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Nope, we're all gonna be dead before then. The TP War will wipe out humanity.

Good one :)

Let freedom kill

disobeying traffic laws would mean barreling down every street and running people over. "disobeying" social distancing means going about your everyday life (disobeying in quotations because the government never had any right to put the general public under house arrest in the first place. they're the ones breaking the law). if you disobey traffic laws, you take away others' rights to safety. if you disobey social distancing, the only one you could possibly hurt is yourself. if you're afraid of coronavirus, quarantine yourself, but do not expect everyone else to do so just because you are. this is a meaningless comparison.

good job completely missing the point! if a person has covid-19 and spreads it around town, the only people who could catch it from him are the people who choose to leave their homes.

What about all the people who don’t “choose” to leave their house, like healthcare workers, first responders, and other essential workers who need to keep things running? That one infected person is needlessly spreading it around if the reason for them going around town isn’t essential.

It's a good comparison.

By the CDCs own admittance, this virus is less deadly than the flu. Why don't we do this for the flu?

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“By the CDCs own admittance, this virus is less deadly than the flu.”
Site your source.
Here’s mine: https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-myths.html
Here some key takeaways if you don’t want to read it for yourself:
“ Myth: The coronavirus is less deadly than the flu. So far, it appears the coronavirus is more deadly than the flu”
“ The annual flu typically has a mortality rate of around 0.1% in the U.S. So far, there's a 0.05% mortality rate among those who caught the flu virus in the U.S. this year, according to the CDC.
In comparison, recent data suggests that COVID-19 has a mortality rate more than 20 times higher, of around 2.3%, according to a study published Feb. 18 by the China CDC Weekly.”

“Why don't we do this for the flu?”
Because the flu hasn’t become a global pandemic without any known vaccine. Because hospitals don’t typically become overrun with flu patients who require respirator machines to stay alive. Because the flu doesn’t have as long of an incubation period while carriers don’t know they have it for weeks before showing symptoms and, thus, spread the virus unknowingly. Because the flu isn’t as aggressive as this virus. Do I need to go on?

Actually they are now saying death rate is 0.1% and dropping as we get more testing and people realize that vitamins help you get over it.
Also before the CDC took it down their own website and studies showed that the flu vaccine literally didn't work at all. This is the case for all RNA viruses which mutate rapidly.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/11/why-a-study-showing-that-covid-19-is-everywhere-is-good-news

Yes, the virus is less deadly than predicted. Still doesn’t mean precautions aren’t necessary.

https://abc14news.com/2020/04/13/coronavirus-fatality-rate-lower-than-expected-close-to-flus-0-1/
Its basically the yearly cold caused by vitamin D deficiency due to less sunlight exposure on skin.

It’s a cold caused by vitamin D deficiency? Where on earth did you get that BS from? It’s not even in the article you posted.

Time to cut back on the self medication. 2ea1j0.gif (click to show)

Look up basic health. If you have your vitamins in the proper amount (not the super low amounts recommended by the FDA) then viruses like covid-19 don't affect you. Your immune system work and easily overcomes them. Proof: china has rampant malnutrition. The US doesn't. China death rate over 1%. US death rate less than 0.1%

“ they are now saying death rate is 0.1% and dropping ”
The death rate is dropping because those who need hospitalization are able to get it. Without social distancing, the death rate would be much worse because so many people would be hitting the hospitals at the same time. You should know this because we’ve seen it happen in other countries and here in the USA in places like New York. I have a niece working in the ER of a NYC hospital. She says it’s like a war zone with so many COVID-19 victims coming in at once. Even working 80 hours/week they still don’t have enough healthy staff to keep up with the demand.

https://abc14news.com/2020/04/13/coronavirus-fatality-rate-lower-than-expected-close-to-flus-0-1/
Turns out the hospitals are overloaded because covid-19 is more contagious but the same death rate as the flu. It like getting a years worth of flu victims in one month.

And are you going to rest on laurels and stop following precautions because of a decrease in mortality rate that may be due to people following precautions in the first place? Please don't fall prey to the turkey problem.

