cool.

I believe people are overreacting. If we want to vote away our freedom to choose the government doesn’t have to give it back and we would be powerless against them.

The virus is not likely to kill you unless you are high risk. If it was really that bad we would all personally know someone who has died from it. As it is nobody I have talked to can say they know someone who died. As a matter of fact I have heard the opposite.

“Both my grandparents got the Coronavirus but they are still alive and well”

Meanwhile I don’t know anyone who has died and neither do the most pro masks people on this website.

So my question to you good sir do you personally know someone who has died of the Coronavirus?

Thank you.

I don't think you have to vote for martial law.

Yes, that is what I'm hoping does not happen. That things do not progress to that point where we know someone whose died. It's entirely preventable.

I can say that I know someone whose in critical condition right now. She is my cousin and she is in a nursing home. She will very likely die.

I’m sorry to hear that I hope she recovers.

what about the people who think the term Karen is as bad as the new word

I think those people are all named Karen.

They can be one of the horses ( :

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OH, now you care about Memaw and Papaw. Before it was "Hey, granny and gramps gotta sacrifice themselves to get this economy rolling!" But now you care.

Gotcha.

Mmm, no, I always cared about my grandparents. Again, are you trying to excuse this? Have you any answer for why someone would do this? But by all means, just deflect the question

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/20/859814085/researchers-nearly-half-of-accounts-tweeting-about-coronavirus-are-likely-bots

Bruh. My grandparents both got coronavirus and they're both alive and well. It's not the apocalypse.

Bruh I know people way younger and healthier than the average gramma and they died.

Statistically speaking the higher risk groups are older, diabetic, immuno compromised, have heart or lung issues etc BUT it can kill anyone. Kids included. Of course the numbers are lower for those groups but still a reality.

Conversely there are older people that live through it as well. It's kinda unpredictable. Adding to the point that everyone shoul be wearing a mask to protect OTHERS from catching it from someone that is asymptomatic and carrying it. Because you "feel fine" doesn't mean you are not carrying it.

We need lots and lots of testing and tracing to keep tabs on where it is and who has/had it. Verifiable data is key.

The average age of the people who have died of coronavirus is in the eighties. I'm not saying others don't die because others do die if they have underlying health conditions. All I'm saying is keep the vulnerable inside and let everyone else get back to work.

That’s just simply not true. Young people with no underlying conditions absolutely have died from this virus. It’s OK though I mean you don’t have to believe it and you know I have to change your life to protect yourself from it but it is going to kill people you know and people you love and people that are younger than you and people that are older than you and people that are the same age as you it’s just going to happen.

There have been 12 deaths in the entire United States of America that have been under twenty-five. Two were infants and the rest were people who had respiratory issues before hand. I know no one who has died and every famous person who has got it has overcome it. The recovery rate is 86% in the USA. Also I'm sure you saw the news story about the 104 year old who got it and survived. Also I noted you used future tense when writing it hasn't happened. You think it will but you don't know for all we know about the future every person I know and love could die but thats extremely unlikely (I've had it, my grandparents have had it, my entire family of seven has had it, and my close neighbor had it). Reopen and will see what happens if there is a surge of DEATHS not cases we will shut down there will be more CASES but that will cause less death because after you've had it your immune and that's exactly what a vaccine is so why wait for the vaccine become immune naturally.

I said "people way younger and healthier than the average gramma and they died."

Under 25 is REALLY young. I was thinking under 50 or so.

Oh, well what I said still stands though most people will develop a natural immunity and if you think you might be vulnerable stay inside and let the rest of us get back to work.

Right, you get it and die or you live and get immunity. Those are the only options.

Yes but if you think you're vulnerable to it stay in so you don't die, if not get back to work.

Fun Fact: not all people are in danger to the virus.

I know that but who is in danger if most old people aren't?

Just because your grandparents survived it, does not mean that all will survive. .

Well that was dark. Yes people die but it's not worth shutting down everything.

Then why are you guys against abortion? it doesn't hurt the economy.

Abortion is purposely killing an infant. The economy has nothing to do with it, it is a moral issue. I never said let old people die I simply think that shutting down the entire United States is insane to save less than 3% of the population (aborted babies would make up roughly 7% of our population). We need to do 3 things limit visitors to senior homes, limit gatherings to 150 and restart schools to cause herd immunity.

