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Boom! | Nuanced analysis of the significance, risks, and potential fallout of the Soleimani assassination; “Boom!” | image tagged in followers,boom,patriotic eagle,trump,iran,wwiii | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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This meme is a reaction to the death of that Iranian general, right? Mixed feelings. The stuff the news tells me about him is not really, how to say it nicely... "well", but regardless if those accusations are true or not, I think Iran has the right to consider it an act of war committed by the USA against Iran, as far as the information reached my ears. Now I heard somebody who was briefed about the attack (afterward) state that there was no ground, and the only explanation she could bring up was distracting from the impeachment procedure (why do that when Trump was very likely get through that impeachment procedure "unharmed", as the senate was very likely not willing to him go? Not so sure about his case, maybe?)... Would not be very good to do. It's not that general's fault Trump is now facing an impeachment or is there stuff I don't know about? Now some people are already worried about the start of the third world war (the first world war also began with one murder), but I don't think it's that far yet (although it might be one step closer), so I really wonder what the consequences will be. Now that the kill is "fresh" the Iranians can also be guided by emotion (sadness or anger), but when time goes on, how will things go then?

Of course, Trump groupies will only build a party now as a "victory" on those "evil" Iranians, but if Iran can really deliver on their threats that came as a reply to all this, I wonder how they will respond then... Even if Iran is no much for the U.S. casualties will fall if this action results in war... We'll see...
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Only fools would strongly believe that World War will start from this. I'm sure you yourself dont agree and are aware of the many interlinked defence treaties that were involved in invoking all the parties to World War after the Ferdinand murder/ assassination and how those such treaties are not in place today in general or in this case.

Also as you point out it doesn't make any sense that the Assassination is a diversion from Impeachment given the unlikely successful outcome for that endeavour.

So the question is, Who stands to gain from this?
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First of all, it DOES make sense... Actually analysts did see a pattern in presidents attacking the Middle East and the upcoming re-election in genera, as Trump is not the first who did an attack on the Middle East which such impeccable timing, and with even an impeachment involved... Yeah, only somebody who willingly wants to look away and be blind for how Trump works, would say that it doesn't make sense! And only fools rule out the possibility that World War III can come from, or from anything for that matter, as that would show that World War I and II didn't teach them anything, and that would include you... Both WWII lead to people utter the same words prior to their beginning you do now, and history taught us how much those words were worth... And speaking of treaties... Hitler had treaties... He just didn't care for them and only saw them for useless piece of paper. I do however not strongly believe this will lead to WWIII, but that Iran takes this for an Act of War committed by the U.S.A. that much is clear, and they could even see this as an open declaration of war. The question I heard experts about that the Iranian government is facing is how the people of Iran will support their government in this matter. Iran is a dictatorship after all and that makes it impossible to hold completely polls in complete independence, and it the people are turning against their government then Iran can forget about their retribution actions.

But even experts say that all scenarios are open now in which WWIII is not the most likely, but not entirely unthinkable worst case scenario, and I said "worried" not strongly believe, those are words you put in, and if you read my post well, you would know that you are saying things based on a comment not properly read.Many wars (if not all of them) began with a "mistake" (either a real mistake or one of the parties lured the enemy into, as you don't wanna be the agressor, do you). When Trump canceled the nuclear deal experts were certain that alone would not cause WWIII. Now I hear them not deeming it likely, but none of them dares to rule it out.

And who stands gain from this? The answer is the same as with all acts of war. The one who commits it thinks he does, but in the end, nobody truly did, and the question arises if there will be a steep price to pay, and if so... Who's gonna pay it?
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All that hyperbole and you still dont really explain who stands to gain. You tell me nothing I'm not already aware of. No analyst's required to define the ploy of starting wars to divert attentions although this situation is much earlier than other recent examples.
If ww3 started the other day then I doubt that and wouldn't push it like a warmongerer, I note you don't see it as strongly likely,.
Parallels to ww1 are not their, the archduke was equivalent to USA being attacked by Iran and the many mutual defense agreements do not exist here on paper or with Iran's perceived alliances.
Hitler took advantage of the gullible and there belief he would honor treaties. These people were hangovers diplomatically from an earlier time who believed that the treaties Hitler signed ensured there would be peace. None of these past precursors equates to this present situation.

