The world is in great shape when you have to fake a crisis

"over population myth"

uh oh, the feelings are high here. anything can be fake if i call it a myth.

hence ethiopia and india, does it look like the whole earth can sustain enough resources to feed seven billion people? ignorance is bliss

I have been all over this planet saw plenty of hungry children, always because the food was controlled by men with guns, not a lack of resources. We have the tech to farm every mountain and desert just not the leadership. Stop making the problem bigger and focus on the real issue, greedy self serving political hacks. The world can sustain another seven billion, sorry you feel ignorant but drinking kool-aid will do that to you.

"We have the tech to farm every mountain and desert just not the leadership."

farm every mountain and desert? two particular areas of land known for poor farm development? what tech specifically are you talking about?

"Stop making the problem bigger and focus on the real issue, greedy self serving political hacks. "

tried that. the dnc rigged the election, and donald trump is no real threat to the rich.

"The world can sustain another seven billion..."

no, the world can't sustain another seven billion. 14 billion people on one planet, even on paper, sounds like a bad idea. quite glad that birth rates will decrease within the next decade.

"sorry you feel ignorant but drinking kool-aid will do that to you."

the salt, lmao. hey guys, if i call this person a kool-aid drinker, i'm the better person. already tried the bandwagon fallacy by calling the doomsayer "thanos".

The same people that warned us about a new ice age, declining top soil (my favorite) a circle of volcano's, bird flu, swine flu and at last count 70+ other potential world ending events now is warning us that the planet is full. The truth is they lie. Every one currently on earth will fit in the state of Texas and still be ten feet short of holding hands. The planet is not nearly as full as the people wanting to save it. Enjoy the holiday, the world will be fine.

"The same people that warned us... ... other potential world ending events now is warning us that the planet is full."

if i associate something with people who got it wrong before, i can make it false. the planet being over-capacitated has been something for a while now, but no one paid attention to it in favor if producing more military soldiers.

"Every one currently on earth will fit in the state of Texas and still be ten feet short of holding hands. "

if you stack people on top of each other, sure.

Again with the kool-aid, your argument is a variation of a broke clock is right twice a day. Liars with agendas do not change, there is no global population problem. Until I see trucks with the bodies of the starved that will remain true. There is no where on planet earth with people starving, hungry yes, but you already know why. As far as Texas, math is hard for you but even at 13 million people per square mile, Texas can handle the load, It is nice there you should go.

aight, prove it's not a problem. it's not the largest of problems, sure.

https://mahb.stanford.edu/blog/yes-overpopulation-problem/

it's not just food, but shelter as well.

Show me the bodies of the dead that died from lack of food, shelter or lack of vaccinations, then we can discuss experts paid to push political agendas.

you haven't even provided a hyperlink to prove your case, mate

Read the thread there are no bodies, over population is a myth. You believe because it makes you feel special, special people ride the short bus.

"Read the thread there are no bodies, over population is a myth."

...because i say so.

"You believe because it makes you feel special, special people ride the short bus."

aight, alpha. i guess you know everything about me and my beliefs are now completely changed because someone thinks the short bus is an argument against overpopulation

You designed and built the planet?

HOLY F**KING SHIT!!!

So, please tell us lesser creatures precisely how many people the planet can support. It should be child's play for you, since you created it. So how many? Please be precise.

BETTER QUESTION :

Why aren't you f**king offing YOURSELF if there are too many people to support?

It's f**king hilarious the assholes that want to tell us what to do NEVER, EVER F**KING VOLUNTEER to live the conditions they want to set for the rest of us. So if you won't voluntarily f**king blow your shit-for-brains all over a wall somewhere, then you can't be taken seriously. If you won't commit suicide, you are just another goose-stepping harpy that needs to be lined up against a wall and shot just for the general principle of freedom.

there's a lot of tough guy coming from this "argument".

"You designed and built the planet?

HOLY F**KING SHIT!!!"

eyyy resorting to the most obvious sarcastic response and thinking it's an own

"Why aren't you f**king offing YOURSELF if there are too many people to support?"

because that's not the answer. the best answer is to stop breeding. i'm not breeding, so, every little helps?

"It's f**king hilarious the assholes that want to tell us what to do NEVER, EVER F**KING VOLUNTEER to live the conditions they want to set for the rest of us. So if you won't voluntarily f**king blow your shit-for-brains all over a wall somewhere, then you can't be taken seriously."

yes, talking of being taken seriously, how you earn it?

"If you won't commit suicide, you are just another goose-stepping harpy that needs to be lined up against a wall and shot just for the general principle of freedom."

holy shit, wishing death on someone as a conclusion to an argument, let alone on christmas day of all times. god rest you merry, mate.

Hey, incredibly stupid asswipe - let me 'splain it to you :

YOU ARE CONSUMING RESOURCES RIGHT ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE THE "PLANET CAN'T SUPPORT"

YOU are just as much a part of the problem that everyone else is, dumbass. If you don't commit suicide then you are a total f**king hypocrite, ya goose-stepping harpy. If you can't understand this extremely simple concept, then you should off yourself and increase the average IQ for the rest of humanity.