There is no "herd immunity" without a vaccine. If there is no vaccine it's basically letting the virus "run its course." Which is fine but the end game is: get it and die, or get it and live. If you never get it you are just lucky to have never been around someone that actively has it.

Well you realize that herd immunity is a primitive version of a vaccine. Either way you get the virus and you overcome it.

Yes, the people who aren't immune die. That's the primitive version of herd immunity. Your solution is to let them die with no preventive measures?

There's already three drugs out to fight coronavirus and yes they're FDA approved. If someone were to get a serious case they could use the drugs or go to the hospital. If you know you're likely to die of it then stay inside but let the rest of us get back to work. We need to do 3 things limit visitors to senior homes, limit gatherings to 150 and restart schools to cause herd immunity.

Facts ^

"There's already three drugs out to fight coronavirus and yes they're FDA approved."

But not for Covid-19.

"If someone were to get a serious case they could use the drugs or go to the hospital."

And have a 2-14% chance of dying still.

"If you know you're likely to die of it then stay inside but let the rest of us get back to work."

So you admit your solution is to let them die.

"We need to do 3 things limit visitors to senior homes,"

Democrats say yay; Republicans say nay

"limit gatherings to ̶1̶50

Democrats say yay; Republicans say nay

"and restart schools to cause herd immunity"

Democrats say nay; Republicans say yay

Herd immunity doesn't work without a vaccine.

There isn't one.

Just because we have a number of people who do not die or have little to symptoms doesn't mean they're immune. It will take years for that to build up naturally, and in the meanwhile, you will be sacrificing hundreds of millions of people to do that. Not a great plan.

1. lol coronavirus is Covid-19.
2. 2-14% out of the less than 1% of the population is an extremely small number.
3-5. We've already won against coronavirus and the Democrats are in part to thank but they need to realized it's time to reopen which the Republicans have.
6. By the way the (official but who knows how many died in China) death count is only 100,000. That's not many. There have been more suicide deaths this year than Covid deaths. Natural/herd immunity is easy to build but viruses strain/evolve so if you're immune to one after catching the virus you're likely to get a different strain and overcome that so no one will fully overcome this virus. That's why the flu comes back every year because a different strain is attacking your immune system. Also we've had more flu deaths this year than Covid-19. I'm not saying those who will/have died don't matter but abortion kills 2000+ babies per minute so if you truly care for life fight against something you can stop where as a virus will continue to happen no matter what we do.

1. They're NOT approved by the FDA for fighting Covid-19.
2. 2-14% of the total population.

328.2 million people live in the US. 1% of that would be 3.3 million. Even if you were right that it will be 2-14% of 3.3 million, that would be about 65,640 to half a million. I think most people will agree that half a million isn't an extremely small number.

3-5. Not if we follow the H1N1 model of 1918. And experts say that due to how this coronavirus transmits, it's unlikely we'll see numbers go down in the Summer. Which is well on our way to seeing double the count by Fall, if not more.

6. The official death count in the US is 97,049. (well above .01% of the population you just claimed.) Globally, without China, the death count is ‭343,589. Without the US number it's ‬246, 540. Nearly twice what you claim the death count is. Natural herd immunity takes years to develop. You would be sacrificing ... thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of lives. Not to mention the diplomatic repercussions we may have for failing to tackle the virus properly if the rest of the world gets better before us. And statistics seem to indicate that to be very likely.

If we have more flu deaths than Covid-19 deaths that must be a record because flu deaths average between 12,000 to 79,000. The CDC claims that only 176 deaths have occurred this season so far... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.html

1. There is one drug intended for fighting Covid-19 (https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/fda-approves-remdesivir-as-emergency-coronavirus-treatment/) that's is FDA approved and multiple others which fight the virus just as well if not better but are not intended for it.

2. Half a million people is a fairly large number. But put that into perspective in a percent that's 0.00030303030303% (100,000/330,000,000)of the American population that's extremely small.

3-5. Heat kills the virus, so numbers will go down this summer but like the flu will come back in the fall winter and spring.

6. Excuse my mistake I meant the US death count was 100,000.

Your link didn't work, they deleted their stats. Why you might ask? I don't know but that's pretty shifty. I don't trust the CDC, it's about as trustworthy as any mainstream news network.

1. Again, the FDA has not officially approved any drug for treatment of Covid-19. Yes, they are FDA approved drugs, but not specifically for Covid-19.