If you think the democrats have a candidate for 2020 and if you think any chance of impeachment succeeding is possible then I guess this colors your own analysis/viewpoint. But I doubt either things are against him. So I am still unclear how or who really stands to gain. Only the military contractors are advantage as far as I can see but that still only works if they succeed in starting war proper.

Thanks for trying.
Hopefully we see some positive directions appear over the next time period.
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"All that hyperbole and you still dont really explain who stands to gain."
If you had a clear view on the situation you'd know why that is... There is no-one who'll gain anything from this, and you trying to force me to answer that question (which I already did answer, I am just repeating myself) shows how foolish you are for accusing me of a "nice try"... And yes all the parralels to earlier world wars are there... As a matter of fact, there are parallels between all wars humanity ever fought before and may even fight in the future, so that fact that you say that there (and not "their") shows that you know nothing at all or that you want to turn a blind eye.

And did I state that they had a chance of impeachment? I already know that the republican senators value their own electoral interest over the the interest of the U.S.A. and also that that will be deciding factor in that impeachment.

Now I wasn't trying anything. You are. You are a Trump groupie after all, blinded to the truth, and I could give you all the evidence that you are wrong, but if Trump will ever state a circle has corners, so will you!

Like I said, you uttered in your previous post the same words that people uttered prior to WWI and WWII, that is already a parallel on itself. And the tip of the iceberg... And up until now many presidents before Trump have attacked the Middle East around the time new elections where coming... And Clinton was even facing an impeachment when he did... A president showing leadership in a war, is one who can count on the support of his people after all... Well basically any leader will... For that reason Pharaoh Ramses II spread many fake-stories of wars in which he would have been victorious, and the people (who had no way to check/verify those facts) loved him for it. Not to compare Trump to the pharaohs. The point is that war has always been the way in which a leader can "prove himself", and especially in a democracy a leader who has "proven himself" to handle a military crisis and to emerge as a victor, can count on the votes. Oldest trick in the box, so yeah, ruling out the chance that the election and the impeachment have something to do with it (given the entire history of humanity) would be pretty foolish, as well ruling out or guaranteeing the coming of WWIII because of this.

"Thanks for trying" -- Nice try from your side!
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Whatever man, not intended as any kind of nice try. You obviously would have preferred something like thanks for trying to explain. However, nice try at assuming I also think a certain way. I'm only saying it's an incomplete picture which we agree. And in the end he doesn't need to do this for the purposes of securing a re-election or maybe he does.
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I didn't 'assume' anything... You actually put my words into my mouth, so when I'm wrong you did not get your point pretty well... (And you must also forgive me that I can also in the case of multiple interpretations possible I aim always for the worst... You know with trolls, so if I really misunderstood...)
And what people need to do and what people do, are by the way two different things (unfortunately). We can wonder how many wars humans fought over the full course of time were "needed" in the first place....

And if the impeachment or re-election is reason behind all this or not, and if WWIII is coming or not, something is on the move now, and it's very likely that if it's anything bad, the general consensus will likely be that Trump will get all the blame... But of course, this is crystal ball work...
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No worries I was not trying to be aggressive or agitating with what I was asking. And me saying thanks is because you took time to think and respond. All is forgiven all is fine. I dont really troll anyone. But I understand why you might feel I was being a Dick. If only because there are so many who try troll. I already spend too much time on here just putting up memes and reading to alot any more time to trolling which doesn't add anything for me.
Lets hope nothing too dire comes from this.
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Alright... Let's shake hands then... It's a bit of a combination... It's hard to put in the right intonations in text only and the fact that the internet is overcrowded with trolls, it can indeed lead to misunderstanding... And I must admit I am also too quick to go into the defense... Long story, not important now... Doesn't matter anymore who's to blame, does it?