"Hey, incredibly stupid asswipe - let me 'splain it to you :"

woah look out we got ourselves an alpha here

"YOU ARE CONSUMING RESOURCES RIGHT ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE THE "PLANET CAN'T SUPPORT""

technically, i'm not consuming the same amount of resources as a building contractor or farmer.

"If you don't commit suicide then you are a total f**king hypocrite, ya goose-stepping harpy."

still trying to own with that logic, eh? i already told the answer

"If you can't understand this extremely simple concept, then you should off yourself and increase the average IQ for the rest of humanity."

hey guys, i'm more intelligent than this stranger (and this comment really shows it) so they should kill themselves

One more time, asswipe :

YOU ARE CONSUMING RESOURCES RIGHT ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE THE "PLANET CAN'T SUPPORT"

YOU are part of the problem YOU claim exists. Yet, you refuse to admit that simple fact. But since you want to play semantics in some insane need to craft a delusion, two can play that game :

YOU USE FAR MORE RESOURCES THAN SOMEONE IN AFRICA LIVING A SUBSISTENCE LIFESTYLE.

Not one bit of shit-spewing you can do will change that fact.

YOU are the problem. YOU are a goose-stepping harpy. YOU need to remove yourself from the planet if it can't support the number of people on it RIGHT NOW.

That you will not do what you want others to do proves you are a fascist that needs lined up against a wall and shot in the name of freedom for ALL mankind.

"One more time, asswipe :"

traditional, of course

"That you will not do what you want others to do proves you are a fascist that needs lined up against a wall and shot in the name of freedom for ALL mankind."

because i won't kill myself, i'm a fascist and should be shot? that's rather catch 22. i never advocated for international suicides. i'm more for stopping over-breeding for a short period of time, yet you can't seem to catch that and are more interested in being a friggin alpha who owns libtards (which i am not one).

"YOU USE FAR MORE RESOURCES THAN SOMEONE IN AFRICA LIVING A SUBSISTENCE LIFESTYLE."

you used way more caps locked words in this "debate" than i have because you can't regain an upper hand lmao.

the dude called me a friggin fascist.

You are a f**king fascist.

You want other people to stop doing what YOU are doing, which is enjoying a normal life. You NEVER stated how you know there are too many people on Earth, and when you are called out on it you instantly turned into a whiny little bitch, just like a fascist.

Yes, everyone like you, insane like you, that wants to control someone else but doesn't want to walk-the-walk themselves should be lined up and shot so the rest of us can enjoy freedom.

You don't like it? Tough shit. Stop being a f**king fascist.

"So you want to speak, but never be called out on it?

F**KING.

FASCIST."

typical conservative, calling something they don't like fascism.

"There is NO right to be heard, jackass. You speak, and I find you to be a f**king fascist I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY SO. THAT is free speech, you goose-stepping fascist."

someone here salty af.

"How do YOU know how many people the planet can support or not support? I didn't ask for what other people thought, you go***mned idiot. I asked YOU. If you don't have the number, then the course of action is simple : SHUT. THE. F**K. UP. The reality is you don't have a f**king clue, but that doesn't stop you from wanting OTHER PEOPLE to stop using up YOUR resources."

wish the answer was as simple as that. the planet could support 2 billion people, but the us government wasn't pleased with that amount. then you were born.

"Which gets us back to YOUR fascism. It's so simple a kindergartner can understand it. You need to be put down like a rabid animal along with everyone else who would deny another human freedom, but want to live free themselves."

eyyy supporter of free speech wants me put down for having an opinion. kindergartners don't understand what fascism is lmao. show me where i want to deny others' freedom.

"Stop being a f**king fascist."

i've never seen someone so anti-first amendment. damn.

"You don't like it?"

funnily enough, no one likes being lined up and shot.

"Yes, everyone like you, insane like you, that wants to control someone else but doesn't want to walk-the-walk themselves should be lined up and shot so the rest of us can enjoy freedom."

"insane" is defined by people trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results, and you shouting "fascist" is definitely insane. talking of which, i'm surprised someone advocate for lining people with a certain idea up to be shot is also the voice of command on who is a fascist or not.

"You NEVER stated how you know there are too many people on Earth...."

i did post a hyperlink in the conversation with burntfingerforge. check that out if you must know.

"You want other people to stop doing what YOU are doing, which is enjoying a normal life."

what am i doing that's similar to people your age?

"and when you are called out on it you instantly turned into a whiny little b**ch, just like a fascist"

damn, you're one to talk.

So you want to speak, but never be called out on it?

F**KING.

FASCIST.

There is NO right to be heard, jackass. You speak, and I find you to be a f**king fascist I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY SO. THAT is free speech, you goose-stepping fascist.

