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Did you ever have to fight an addiction or help someone else to? What's the best way to help without enabling?

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5 ups, 5y,
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I'm so sad, because my aunt is in jail yet again. This time my parents aren't bailing her out. It's $9,000 and we can't afford it. We've tried everything to help her, but she refuses to change. It's heartbreaking seeing her waste her life. She's not even happy. I fear someday she may take her life.
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5 ups, 5y,
1 reply
I forgot to say, She's an alcoholic
5 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Sorry, bud. Maybe some jail time will help her dry out and get introspective.
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5 ups, 5y,
1 reply
I wish that was true but she just gets soaked again when she comes out. She lives by herself so no one to be accountable to. But I think the only time she's sober is in jail so I guess you're right.
5 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Do you know why she drinks? Did she go through tragedy?
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5 ups, 5y,
1 reply
My dad says (her brother ) that she was spoiled and coddled all her life. She got special priveleges growing up like hanging out with their parents and adults at a bar at 10 years old. No discipline it sounds like although my dad seems to have lived in her shadow (he's younger) he's accomplished allot in his life 2 doctorate degrees, a family, successful career. She never settled down, wasted money traveling and partying, living the life I guess. But now she's old and alone and filing her days with the bottle. From the time I was little I remember her drunk. Never liked her but she could be nice when sober. I know it tears my dad's heart. He has to take responsibility for her since their parents are deceased and he's the only family. He's already spent $10,000 over the past few years bailing her out of jail. He's had it. I wish I knew what to say to help the situation.
4 ups, 5y,
1 reply
In the 50's, doctors use to take magic mushrooms with alcoholics, and delve into the reasons for drinking, alot of time because of abuse, and they had an 80% success rate, until it was shut down. Probably not a realistic solution...
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4 ups, 5y,
2 replies
I'm not following. They used to prescribe mushrooms to alcoholics?
5 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Yes, to reach the root of the issue. Alot of alcoholics are drinking to blot out memories. I heard about it starting up again 5 years ago or so. But the psychiatist does it with them.
1 up, 5y
According to "OurWorldData.org" is 30 years of age, before modern medicine came about in the 1900's (1)

According to the National Academy of Natural Sciences it's 30-40 years.

What you see again, is the average life expectancy that is generally agreed in the academic, scientific, and governmental sphere. Some estimate it to be higher or lower than others, hence, the generally agreed number.

You may find scientific journals and articles that dispute these, but the thing to watch out for, is what are the causes of life expectancy, do they account for the discrepancies, etc. Anyone can make a claim to the contrary but can they back it up?

1. https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy
2. https://www.pnas.org/content/107/suppl_1/1718
5 ups, 5y
It was an experiment that got shot down pretty quick despite the success.