And I must also add that I live in Europe (Netherlands to be exact). If this really escalates (which nobody knows for sure yet), I'll be between the U.S. and Iran, and that's not a really nice thought, given that I was raised between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., and although I was never hurt during that time, I do remember the fear people had back then, not to mention that I remember the big tanks around my town during the war between the U.S. (under Bush sr.) and Iraq as Saddam threatened the word with terrorist attacks as reply to an invasion. I do not like to see that time come back, and even if no actual fighting will break out you gotta admit the political situation is a bit... shall we say... fragile... WWIII or a new Cold War... neither is in my interest, so yeah, I'm worried... Especially with an unpredictable president in the White House nobody can tell what will happen next (and even with a more predictable president this is hard to tell at the current situation. Nobody knows for sure what Iran will do after all). I am careful when it comes to predicting WWIII. But ruling it out.... No I won't do that either...

If this really escalates maybe one good thing can come from it. The EU never worked the way it had to because since the fall of the Berlin wall, the EU has never been in agreement about big important topics, as all countries would rather die than to agree with another (it's really a mess, trust me. Even I as pro-EU man cannot explain how Von Der Leyen could be "president" of the EU now (we call her that but officially the EU has no president), after the campaign went between Timmermans and Weber and Von Der Leyen never even mentioned before she got the job). If this really escalates the EU can be forced to finally make the steps for itself that are years overdue.... If the threat of a possible WWIII or a new Cold War is what it takes it makes me shake my head, though....

But in Dutch we have a proverb you know: De soep wordt niet zo heet gegeten als ze wordt opgedient. Lit. The soup is not eaten as hot as it's being served. Let's hope it's right ;)
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easy answer, why dont you listen to your guru?
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No upvotes at all for this? Really? imgflip.com/i/3l3hw1
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hmmmmm, do you think you not upvoting any comments has paid off?
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I upvote comments when I agree with them, and when I remember to.

And when you beg, so: here you go again!
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There's that patented pass/aggr deflection that is so you.

But since you seem to be mentally impaired as always, here's a quote from right above to remind your asine self how you're begging for points:

"KylieFan_89

No upvotes at all for this? Really? imgflip.com/i/3l3hw1"
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My first comment, along with the OP meme, is a commentary on what Iran-related content gets upvotes around here.

Conservatives are waving the flag around begging for Trump to start World War III, and as usual in your mind, my own conduct is at issue.
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Don't do that, don't tell me what's on my mind.
You don't even know what's on your mind, so save the stupidity damage control for where it's needed - yourself.
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I don’t have to read your mind, I can just read your words
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What words?
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All of them and the fact that none of them are on topic

Examples of on-topic responses can be found in this very comment section!
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Wha?
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Here’s another upvote, given not because I agree with you at all, but in the hopes this meaningless act of etiquette will help get you off my case and oriented toward issues that matter.
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Since you seem to be afflicted with a heavy dose of senility atm, here's a reminder of what you posted above begging for points.

Note the name which is yours.
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I know what I typed and I explained it above.
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NOW you know?

Hey, is this like when you knew how the stalker tranny from hell with a mere 3 accounts this week alone was getting treated unkindly by me for rejecting the psycho's pledges of love?
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From my standpoint, it just looked like you both were insulting each other. I tried to just talk respectfully with her and I had success. I don’t think I ever defended what she was saying to you, however.

You’ve presented your side of that story. As long as you two aren’t threatening to kill each other, I don’t really want to get sucked into whatever drama is going on there.

I feel out of my depth and that’s a job for the mods.
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YOU litigated what?
All you did is do your gallant SJW dance without knowing the context and dynamic, much like you keep butting your nose into crap you don't understand round here.
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Naah, pal, seems like you shoved your nose way up that stinker and then some.

You need to go back and look at your comments, because you are truly pouring the stupid sauce heavy today.
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