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2 ups, 5y,
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This was taken in 2014. It's a real picture. Of the children that were fleeing violence in Central American countries.

THIS IS NOT a picture of children being forced from their family and shoved into cages so crowded that they can't lay down. It's not a picture of children dying of influenza. It's not a picture of toddlers ripped from their mothers.

Context.

It f**king matters.
2 ups, 5y,
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Ripped from their mothers lol such imagery.

When a single mother goes to jail for a crime, do their children get ripped from them???
2 ups, 5y
Hm. Seems like there's an answer for this... oh, yeah, due process is followed and there's an in place system to make sure the children are cared for, including creating a temporary custodial power of a friend.

So, to recap, if a single mother is arrested. She goes through due process of having a trial. Then if the jury of her peers says she did it, she goes through the sentencing period. And is told ahead of time, 'hey, you're going to go to jail. That kid needs to be taken care of." And if she's truly alone in this world, the kid is put into foster care.

A truly rare event.

But that's not what's happening at the border, is it?

There aren't cages stuffed full of children waiting for mommy to get out of jail.
How many children have been lost in this debacle? How many parents have already been deported but the kids are still in come concentration camp somewhere?

The Obama administration didn't force families apart. That's all Trump.
1 up, 5y,
2 replies
Question, How many Children were detained and seperated under President Obama and how many under President Trump
2 ups, 5y,
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alone 10,000 children went POOF in the human trafficker networks under the Obama administration.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/missing-child-w-spotlights-outrageous-obama-scam/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc

but yeah - lets talk about separation figures
2 ups, 5y
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1 up, 5y,
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Thats not what I talked about. But nvm. Also Whataboutism.
1 up, 5y,
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10,000 missing children whataboutism. sick.
1 up, 5y,
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"So can we talk about how Mr. Putin has killed hundreds?"

"But Stalin killed Millions"

"Thats Whataboutism"

"Million dead people Whataboutism! Sick!"
0 ups, 5y,
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you didn't ask for Stalin figures.
you asked for Obama figures.
you got Obama figures.
deal with it.
1 up, 5y,
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Again. That was not my point. Even if. Did Obama intentionally let those Children get lost? Also I cant find any Article or News Source that can confirm your claim of 10k Children lost.

Anyways, lets assume thats true. Does that make Trump Seperating Thausands of families any less bad? How many Families were Seperated by Obama? At worst a Dozen. By Trump litterally thausands.

Also I asked about Families Seperated not children lost, not that that isnt also horrific and saddening, but still.
0 ups, 5y,
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Oh you can't find any article or news source!!!
Are you unfit to open those two links I sourced ???

Oh you asked for something else??? My bad - I'm not your private researcher.

I checked your profile btw. noticing that you are that previous troll account.
So I'll leave it at that. Good Day.
1 up, 5y,
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"Oh you can't find any article or news source!!!
Are you unfit to open those two links I sourced"

One link doesnt work the other is clearly a right wing mouthpiece.

"Oh you asked for something else"

Yes. Therefore my statment that your statment is Whataboutism.

"I checked your profile btw. noticing that you are that previous troll account."

Yes. Unfortunately I was using this account so much that I decided I'd just make it into my new Main account and therefore have changed the name.
0 ups, 5y,
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/39465050-c542-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html

url got cut my bad.
1 up, 5y
Nah its fine. The bloody Washington Post Article is behind a pay wall, because of course it is. Go***amn it.

Anyway, I tried googling "Obama Human Trafficking" and that got me some actual results. A few articles by the New York Times, some articles by right wing blogs. And a few Fact checker sites. So all in all, thats pretty horrific and this bout of incompetence, failure of the system and sheer unluck is a stain on America.

Now lets go back to Trump. Because he still did what he did and while what the Obama Admin did was unforgivably incompetent, Trump consciously had thausands Separated. I mean the guy has his ups his successful negotations with Turkey and NKorea or his withdrawal of troops (even if at the least opportune time and place, but still) but this is clearly a Negative thing.
0 ups, 5y,
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and no- it's not whataboutism.
'children disappeared' is a subset of 'children separated' and not something else.
supposedly it's a small subset of say 2-5%.
So just multiply that 10,000 children missing by a factor of ~20-50 and you'll get a good estimate of #children separated.
Your claim 'At worst a Dozen separated' under Obama is completely indefensible given thousands missing under Obama.
1 up, 5y
Again. Obama didnt Seperate Children as a policy. What his Admin did was sheer incompetence with those children. Nevertheless it was not purposefully done. Trump on the other hand...

And yes its still Whataboutism seeing as I was talking about Trump and you Went:

Me: "How many Children were sepereted by Trump and how many by Obama [As a policy]"

You: "Look at this case where officials under the Obama admin. were infuriatingly incompetent"

{All of the above "Dialogue" was paraphrased}
0 ups, 5y
you brought up Obama moron!
0 ups, 5y
and I gave you a figure.
of 10,000 children.
0 ups, 5y,
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re new Main account:
so you already lost your face with an old main account LOL
1 up, 5y
Nope. However I wont explain my reasoning.
0 ups, 5y
well- raycat just deleted, so there's that ...
1 up, 5y,
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So what? Claiming "whataboutism" in no way negates the validity of the argument. It's just a way to try and /sidestep/ the argument because you can't refute it.
1 up, 5y
Becase my orignial Comment has nothing to do with these people. While sad and horrible, we are talking, or atleast I was, about something else. I refuse to continue this line of Dialogue.
1 up, 5y,
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he ain't gonna answer because he only speak in captioned images
1 up, 5y
Hmm
0 ups, 5y
where is this?
0 ups, 5y
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