Also, since you are too f**king stupid to understand, let's go over it one more time :

How do YOU know how many people the planet can support or not support? I didn't ask for what other people thought, you go***mned idiot. I asked YOU. If you don't have the number, then the course of action is simple : SHUT. THE. F**K. UP. The reality is you don't have a f**king clue, but that doesn't stop you from wanting OTHER PEOPLE to stop using up YOUR resources.

Which gets us back to YOUR fascism. It's so simple a kindergartner can understand it. You need to be put down like a rabid animal along with everyone else who would deny another human freedom, but want to live free themselves.

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This thread went south quickly but I stick by the original point, the number of people in an area is limited by resources. Large cities can't live on their own resources, outside areas (and other people) have to work to sustain them. Real leadership can plan for growth and make the process work smoothly, bad leadership is a city killer. The myth of numbers works for both large populated areas and the globe itself. The cry of we are over populated is a myth, the lack of planning caused the real issue and better planning could solve it. Which leads to an even bigger issue, people will resist working for a better life for people they will never meet, especially people a half a planet away. That is also why socialism fails, no one cares about equality when it means lowering their own standard of living.

I didn't rattle my zipper, so why did you open your mouth?

It's almost like you are a hypocritical, attention-seeking w**re.

You've not understood. Overpopulation is measured against how much a land could sustain. If you have a dry desert, one person and their goat comes along and suddenly the whole area is overpopulated; build a city next to Lake Michigan surrounded by corn farms as far as the eye can see and with some technology behind you there could be no end to the number of people you can sustain.

How long it's been since you last saw a human being has got nothing to do with it.

I somewhat agree, actually. Over population is not a myth but it is indeed not the primary problem. It is not greenhouses gases or overbreeding. This is not the real issue. It is a problem because our resources are limited, our maturity as a species is limited, our education is severely fractured between science, religion, and corporate agendas.

Right now, the Earth cannot sustain the seven billion. Not with the way we handle our politics, how we treat different cultures, and how little compassion we show for each other and the land we live off of. Freedom has consequences and I don't just mean a soldier's sacrifice. That means polluting our planet with garbage, plastic, and other unnecessary resources without refining our abilities to fix the actual problems that make the world so uninhabitable in the first place.

Inconsistent education
Expensive healthcare
Poor nutrition
Wasteful consumption
General apathy

You are hitting all over the main theme, resources both renewable and not are bigger than the current global leaderships ability to manage. In the end, the numbers will never matter as much as a lack of leadership. Consider this, the call for lowering population levels can only really be done through genocide, the birth rate would easily match efforts to depopulate using natural methods, to many issues with culture, religion etc. Genocide is not an answer, if we killed off every Muslim and ever Chinese (examples) we would drop 3 billion globally. Sounds great, almost half, but it fixes nothing. Now we have large land masses with no one left to manage them and the people in other areas are still suffering from a lack of resources. It all leads back to a single answer, the world needs real leaders making a real effort to help people they will never meet. Over population is a myth, the number of people doesn't matter if you have the vision to grow resources, add new ones, move them to where they are needed and not break the bank doing it all.

To be clear, there is nothing great about genocide. I only agree in the capacity that Earth cannot sustain seven billion people not because of lack of resources or landmass but the lack of maturity.

All humanity's attempts to control the population will fail. It may fail over decades, centuries; but ultimately it will fail. The only thing that will successfully contain the population is disease and natural disasters. Wars do NOT contain the population. If anything, they seem to increase it. Billions die in a war, but even more billions are born after. Why? Because of humanity's instinct to survive and when humans feel their lives are in danger, they usually will copulate.

Over population is not a myth, however. It is subjective. No other living mammal of our size on Earth comes close to the population we have today. That can be discerning. The only mammal that may rival our population size are rats. Insects, though, ridiculously outnumber us. Ten trillion to one.

I'm not saying you're wrong that if we lack "vision", or what I call maturity, to grow our resources, we could sustain seven billion. Possibly seven trillion. But we don't and we are at the highest point our population has ever reached in the history of the human species. There is no precedent for this level of resources to human sustainability. We are overcrowded, too unintelligent, too radicalized, and too violent to have that kind of maturity to sustain this level of population at this time. The fact that we have leaders who consider genocide as an acceptable alternative to advancing renewable energy validates my argument.

I understood you, we are making the same main points. I think terminology differs some as does the cause and effect. I used the term myth because I do not feel we have reached crisis levels yet. I strongly feel there are groups that want us to believe it for their own agendas. When I see bodies pile up because of a lack of water or food I will change my mind. Currently, people can still leave areas that can not contain them. Granted that will cause more conflicts but that is a part of the human struggle, we have never really had a period of peace, just small short breaks in different areas.

I think we both understand what is needed and that we are no where close to getting it. I do think it will happen, people may have to learn to eat bugs but a food source will be found, water can be cleaned and resources developed but I fear it will not happen in my life time.

Yes, sorry. It's early here, I meant to say "validates OUR argument."

It will most certainly not happen in anyone's lifetime. Possibly never at all.