HMMMM so... these are nonsense procedures?
Wearing a surgical mask (assuming a functioning N-95+ is inaccessible), stopping you from directly touching your face which spreads contamination AND covers your coughs and sneezes for you
Washing your hands frequently, something you should be doing anyway
Covering your coughs and sneezes (surgical and NIOSH masks help a lot with that)

As for the flu vaccine things, the flu virus vaccines are renewed every year for the next strain, so they DO work to some extent. Some is definitely better than nothing when it comes to attaining herd immunity, the all-important epidemiological shield which every living soul on this planet owes its life to but a large proportion fails to comprehend nor appreciate its existence.
This coronavirus, however, has absolutely NO vaccine. You cannot say the same for the various flus cycled over the past: e.g., H1N1, H5N1, H7N9, etc. Out of these lists of vaccinated-against flus, only H1N1 has been recorded to reach pandemic level. Coronavirus has reached pandemic-level, has no vaccine, boasts a higher basic reproduction number than the flu (meaning that more people can be infected in one sitting, and across multiple infection cycles a little goes a VERY long way), can spread to other people DURING THE 2-WEEK INCUBATION PERIOD (the time between getting infected and showing symptoms), which means you could be infected right now at this very moment, spreading it to everyone else around you, without your even knowing it, etc. A flu does not work like that. A flu has a short incubation period, around 1-2 days, before symptoms, then recover. But the Coronavirus has a 2-week incubation period max, and people can infect others while still asymptomatic. So to say that this virus is no deadlier than the flu is a false equivalence and being a turkey who forecasts a rise in turkey populations, ignorant of the incoming Thanksgiving.

Yes, but that's because I know all but one of the precautions are nonsense. (Hint: stay at home)

“ Why don't we do this for the flu? “
“ Turns out the hospitals are overloaded because covid-19 is more contagious ”
You answered your own question.

Disobeying social distancing would mean you'd risk getting the virus from other people without you even knowing it, and then spreading such a virus to everyone else around where you live. Did you know that this virus has a 2-week incubation period and infected people can spread the disease to others even if they have no symptoms?

Let's talk facts:
6 feet apart only works in direct sunlight or UV light. It does nothing when you go inside a building or cloud cover.
Gloves pick up the virus. I doubt people are bleaching their hands before removing them, so basically pointless.
Masks, unless you have an m95 mask you aren't protecting from jack. Surgical masks, dust masks homemade masks all do nothing.

“6 feet apart only works in direct sunlight or UV light. It does nothing when you go inside a building or cloud cover.”
Site your source. Also, six feet is a minimum.

It’s easy to remove gloves without touching the outside of them. But gloves aren’t even necessary if you properly wash your hands and don’t touch your face in between washing and touching a potentially contaminated surface.

Wearing Non-M95 masks protects, others from you. It also blocks the amount of droplets you’d get if someone sneezed near you and the amount of contamination you’re exposed to can make a big difference. That’s why you should keep a distance in addition to all the other advisories.

Sources are basic science classes on how UV affects viruses.

You get 0 protection from masks because the virus can enter your eyes, ears, and even your pores on your skin.

Basic general knowledge should tell you that the six feet distance isn’t for killing the virus, it’s a minimum to prevent getting it from droplets emitted from another person. UV light has nothing to do with it.

Like I said, the masks are to protect others from you. Try to keep up.

Wrong. The droplets can travel more than six feet. This is why we have curfews at sun down.

Not if you’re wearing a mask! You keep trying to justify your argument by picking out a single issue and saying that one thing alone is ineffective and, thus, the whole thing is nonsense. This is why you do all of them.

If walking around with a UV light over your head makes you feel safer, by all means, do it. Just do the other things in addition.

And not just any mask. Ideally you'd want an N-95, N-99, or even N-100, but obviously those would be in short supply. A 3-ply or 4-ply surgical mask combined with the other procedures would suffice.

