Surrender your social security if you hate socialism

If you are ok with corporate welfare let me know and I will start a company you can send your money too. Oh wait the government already does this!

Ok, figure out what your actual issue is. I am talking about corporate welfare and you say I am an indoctrinated idiot but don’t have an issue with pointing out corporate welfare is wrong. The people deserve social security because they paid into it. Corporations take our taxes and deserve none of it because we are capitalists. The thing is I do understand how our government works. If you think we need corporate welfare to create jobs then the fool in the room is you. Human nature of CEOs and Board of Directors is one of greed and waste. I know who is indoctrinated because you do not defend your argument, you just say it’s wrong because you disagree. SMDH

I think big tobacco would have come pretty close. Although some are still dropping off.

Oh really? So all the brainwashing, and that's a lot - not just advertising but subliminal messaging and paying big celebrities and big movie stars to get in the heads of kids for the next generation of smokers is a matter of choice is it. When people believe that it is a matter of convenience and that is all.

I asked you not to call me a male derogative. This is just a test Post I can't post my fu-ckin longer one...

So they say. But then would the law of any free country hold an 11 year old responsible for that choice?

Firstly, don't call me Justin. You know it is inappropriate and just so clearly defines your character and lack of education.

Secondly, don't call me kid we are the same age and I have already proven Time After Time After Time in our charming debates that I am THE superior ◇Knowledge-Goddess◇👸. You are weak slave but in time I may consider releasing you to a more lenient master.

And next, I will be discussing how, holdup just a WTF moment, when did this become about my personal attitude to responsibility?! Canadian Carp"man," you are talking to a formerly naive decade plus professional self blamer. I would be willing to venture out a bet even though I despise gambling [I] 1000 % understand where responsibility lay better and harder than your stereotypical and very typical "standards" And very much where it $$$SHOULD NOT$$$ lay.

Our debate was about the millions killed by BIG TOBACCO and we didn't cover the world governments' willingness to support the single largest cause of preventable death internationally.

Please see part II

Part II:

Then it went to the influence these groups have had on people taking up the habit. You chose "every person is responsible for their choices." I ventured a more honest path and acknowledged it's clearly not that simple as much as people want to believe it that cosy way.

Some people have better access to better choices than others and more sophisticated education to discern a good choice. So many things in fact can affect choice.

There are all sorts of people doing ridiculous things they shouldn't do they wouldn't do if they had a discrete choice. It's another of many inconvenient truths. A debate we are not allowed to have.

By the way I see you are very lenient on these abhorrent tobacco companies selling death for big profit what's with that? Have you got shares in big tobacco?? Maybe you own a tobacco shop?? How much for a packet of cigs in Canada, eh..

Yes of course, you are sloppy and didn't proofread your s***. I admit you do that rarely.

The rest of your post sort of read to me like: blah blah blah everyone's to blame for everything they do. Leftist, avoiding responsibility. No tobacco company is responsible blah blah blah.

A lot of those men of the generations before the surgeon general considered smoking to be a problem were expected to smoke. You were "not a man" if you didn't, although I'm sure there were a percentage of lucky men made the break and didn't smoke.

It was just normal to smoke everyone did and the burning in the lungs, not so much. It's hard when a person first starts to keep the smoke down but it only takes a bit of practice and the nicotine addiction keeps them coming back.

You rightists are always playing the high and mighty piece. Who is trying to avoid responsibility here, I am just engaging in a genuine concern for the truth.

Maybe I don't want to shush. Did you ever think about that. No that's right cos you only consider what timber wants, well, I'm here to tell you carpboy that some people don't always shut up when they're condescended to.

Is the shh and tl;dr your technique for when the argument is completely crushing and you have nothing in return

Mr and Mrs TV? Other kids at school? No reasonable Court would hold the parents responsible unless they specifically taught their kid to smoke or there was compelling negligence.