Cary Grant use to do LSD with his shrink in the 50's.
4 ups, 5y,
2 replies
Sorry to hear that. My cousin went through a rough patch like that, got arrested and served some time. He's now an addiction recovery counselor. It took the difficult time and family intervention to bring him around, but he's doing great now, has your aunt ever looked into some rehab options? The person has to want to break the cycle, that's the thing, and until they have that chain breaking moment they will continue to suffer the affliction. It's a terrible condition to have, I will pray for you and your aunt and family, just hang in there.
3 ups, 5y
Also, to answer your question I have fought and overcome nicotine addiction, it was one of the hardest things I ever did but one of the best things I ever did for myself and my family. Haven't had a craving in a couple of years now, and its awesome.
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2 ups, 5y,
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Thanks. I appreciate the prayers and encouraging words. I think like you said all efforts on the family's part are fruitless unless the person actually wants to change.
2 ups, 5y
Not fruitless, dont stop trying. Like I said, part of my cousins rehab began because of family intervention. But, they have to get the big picture and understand that others are affected by their behavior, that its destructive, and only they can make their mind up. You're welcome, I hope she seeks help, take care.
2 ups, 5y
Hi, I'm sorry what you're going through. I'll pray for her, and for you and your family during this time of trial.
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
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4 ups, 5y,
1 reply
I hope you do. As that is also a serious issue with its own consequences and long term negative effects for the viewers as well as those who create it.
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2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
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2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Please explain? Sorry I'm a bit slow today.
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
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3 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Oh, is that what Michael was singing about? Hmmm. Well I don't believe in that either.
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2 ups, 5y,
2 replies
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2 ups, 5y
I know, just trying to be funny like you were. ;)
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2 ups, 5y
But you did give me another good question for the Think Tank. Thanks!
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
That’s especially the case when it comes to the addiction to eating animals.
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
Not sure how having a hamburger destroys one's family like drugs or alcohol abuse.
0 ups, 5y,
2 replies
It destroys the families of the animals required to make those burger patties. If you’re willing to perform mental gymnastics to justify eating animals simply because you like the way they taste, it’s an addiction.
1 up, 5y,
1 reply
You mean like, Deer hunting? Just because deer taste good.
0 ups, 5y
Even more deers must be killed from deforestation to make flesh from cattles.
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
I think it takes more mental gymnastics to think that one's diet (which is a matter of preference) can be compared to shooting oneself up with drugs, or landing yourself in jail because you were so inebriated. And I don't think the families of addicts appreciate being compared to animals. I sure don't. Please speak some sense and stay on topic.
0 ups, 5y,
3 replies
That’s exactly where speciesism comes into play, which is what I meant by “mental gymnastics”. What do humans have yet nonhumans lack that justifies such discrimination? Innocence and the ability to feel the pain of discrimination should be the only two criteria considered when determining any entity’s moral value.
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4 ups, 5y
I was looking for advice on how to deal with the human problem of alcohol addiction. I'm guessing you don't know what that's like since you haven't offered anything helpful related to my post. Unless you do have experience yourself or a family member/friend I ask you kindly not to comment. Thanks.
4 ups, 5y,
2 replies
I'm eating a steak today just for you.
0 ups, 5y
That proves to me that you’re addicted!
0 ups, 5y,
4 replies
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I’m going to Uganda to make & watch child porn just for you!
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4 ups, 5y,
1 reply
What has this to do with my post? And child porn is not remotely funny. It's tragic and so is your attitude if you think it something to laugh about.
2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
It's a joke towards me cuz i bashed him for being a child molester, which i'm pretty sure he's not, just has ideas I disagree with. He's just 16.
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3 ups, 5y,
3 replies
Perhaps he is judging from some of his memes and posts. Only 16? Wow.
3 ups, 5y
Hmm, didn't check them. He's got a weird sense of humor, can't suss him out sometimes.
0 ups, 5y
Perhaps I’m what?
0 ups, 5y
“Apparently not just women. SMH.”

You think I’m bisexual?!
2 ups, 5y
You're making me sorry that I defended you.
1 up, 5y,
1 reply
Are you familair with HUMAN TRAFFICKING, Mario?
0 ups, 5y,
13 replies
Child porn does not traffick anyone if the children consent!
4 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Your dad should bitchslap you. What should be the age of consent, in your opinion?
0 ups, 5y
Around 12. But since I’m an anarchist, I find it best for the NAP to handle this.
3 ups, 5y,
2 replies
That's pretty messed up. Your going to say eating meat is wrong, but CHILD PORN isen't?
Where are your moral values?
1 up, 5y
HOLY FU-
0 ups, 5y
That’s because I want to make my own porn so I can brag to my friends about my sexual encounters. Eating flesh obviously hurts trillions of animals yearly, yet it’s completely unnatural and unnecessary.
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4 ups, 5y,
1 reply
LOL, you make eating meat sound like a heinous crime but you think child porn is okay.