You want facts? How about the fact that >600,000 people in the U.S. are infected by the virus right now in the U.S. (presumably your country), which is even more than the country of origin? Staying home protects you from being infected by other people, or if you're infected then staying home stops you from infecting as much people. It's simple f77king logic, people. Why is it so hard to accept and understand?

Infection is not equal to death, in fact they just said death rate is 0.1% and dropping as more get tested.

Think about the many people with compromised immune systems around you. Think about the economic effects of an infected workforce. Think about the possibility of mutated strains of the virus.

Why don't you react this way to the yearly flu?

Coronavirus follows a very different course of infection than the flu. A flu has a short incubation period, and people can usually tell that they are contagious as symptoms start. Coronavirus however has a longer incubation period and people can infect others while still asymptomatic. The flu is a wolf pup, the Coronavirus is a werewolf wearing the clothing of a sheep.

The corona virus is literally a cold, even by the 0.1% statistics.

Oh, bugger off with that false equivalence. A cold doesn't stay asymptomatic for weeks and insidiously infect people during that period.

Asymptomatic periods of infection DO matter, especially if people can still infect others while not showing symptoms, as the lack of symptoms makes carriers much harder to notice, detect, and diagnose, and thus allows these carriers to continue unknowingly spreading the disease without alerting government authorities or the people around them. The Coronavirus stays asymptomatic for weeks while still infecting people, thus spreading without detection and allowing it to infect FAR more people, then causes symptoms. Even if the percentage fatality rate stays the same as the flu for the entirety of the pandemic, the infection rate will inevitably be much greater than the flu, and as such with more people infected there will be more people who die from the infection, thus still making COVID-19 much more of a threat than the flu. That's why a lockdown procedure is being done against COVID-19, because doing so not only prevents people from coming into contact with symptomatic infecteds, but also stops as-of-yet-asymptomatic carriers, who are much harder to detect and consequently diagnose, from spreading the disease across the community.

It doesn't matter if its asymptomatic. It has a flu level death rate.

I hope you’re not really this naive. Ignoring social distancing and quarantines poses just as much risk as ignoring traffic laws. Just because you don’t have symptoms of COVID-19 doesn’t mean you aren’t a carrier. People have it for days or weeks before they start feeling ill. Some people are carriers who never get sick at all or it’s so mild they think it’s just a minor cold. In the meantime, they're spreading the virus wherever they go with whoever they come in contact with. A drunk driver may only get minor injuries from an accident they cause, yet kill someone they plowed into. You’re being just as irresponsible as a drunk driver when you’re “going about you’re every day life” as if the threat doesn’t exist. Do you see the the relevance of the comparison now?

not at all. as i said before, if someone is scared if the virus, let them quarantine themselves. that way, the only people that could potentially get sick are people who choose to take that risk.

That’s like saying “if you’re afraid of getting killed or injured in a traffic accident, don’t drive on the roads. Let the rest of us drive however we want.”

poor comparison. first of all, you're comparing people who are EXITING THEIR OWN HOMES to drunk criminals and car thieves --- BAD people committing ACTUAL crimes. second, as i said before, the government has no authority to lock everyone in their homes. that's because it's not their job. however, keeping criminal scum off the streets IS their job. besides, far more people have died from car accidents than from corona.

First of all the government is NOT locking people into their houses.

Secondly, although drunk driving is a crime, people still do it. They aren’t criminals going out with the intent to kill or mane themselves and/or others. They’re regular people going about their business thinking that what they’re doing isn’t going to harm anyone - just like virus carriers mingling with others and spreading the virus.

Thirdly, on average, there are about 38,000 deaths per year from car crashes in the US. That’s ALL accidents, not just from drunk drivers, over 12 months. As of today 21,942 people have died from COVID-19 in less than four months. So you’ve got your statistics flip flopped. Far more people will die from COVID-19 this year than will die in automobile accidents.

Stay home, save yourself from everything.

Any pandemic situation will tell you that staying home and not infecting other people is something you should do for any pandemic that reaches this scale.

I dunno... Authoritarianism is doing a great job of that already.