Doctor Strangelove says...

I used to agree with this 100%. I've voted for Dems, Pubs, Independents, Libertarians, Green Party, etc., etc.

I always voted for the person and their positions, relative to the office they were seeking.

Since Trump was elected, the Democrat party has lost their collective minds.

Unless they somehow regain their collective minds, I don't see myself voting for another Democrat, at least not at the state or federal level, any time soon.

If my only choice will be a Democrat, or someone else who I wouldn't vote for anyway, I'll just skip that particular vote.

I would argue neither party is collectively well in the mindset. And Trump being the symptom and not the cause. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't treat the symptom. Four years of Biden is preferable to eight years of Trump. Four and four, is my hope.

Sure, four years of Biden sounds like a real walk in the countryside.

I'm not saying we should get Biden into office to own the Repubs or something stupid like that. I merely think that between two obviously demented candidates, that we not let the current demented candidate waste our time. Perhaps Biden's team will be more competent than Trump's rotating board of trustees.

I think if you could be honest, at least with yourself, about it, you wouldn't compare Trump's mental state to Biden's. Biden pretty clearly is sinking into dementia; the only question would seem to be at what pace. Trump, otoh, would seem to be simply an ego-maniacal narcissist, and we've had plenty of very effective presidents with the same condition.

At least with Trump, we know he's in charge. We have clear evidence! With Biden, we would have no clue who is pulling his strings.

Alzheimers is Trump's excuse though?
Granted, he's always been crazy and not so bright, but his slipping has been accelerating.

The only thing Trump is in charge of is the contents of today's Happy Meal, well, minus the surprise toy. Just ask Netanyau, Salman, Erdogan, Kim, and oh yeah, his #1 boss, Putin.
If the Donny was anymore beta, he'd be a sidewalk. In Manhattan (if you saw one, you'd understand).

Ahhh, souffle, why are you asking me about Trump and Alzheimer's?

I never said anything in my reply to DoctorStrangelove about Alzheimer's. As you usually do, your comment clearly has come straight of your butt, which passes for your mouth.

You feel the need to stick your ignorant nose into a conversation not involving you, because... why?

Because you want to dumb it down?

That's all you're capable of contributing.

tl;dr

You still crying, biitchboi? Things that boring with your sock puppet wife at your job that 'isn't' in Australia where your family lives?

Trump is not in charge. His circle of media followers and whoever is in the room with him last is.

Agree in principle. But it's like gravity - it applies equally to all.

Here's a variation on that idea for example.

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Nice meme! A little over the top, but that's what proves its point. The Dems would vote for anyone, any horrible, demented, perverted, whatever, person we could name, if it would get Trump out of office.

And that my friends, is TDS in a nutshell.

Yeah, see thats the thing. Biden's quid pro quo wasn't for personal gain. You can try to equate Trump's own admitted corruption and failings with Biden but Biden doesn't compare to Trump's inexperience, incompetence, and incomprehension. You can't highlight any of Trump's accomplishments now that they're all going down in flames in the eleventh hour.

You can claim that those who are willing to vote for Biden, or are overwhelmingly anti-Trump, are hypocritical or somehow "happy" the economy is tanking but in the end that defense says way more about Trump than it does Biden or the people willing to vote for him.

But feel free to defend a man who the majority would have rather had Hillary Clinton as President than him. That's how bad Trump was and still is. Back then, Trump was at least worth the benefit of the doubt. You cannot say that same thing the second time around.

And the lesser of two evils argument no longer stands in favor of Trump.

I would be perfectly willing to vote for a Republican President.

If we had one to choose from.

Actually I argue it proves the alertness of the people that they knew to distrust Hillary. As a former lifelong Dem, I did too. I voted Libertarian instead, but if it's close next time, I'll do what it takes to defeat pedo Joe.

Your defense of Joe's open admission he blackmailed a foreign government with a billion in our money is so lame I think even you are intellectual enough not to believe it yourself. A lot of memes on this site showed much greater ethical clarity than that.

And I think the Trump record is positive. Particularly if you learn to see through the MSM lies, which I did decades ago.

I guess that's where we leave it.

So you threw your vote away because you didn't understand how the Electoral College works. Thats okay, people make mistakes and can learn from them. I assume you'll be voting for Trump more directly this time around.

Yes, Biden blackmailed a government to remove a prosecutor going soft on in a corruption investigation. Unfortunately, the US does this all the time. It's how most diplomacy works, honestly. Saying it was for his immediate personal gain is disingenuous and trying to make what Trump did somehow acceptable. It's a poor defense and any decent Senate would've removed a President for it.

I don't watch MSM. The only media that sings of Trump's praises is online, Russian, and the occasional Fox News opinion piece.

Not disagreeing the US does it, but you may yet make the discovery the object of your contempt is actually fighting that, for a first in decades if not centuries.

To call Biden's act not his immediate personal gain is comical. Perhaps you might yet someday be shown it's not a coincidence that multiple major political families were in on the Ukraine porkfest. And any decent Senate would have recognized that we ARE allowed, in fact required, by law, to blow the whistle on corruptions like the Biden affair represented.

I also largely shun the MSM, but ample other diverse sources, and Russian sources not infrequently get closer to the truth than ours. Ditto Iran.

No, Trump is not fighting that. If his blunder of the handling of Ukraine aid to bribe the President of Ukraine told us anything, it's that he's more of the same, if not worst for obviously targeting Biden (not the so-called many political families that have ties to Ukraine.)

Good try, but no.

If you believe the MSM, no. If you do your own homework, think independently, connect dots others may not, and allow that life is full of surprises, the conclusion is different.

Obviously ymmv.

Mileage is inherently about facts. The metaphorical use just recognizes the relativity of perspective. Which I as a former Dem apparently appreciate better than you.

It sound better than closing with "I'm brilliant and you're an ignorant idiot," which you appear to, even in diluted flavors, prefer to my coexistence attitude. So be it.

Oh, I'm well aware you were using it as a metaphor. Hence why it had nothing to do with the facts. Whether the mileage was measuring intelligence, experience, or perspective is irrelevant to facts.

You willfully ignore the fact that Trump did exactly what he accused Biden of and insist that the only one had reason for personal gain, when that is in direct contradiction to the facts presented if you had done your research as you so claim.

You are free to disagree and even insult me but it does nothing to prove your point. In fact, if you must reduce this argument to petty insults it only shows that your argument is weak.

I await your final reply.

Sure. When someone says ymmv, they are obviously acknowledging the fact that you may or will disagree - at which point "mileage has nothing to do with facts" is just petty. If simply pointing out that fact is "insult" to you, I might not be able persuade you differently.

I don't ignore the Dems claim, I understood it fine when they tried to make it. I repeat: US law allows us to stipulate correction of egregious illegalities as a precondition to aid. In Biden's case it was the exactly reverse, he was demanding the *prevention* of prosecution of a crime (I trust you allow it's not mere coincidence it happened to be his kid), and he lacked the executive legal authority to make the stipulation. The Dems never even raised the Trump claim until their asses were obviously on the line with Quid Pro Joe, so they needed to manufacture a tu quoque or something equally disingenous to cover it. The difference is night and day.

Years ago I used to say at Republicans they could make the case to impeach Bill Clinton if they first impeached Reagan retroactively for Iran-Contra. I make the same observation today: the Dems could morally make their case (and fail) against Trump if they FIRST went after Biden for causing the situation with his naked corruption in the first place. They didn't - and thereby earned my contempt for the real hypocrisy.

I still argue, as one who knows the media, we are not getting the full truth but might have a better shot at it in time ahead.