Those conspiracy theories have fried your brain, man. Go get some help.
0 ups, 5y
Actually, society has fried your brain into being closed-minded to the point where you tell me to get help. I know exactly how crazy I sound, so you don’t need to remind me. That doesn’t mean that I really am crazy. It’s not fair that I can’t make my own porn with a girl my age so I can brag to my friends (especially to other girls) about how good of a sex partner I am.
3 ups, 5y,
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Children CAN'T consent, genius.
0 ups, 5y
Yes they can, if they’re taught about sex from an earlier age.
3 ups, 5y
Do you know what children are? And know I know you're not trolling.
2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Your friends will NOT be impressed with gay scat porn.
1 up, 5y
Like he cares?
2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Children who are in it are SEX SLAVES, Mario.
0 ups, 5y
Then it’s sex slavery that needs to be banned, not child porn/prostitution!
1 up, 5y,
3 replies
Children do not have the level of comprehension or understanding as adults do. That's why there are laws that prohibit certain activiities in orderr to protect them such as drinking, smoking, gun ownership, driving, etc.

You yourself acknowledged that fact, how? Because you set that limit of prostitution and child pornography at the age of 12. You know that children before that age have a premature or an incomplete congnition. But ask them if they want to learn how to drive and they would generally say yes.

You could say that in most traditions, kids at that age are already classified as adults because they're given the rite of initiation that officiates age such as Toga parties. Furthermore, they generally begin to marry at that age, on.

However, bear this in mind: the average mortality rate before 20th century is 30 years of age. Also, the same people who determined such an age are the same who generally regard the female sex as the weaker in every catagory; not all have the same estimation but that tells you limited their knowledge us, without science. Adulthood, therefore, is dictated by circumstances and limited sight, rather than biology, psychiatry, etc. Before the age of science there is hardly any method of observation, experimentation, and testing close to the Scientific Method.

Even at the age of science, before the 1940's, intelligence is measured in brain size... rather than observable intellectual capacity. Thus they believed that the European people is more intelligent than the African. Since then, science proved otherwise. The African, and other darker-skinned people are just as intelligent as the light-skinned peoples of Europe.

And science also proved that the age of full adult maturity, in terms of fine motor ability, strength, and cognition, is far beyond the age of 12. Teenagers, in their adolesent stage of development (ages 10-19*), could not be trusted with just anything.

* https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/teen/Pages/Stages-of-Adolescence.aspx
2 ups, 5y
That stat is a little misleading. That mortality rate takes the high child mortality into it. If you survived childhood the average age of death is much higher.
0 ups, 5y
The human body is not full grown until age 25=)
0 ups, 5y
“Children do not have the level of comprehension or understanding as adults do. That's why there are laws that prohibit certain activities in order to protect them such as drinking, smoking, gun ownership, driving, etc.”

I’m okay with kids drinking, but kids aren’t responsible enough to do the other things you mentioned. Sex is different. There are plenty of countries with child consent ages of 12, yet there are very few countries that allow child porn. If teens can f**k responsibly, they can also record themselves. If child porn is gonna be illegal, at least lower the age at which one can make porn,

“You yourself acknowledged that fact, how? Because you set that limit of prostitution and child pornography at the age of 12. You know that children before that age have a premature or an incomplete congnition. But ask them if they want to learn how to drive and they would generally say yes.”

That’s a false analogy fallacy, the fallacy that you seem to be the king of. It’s not their faults that no one teaches kids about sex at an early age. Driving is far more complicated to learn about.

“…However, bear this in mind: the average mortality rate before 20th century is 30 years of age. Also, the same people who determined such an age are the same who generally regard the female sex as the weaker in every catagory; not all have the same estimation but that tells you limited their knowledge us, without science.…”

Correlation does not equal causation. Another source that says it’s okay for children to f**k is the Bible, I mean, Mary was a teenager when she bore Jesus!

“…And science also proved that the age of full adult maturity, in terms of fine motor ability, strength, and cognition, is far beyond the age of 12. Teenagers, in their adolesent stage of development (ages 10-19*), could not be trusted with just anything.”

