Just because you are born somewhere does not make you that nationality.

Mohammed just needs to live in Sweden for five years and he's granted citizenship by naturalization. Quite frankly, he doesn't even have to speak Swedish, although if he was born there he probably does.

So, yeah, they really do consider him Swedish no problem.

Sure but he'll never be ethnically Swedish. Which is the point. Can I move to China and become Chinese in a few years? Hardly.

Pivoting from a discussion of nationality to one of ethnicity.

Nationality can have two meanings. Yes, he can belong to a nation but he will never be part of the historic ethnic group that are the Swedes.

...the hell are you talking about? Nationality has a precise legal meaning and in this case, the protagonist of our thought experiment has been qualified for Swedish citizenship since he was fricking five years old. Anything else is an attempt to talk about something that the meme was not talking about.

I'm sure you're the expert on that.

:D

Why are you getting uptight? I agreed that he certainly has a right to citizenship. I was just making the distinction of nationality.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nationality&hl=en&safe=off

The question of nationality is something Swedes can decide for themselves. They don't need your help.

I never said they did.

I didn't give an opinion.

Now you're being just plain willy-nilly.

Yup, definitely the expert.

He's obviously antithesis

Well, how about black Swedes, born and raised in Sweden and are Swedish citizens?

Sure, they are Swedish citizens but they'll never be Swedish. Like if I get Chinese citizenship, I'll never be Chinese. If I were born there I'd say I'm a European born in China. It's different than in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.

Side note: "the historic ethnic group that are the Swedes" actually does not encompass a lot of Swedish people. You've got the Sami, Finns who never quite got encompassed within the Finnish border - it goes on, and most people have no idea how much ethnic Swede-ness they really get to claim. Mohammed has just as much a right to it as anyone else, otherwise you'd be disenfranchising a good chunk of the country.

No.

Well if thats the case we're all British.

You can be British without being English.

You can be English without being Anglo Saxon.

Or are they descended from the British Romans? Or the Celts? Or Norse raiders? Normans? Or, and here's a crazy idea, are the lines so blurry and so unimportant that it doesn't really mean anything? Are things like "English" and "Swede" and "American" more a collection of loose adaptable ideas than a concrete exclusionary definition? Aren't national identities really just tools of the powerful during times of struggle with other powerful people desperate to inspire a sense among the common worker that they, too, somehow, have skin in the game?

Could it be that all of this just a bunch of bullshit? Norwegians immigrate into Sweden all the time and never once experience a person saying "yeah, but you'll never be SWEDISH Swedish, you know?" And of all the comments on this page, not one is addressing the obvious: you don't actually give two shits about splitting hairs on ethnic lines - it's all about the color of his skin.

English*

Point still stands tho

What right? Those other groups are all Nordic, Mohammed will never be Nordic.

Maybe being born in China would make you slightly more Chinese. How do you think Chinese folks started to look the way they do?

From Chinese parents, duh.

Yeah, and how do you think THEIR ancestors became racially Chinese?

From Chinese parents, duh.

And how did those ancestors become racially Chinese? What about the time before humans settled in China?

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Is it just me, or is the GIF stretched vertically?

But they have Finns!

Nice!

If Mohamed was born in Sweden by parents who are Swedish citizens he is - of course - also Swedish. Or he might have attained Swedish citizenship later in life, after living a minimum of five years in this country. Everything else is totally irrelevant in this case.

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Not mine, it's a copypasta, gotta be honest about it.

I really don't care, you posted it .... who cares if it came from some other place.

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That image is unironically correct.

But to be fair, the Native Americans originate from Siberia, if I remember correctly.

If you go far back enough, we all originate from the same random spot on the globe!

No, God miraculously teleported them from Israel to America as punishment for hating Jesus. At least that’s what Mormons believe, LEL!