2. Did you just say 100,000 was half a million? Also in the percentile it’s 0.03. You have to multiply it by 100 to get the percentile. And half a million would be 0.15%.

3to5. Heat is a factor for normal Coronavirus strains. This isn’t a normal coronavirus. We don’t know yet if it will have an effect but given how many people may be infected, it’s longer than normal incubation, and how it is transmitted, experts say to no longer rely on high temperatures to fight it off.

6. No worries. It still was in a count of 97,000, tho when you said that. It’s not yet 100,000.

7. It updates daily a ton of information. If you’re going to argue statistics, it’s best to leave personal bias out of it. Unless you have another source to contribute?

I see the link is broken but it is still there. Just not well coded. Here is a screenshot. To get here, go to CDC.gov, search flu, (make sure you’re searching all) and go down to...
Ah I made a mistake.

These are pediatric deaths. Okay that makes sense to what I was originally going to say.

Okay, the Covid-19 deaths and influenza deaths are going to have some overlap so you can’t count either of them as separate. Supposedly the CDC claims the current fatality rate for influenza and pneumonia is at 7.3% this week. Which considering covid-19 fatality rate is currently at 6%, it would be accurate to say that the 2020 flu season is deadlier than covid-19. However, again, there is overlap. And one may be exacerbating the other. Not to mention this will be a record number of deaths this decade attributed to influenza.

1. Yes, that's true I have no argument against that. But we don't need a drug to badly. I know no one who has died I'm not saying those lives don't matter I'm saying 0.15% of our population is not the majority and not a reason to shut down the entire United States.

2. Excuse my mistake again I'm no professor, in addition I wrote it rather later at night.

3-5.Yes heat strains the virus, the same way habitat kills off animals who don't evolve fast enough leaving the adapt organisms.

6. We will no doubt hit over 100,000 by the end of this year, that's going to happen no matter what we do but that's going to be normal in the future. Mark my words by the year 2025 it will be normal to hear "Bob was out with coronavirus today" as it is to hear "Steve was out with the flu" today. It's going to become normal. There will be a Covid season the same way there's a flu season.

7. We've had 62,000 flu deaths this year (according to the New York Post) and in the past we've had 80,000 by this time. The virus is new to our immune systems though so we will have more deaths this year than we will any year in the future.

Well everything you said has truth to it, ask yourself is it worth shutting down the entire country for 0.15% of people. If your at risk stay inside and let the rest of us get back to work. We have won against coronavirus and it's time to restart the nation. Places like Georgia and Texas have vanished from the news because their reopening has been successful and good news doesn't sell. Millions of jobs have been sacrificed for 97,000 people that's not fair. Here in Minnesota our bishops are standing against the Walz but will not open churches at full capacity but at 1/3 capacity. There is a reason to shutdown but not a strong one. The hospitals here are empty and many are laying off doctors. We need to reopen.

"We've had 62,000 flu deaths this year (according to the New York Post) and in the past we've had 80,000 by this time."

Can you link the source?

It contradicts what I read from the CDC and a quick search shows the Post talking about preventing 62,000 deaths in France from Covid... so that's not it.

Excuse me I screwed up again I quoted the Los Angeles Times in a 2017 article. But here's a hospital's report for this year. The numbers are in about the 4 sentence. Here's the link:

https://www.rochesterregional.org/news/2020/01/flu-season-2020

62,000 flu deaths but some of those are Covid-19 deaths too. That is possible. As I said....

"Supposedly the CDC claims the current fatality rate for influenza and pneumonia is at 7.3% this week. Which considering covid-19 fatality rate is currently at 6%, it would be accurate to say that the 2020 flu season is deadlier than covid-19."

But, remember, some of these deaths are going to overlap.

The main contention I have is that "in the past we've had 80,000 by this time."

When we average between 12,000 to 79,000, it is possible that last year we hit a spike of 80,000 deaths by this point perhaps. That wouldn't upset the average exactly. Yet, it is still higher than normal.

I don't think it's worth shutting down the country though. If it hits 175,000 this year I would be pro-lock down but until then that's too small an amount to shut down the entire country.

10,000 people died this week from Covid-19.

So, I guess if that rate remains consistent by July, you'll start considering about taking this more seriously? Okay.

I really hope it deescalates before then and that heat DOES cause the virus to weaken. Good luck with that gamble!