The world did perfectly fine when kids had more freedom. I’m sure that has nothing to do with the mortality rates.
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1 up, 5y,
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So you look at women as just things for sex?
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2 ups, 5y
Apparently not just women. SMH
0 ups, 5y
No, when did I say that?!
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1 up, 5y
I posted a new meme on this topic. Why not move the discussion there? I'd like to hear your defense.
1 up, 5y,
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"You mean I can get punished even if I watch child porn in Uganda?! Why does the government care?!"

Because they're a civilized state, Mario. Every state, including third world countries, wants to be regarded as equal to fully developed states. Even if they do not want to, they'll conform to international standard lest the modern states bar themselves from trading with them, and regard them as backward like North Korea.

They NEED to modernize to Western standards (as they lead in every level of modernization and industrialization), which includes the acceptance of international laws regarding sex.

And BTW, Mario, read Romans 13;1-4. As a Christian, you MUST obey the laws set by God's appointed ministers. They maybe imperfect, but they're nonetheless appointed BY GOD, to establish law and order.

So are you going to obey GOD, or your man-made politic?
0 ups, 5y
“…They NEED to modernize to Western standards (as they lead in every level of modernization and industrialization), which includes the acceptance of international laws regarding sex.”

So you’re basically admitting that your a Eurocentric globalistic cultural-Marxist! The only technology developed in Europe before the Protestant reformation involved either warfare or farming. Asia and the Americas did perfectly finely. It’s easy for you to say that western standards are the best, for obvious reasons. You need to look at the world through the eyes of an Asian (racial joke not intended) or an African. It’s not like you know what it’s like. Not that I know, but there must be a good reason why Africans have totally different sexual customs.

“And BTW, Mario, read Romans 13;1-4. As a Christian, you MUST obey the laws set by God's appointed ministers. They maybe imperfect, but they're nonetheless appointed BY GOD, to establish law and order. So are you going to obey GOD, or your man-made politic?”

🤦🏽‍♂️ SMFH, as usual! That part of the Bible said nothing about ministers! It meant that we must obey ONLY God’s law! You referencing that Bible verse is like asking to be roasted! Unlike those of the ministers, my politics aren’t made to control everyone; therefore, everyone obeys God INSTEAD OF obeying an idolatrous human authority! Stop being so self-righteous by asking me your loaded questions about the Bible when you should know that it’s far more complicated than that! It’s not like the Israelites had authorities besides the prophets whom God actually did appoint!
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0 ups, 5y,
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"Another source that says it’s okay for children to f**k is the Bible, I mean, Mary was a teenager when she bore Jesus!"
Did you really just forget the fact she's a virgin?
0 ups, 5y
Well, no one was shocked by the fact that she was pregnant. God expected Mary to give birth to Jesus at a young age, and Mary was married to Joseph!
1 up, 5y,
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“Children do not have the level of comprehension or understanding as adults do. That's why there are laws that prohibit certain activities in order to protect them such as drinking, smoking, gun ownership, driving, etc.”

You're Grasping Staws, Mario. You know that the countries that allows, for example, child marraiges, are 3rd world countries which societies never gone beyond Medieval mores. And of course they allow child consent in such countries that forces underaged girls to marry old men, whether they like it or not. And for children who do voluntarily go into prostitution... well they have no choice. They do so under economic necessity, rather than choice. Human beings have a moral consicence which we know instinctivley (Romans 2;14-16). What sane human being would willingly defile and degrade their bodies unless they had to?

"That’s a false analogy fallacy, the fallacy that you seem to be the king of. It’s not their faults that no one teaches kids about sex at an early age. Driving is far more complicated to learn about."

I bet you don't even know what False Analogy is. You've only used that term in order to dismiss your own words so that it wouldn't be used against you. And it doesn't help you at all, to commit Ad Hominem, by callingme a kng of it.

“…However, bear this in mind: the average mortality rate before 20th century is 30 years of age. Also, the same people who determined such an age are the same who generally regard the female sex as the weaker in every catagory; not all have the same estimation but that tells you limited their knowledge us, without science.…”

Correlation does not equal causation. Another source that says it’s okay for children to f**k is the Bible, I mean, Mary was a teenager when she bore Jesus!