I've got to toodles off now I was hoping you would bite with the rightist comment. Actually, I'm not sure I really understand the left and right thing very well. Only just had a bit of a look into it recently there's reasons it avoided my attention for me. Of course I am more naturally left or so people say.

I don't like the way any type of group that stands up for what they believe in when it comes to serious issues get dumped on and ad hominem running down has happened to often by our species.

Let me ask you this: was Hitler left or right? Think carefully before you answer. Oh, I think we may have done this one before. Now I've blown it isn't there some law in meming. Is it Murphy's Law? Sandra's?

I don't fu-cken care about punctuation it doesn't bother me if I leave punctuation out or if I use a semicolon in the right place or a colon or if I use exclamation point question marks possessive apostrophes or contraction apostrophes it's all the same to me sometimes I don't even use a period at the end of my sentences

Oh, of course I actually missed your point there. Of course you meant the parents should handle it. But that is not what I meant, I meant it as a study in responsibility.

Why are you pretending that you didn't read my posts? Intimidated, no come back hey .You write way longer posts and I always pretend to read them.

tl;dr

No I was pretending to sound obsessed it is just a phase I am going through tonight just about to get back to a movie

Yeah it's a really interesting movie about fraud being exposed there was this guy a Canadian pretending to be American but the Twist was he wasn't actually a man he was a rather average fish a Canadian carp

It was a really regrettable movie he had some severe bigotry
for a real man's dinner

No you didn't. Now I'm definitely not going away. Or I might go come back later stalk you - do the usual expose' on your appalling lack of social skills and pretend expertise. It's a bit boring but as American Grandmaster and world champion Bobby Fischer once jibed "I love watching them squirm."

It is me you are talking to Vaga? I saw the thread I didn't say anything to Kylie, I like him. I said something to the guy that seems to be suicidal. Why did you bring this to me?

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The latest trend with the memeing Emo set here is suicide.
Sadly, being a tad lithe in build due to an innordinate amount of hours doing nothing but hiding in their rooms from life, they seem to keep missing their wrists when slitting it.

It ain't easy being a stupid crybaby pre-teen these days,

Pardon me "too" often. Don't even go there Mr grammar

Seeing you are such a grammar Nazi I will point out that you wrote hole there instead of hold. So clearly you didn't read what you wrote.

No reasonable Court could hold a parent responsible for, by way of example, a child learning to smoke at a well-to-do school. Or even a normal one I wouldn't think. Maybe the school then? Where should it end?

It is big n rich tobacco and no one else.

I suppose people of the early to mid 20th century had a good choice about smoking. They didn't even understand it was wrong. But it still killed them exactly the same way.

Oh, sorry and big 'n' rich. I deliberately left out the contraction apostrophes I thought it looked cooler.

Timber ... you u have fallen in the forest and can’t get up. Corporations own Washington you ignoramus. Seriously, which PAC do you work for? Let’s just agree we are saying the same thing and just using different words because you have no idea who is running the government hahaha you actually believe it isn’t controlled by others. Super dumb but regardless of how it runs it doesn’t deserve my money because they give to the rich and steal from hard working Americans. Btw don’t assume education, reasons level or intelligence. You are going to lose... Son

Unless you're a loser who doesn't pay in as much as you receive......then it's free stuff.

And in many cases it's paying for services you'll never use, services that are terribly handled and services that may actually create more problems than they solve...

Also a bigger government that can regulate aspects of your life, spend money on things you don't agree with, and six figure incomes and five figure retirement plans for the people who run said services

Losers like large corporations and banks steal our taxes at a rate 5x that of social welfare. Corporate welfare is the largest bit of socialism in the USA. Don’t let the politicians distract you by pointing at social welfare. That’s got you guarding the change in your pocket while they steal your paycheck out of your wallet.

