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Nope, we're all gonna be dead before then. The TP War will wipe out humanity.

Good one :)

that's essentially what our founding fathers did

Just the Dems? Uh huh....

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There's a GLOBAL pandemic going on. Entire countries are on lockdown. Are you guys still under the gross misconception that the coronavirus is a "liberal hoax"?

Ikr, how can that virus be a hoax? Can't believe people still think that way. Lmfao!

ah yes, because other countries doing it makes it perfectly ok for us to do it too. some countries beat women for not wearing head-to-toe ghost costumes, so i guess we should do that here as well!

You mean 1/10th of what the flu does every year? I'd laugh you out of the room.

I hope you don't get this, I really do.

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https://abc14news.com/2020/04/13/coronavirus-fatality-rate-lower-than-expected-close-to-flus-0-1/
Yours are all very old or from China.

Bruh @loklare, the Coronavirus' basic reproduction number is far larger than that of the flu, meaning that one person with the Coronavirus can infect far more people in one sitting than a person with your average flu. Also, there are many people in the world who are vaccinated against the flu, so that all-important herd immunity is also in play. There is no herd immunity against the Coronavirus.

Sure but infection does not mean death. In fact they just said death rate is 0.1% and dropping as more people get tested.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/#who-03-03-20

Bruh these are literally peer-reviewed research articles about how the Coronavirus is far deadlier than the flu.

Oh and mental illness is not infectious. The Coronavirus is.

Actually they were rushed out and reviewed by people that agree with the conclusions. We now know from actual numbers that the death rate is 0.1% and dropping as we get more testing.

I have yet to see a source for that statement.

https://abc14news.com/2020/04/13/coronavirus-fatality-rate-lower-than-expected-close-to-flus-0-1/

The initial website is... poorly formatted. It leads to an Economist link, which is pretty much the major point of the totally-not-an-ABC-News-imposter-or-ripoff article.

As for the source behind the source, an article posted by The Economist, they themselves admit that their mortality rate could be wrong - "Covid-19 takes 20-25 days to kill victims. The paper reckons that 7m Americans were infected from March 8th to 14th, and official data show 7,000 deaths three weeks later. The resulting fatality rate is 0.1%, similar to that of flu. That is amazingly low, just a tenth of some other estimates. Perhaps it is just wrong, possibly because the death toll has been under-reported."
Furthermore, they literally based the fatality rates off of a section of time concerning the cases happening in the U.S. (March 8 to March 14, despite the existence of cases both long before and a month after that period of time). Plus, never forget that the Coronavirus is still more infectious than the flu, and there's no herd immunity against it versus the partial protection we get from vaccines against the seasonal flu. Lethality rate equations are for AFTER the epidemic ends. The Coronavirus is still going on at the time of this posting.

As such, these early fatality rate calculations will likely be poorly representative of the full lethality of the Coronavirus. Therefore, quite obviously you should never lower your guard over a seemingly-reassuring low-lethality calculation.

Another thing: Most seasonal flus remain as epidemics. The small bunch of flus that reached PANDEMIC stage over history include the 2009–2010 H1N1/09 flu pandemic, the 1968–1969 Hong Kong flu, the 1957–1958 Asian flu, and of course the infamous Spanish Flu that lasted from 1918–1920.

And besides, Mother Nature is a master of surprise. When you are up against situations of this nature, you must always consider the possibility of unforeseeable low-probability events that could drastically increase the damage done by a pandemic. The Spanish Flu was so deadly partly because of World War I, a Black Swan in itself, in which the massive movements of soldiers across the land allowed plenty of opportunities for the virus to spread and mutate.

Oh, and on another note, there's also the fact that during the Spanish Flu the governments covered up cases and spread lies, rendering the population ill-prepared against the pandemic. People have rested on laurels before during these pandemics, and paid the price.

Yes, but it shows 0.1% rate. Saying it didn't include other months dosen't matter, that's like saying it didn't include Mars because the death rate is for the infected. Timeframe doesn't matter.
We know the death rate is over reported so it's actually lower.

Timeframe DOES matter, because path-dependent property. A pandemic works NONLINEARLY, and so the rate of change (and thus absolute number of rate of death) will change over time.

Because of this, we already have to cover our faces if we go out and, so it won't be a huge adjustment.

It's not that the virus is a hoax, it's that it doesn't justify shutting down everything for multiple months. The heath and mental problems created by the lockdown are going to cause more deaths than the virus ever could (unless we go into conspiracy theories about it being more virulent than the current official data indicates) and amongst different demographics. How many cases of type two child diabetes are going to develop and be almost impossible to walk back? I had my mental issues fairly well managed, but I'll be forced to go months without a proper counseling session. Phone appointments are inadequate. As if I can be open on the phone when I know my kids can/will hear everything (the appartment has paper thin walls).
Let's not even get into how many constitutional rights are being violated.
And this meme is talking about July, so we're not talking about short term emergency measures (which can be justified), we're talking about a long term police state, in which taking a walk with your family results in a heavy fine and forever labeling you as a criminal (we can still take walks, at least for now in my city, but it has to be individually. Which means it can't be as a family and that my kids, who are too young to go out by themselves, are screwed for physical activity).
I'm okay with a short term (under 2 month) lock down, and maintaining social distancing recommendations (as opposed to authoritarian mandates) for longer. But the longer we allow the government to withhold our constitutional liberties from us, the less likely it will be that they will ever actually give them back.

I get what you're saying but I do think it's for the greater good. I'm sorry your counseling sessions aren't adequate. Hopefully, you can figure something out - is there a nearby park or something? This is just a particularly nasty virus and I personally don't mind taking some time off from my crazy life to just chill while we wait this thing out if it means peoples' lives will be saved in the process.

agreed

Alright, clearly you've never learned about the basics of historical pandemics. This lockdown is a necessary sacrifice to prevent a self-perpetuating multiplicative source of fragility (the Coronavirus). And besides, there are plenty of exercises you can do at home without special equipment.
Yes, we all hope that the virus will die out by July, but one must not bank on that mentality because Nature is a master of surprise.

Right now, America has 600,000+ people infected, and those numbers are growing. If you just shut down a lockdown procedure while a highly-infectious viral pandemic is still running wild, I assure you that you the People of the United States will perish from this earth. So for the people, by the people, with the people, a lockdown is necessary to slow down/stop the spread of the virus until a cure/vaccine can be made, with the latter distributed across the population and held long enough for herd immunity to take place.

“I had my mental issues fairly well managed, but I'll be forced to go months without a proper counseling session. Phone appointments are inadequate.”

Thanks for sharing your condition, I explains a lot. You should try playing music or white noise in the room where your kids are to cover your conversations while you talk in another room.

"Who has ever been convicted of a crime for going on walk with their family?"
It has happened already during this pandemic. What's worse is the conviction is unilateral (no trial). If (and let's face it, the longer this goes on, the less likely that will be) things ever get "back to normal" perhaps they can get the record removed as being unlawful, but that will still cost them huge, to get a lawyer that will fight it. So you have the initial cost of $1000 for the fine, and then the ridiculous court costs.

Wow! Is there a source for this? I never heard of such a thing happening, not in the US anyway.

I did see a video of Philly cops dragging a guy off the bus who wasn't wearing a mask. They didn't even say anything because what could they say really? It was unprecedented behavior.

I’m wondering if there’s more to the story than he just wasn’t wearing a mask.

See for yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pu-qjfbkyU

Wow, that’s nuts.