Who gives the politicians money? Connecting the dots yet? When someone steals billions of our tax dollars, they are criminals. I can agree that corporations and government do this. So both deserve deserve my disgust and disparaging remarks. The ignorance I am pointing out is that corporations do it for more money than social programs do. I don’t like a free loader and I am trying to point out that people are ignoring the biggest abuses by corporations and governments based on media pushing info on welfare queens to distract us from the bigger welfare corporations. You can’t bitch about socialism when you don’t address this! In a perfect world the elderly and disabled would be the only ones getting it while every able bodied person got nothing and corporations got zero and survived in a true capitalistic economy. The ignorance that doesn’t acknowledge that corporate welfare is a bigger ticket item that gets a free pass is ridiculous.

Yeah books are tough for you I bet..... I will not change your mind, I will peruse your propaganda though. Just for fun have a great day fun discussion but time to be productive.

Another idiot that likes sending our tax money to corporations and not supporting social security when people have paid in their whole life. Thanks for proving you are ignorant .... sheesh

Nope... someone who thinks (correctly) that SS has been screwed up by both sides (but mostly libs) and needs to be corrected to fulfill the promises to those who've paid in and privatized for the future generations... Not kept as a vote buying scheme by the liberals.

As for "sending our tax money to corporations" you have no idea what you're talking about, so thanks for trying (and failing).

Who do you think is funding corporate welfare? It’s tax money from citizens like you and me. At least we agree that libtards and conservatatards are both guilty of it. No one should buy votes with our tax money. No one should be funding corporate welfare with our tax money. I am all for privatization of social security. I wouldn’t mind retiring at fifty because I control my own money and not Washington. In reality though, I am slightly above target to retire at fifty and wish others would see what’s going on because it is theft when we are taxed and it goes to corporations. To many people are looking at social welfare stealing from us when corporations steal much much more with impunity. They distract us from who the biggest thief is and people focus on the small problem while ignoring the big problem.

Tax breaks are fine. Bailouts are not. Obama bailed out way too many. Tax breaks aren’t money from us at all. Just not money TO us.

Liberal policies on taxpayers have hurt our economy. Conservative policies improve it as we’ve seen the last three years.

Any corporate welfare from any party is theft of Americans tax dollars. If social welfare pisses you off and corporate welfare does not, then you support welfare and simply just hate the poor.

As I said welfare no. Tax break yes.

Tax breaks are just a way to hide the words corporate welfare. Capitalism means no corporate welfare. If they need to be be subsidized aka receive a tax break (corporate welfare), to keep the corporation financially viable, then they shouldn’t be running a business. If a company needs money to expand then make good profits, be responsible with your spending, sell stock or get investors or get a bank loan! Do not steal money out of my pocket for your business that is already failing or doesn’t need it. I deserve the right to spend my own money, make my own investments, I mean come on when has Washington ever been a successful business model? Debt up to their chins and they are going to spend my money and yours responsibly? I don’t think so. Good economies come from consumers willingness to spend and invest on their own, not Washington.

Corporations are taxed differently than other business structures: A corporation is the only type of business that must pay its own income taxes on profits. In contrast, partnerships, sole proprietorships, S corporations, and limited liability companies (LLCs) are not taxed on business profits; instead, the profits "pass through" the businesses to their owners, who report business income or losses on their personal tax returns.

Understanding Corporate Taxation

Because a corporation is a separate legal entity from its owners, the company itself is taxed on all profits that it cannot deduct as business expenses. Generally, taxable profits consist of money kept in the company to cover expenses or expansion (called "retained earnings") and profits that are distributed to the owners (shareholders) as dividends. Took two seconds to google that explanation. Please support your posts with facts not rhetoric blathering.

Wrong. Encouraging jobs helps everyone

False! It’s a black bear😂 OK seriously any hiring I did, which was a lot, was from being a profitable business, not a subsidized one. Walmart and Target take tons of tax money in subsidies and employ people part time so they don’t get benefits and pay them less then a living wage so they end up taking welfare while they bank huge profits. Theft on both ends from these wonderful corporations. SMDH