You don't even know what Correlation means. If a series of effects can be linked direcfly to events, then a correlation is established. Do you deny that there's a mortality rate under 30? Mind you, the morality rade did not improve until there was an improvement of diet (Columbian Exchange) and modern medicine in the late 19th century.

"The world did perfectly fine when kids had more freedom. I’m sure that has nothing to do with the mortality rates."

Well you basically ignored everything I've said about the adolescent stage of development. I have science to back me, and what do you have? STRAWS.
0 ups, 5y
Prostitution does not degrade one’s body; it admires the body’s beauty.

Me calling you the king of the false analogy fallacy is not an ad hominem; you keep proving it.

You just like to believe that you have science to back you up. Your own ego about everything you think you know never fails to annoy me.
0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Mario. Would you like me invole the FBI or INTERPOL?
0 ups, 5y,
3 replies
The FBI can’t punish me if I’m doing it in Uganda! : þ
2 ups, 5y,
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Of course not, it's not within their Jurisdiction. Nevertheless, Child Porn and Sex Trafficking is an International Crime. So guess what, Mario: you fall into the jurisdiction of INTERPOL.

That's International Police. INTERPOL can arrest you anywhere in the world, and if they chose to, can extradite you to the US for prosecution.

Like it or not, you are an American Citizen; once extradited, the FBI will arrest you, and likely you might = have a Felony on your record, perhaps try YOU as an Adult, and you will spend time in jail. I wouldn't count on Ignorance as your defense.

"Ignorance of the Law is No Excuse".

Once out you will have to register as a Sex Offender, wear a tracking brace for the rest of your life, and all this will be on your record... REGARDLESS of whether you believe in State and Federal Law regarding or not.
0 ups, 5y
You mean I can get punished even if I watch child porn in Uganda?! Why does the government care?!
1 up, 5y
“…They NEED to modernize to Western standards (as they lead in every level of modernization and industrialization), which includes the acceptance of international laws regarding sex.”

"So you’re basically admitting that your a Eurocentric globalistic cultural-Marxist!"

Wow Mario; rather than accusing me of something else, why don't you try and disprove my argument using facts, rather than Ad Hominen Circomstancial.

“And BTW, Mario, read Romans 13;1-4. As a Christian, you MUST obey the laws set by God's appointed ministers. They maybe imperfect, but they're nonetheless appointed BY GOD, to establish law and order. So are you going to obey GOD, or your man-made politic?”

Did you actually read it, Mario? If so, did you just lie to me? Saying that it's about the commandments and not human government? Let's look at that passage again:

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For RULERS are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
- Romans 13:1-4

Literary speaking, where do you see ecclesiastical authority, Mario? Where do you see that this only refers to the church, or to the commandments of God? No where; right Mario?

BTW, here's another passage you cannot argue against:

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
- 2 Peter 2:13-15

Do you want to lie about this passage too?

Let me quote Paul Washer for your sake:

"TWIST NOT SCRIPTURE LEST YE BE THE DEVIL BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS".

You already know what Satan does with God's word (Genesis 3:1); are you proving yourself to be reprobate (2 Corinthians 13:5 & Romans 8:7)? Do you want to lie again?
1 up, 5y,
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"Prostitution does not degrade one’s body; it admires the body’s beauty."

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
- Matthew 5:28

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
- 1 John 2:15-16

Definition of Lust
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1939&t=KJV

"Me calling you the king of the false analogy fallacy is not an ad hominem; you keep proving it."

If that is only your rebuttal (as you've never explained why I'm guilty of) then you've lost that debate.

"You just like to believe that you have science to back you up. Your own ego about everything you think you know never fails to annoy me."

Name-calling is no rebuttal, Mario. In the meanwhile... YOU'RE IGNORING GOD:

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For RULERS are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for HE BEARETH NOT A SWORD IN VAIN: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
- Romans 13:1-4

13 SUBMIT yourselves to EVERY ORDINANCE OF MAN for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the KING, as supreme;
14 Or unto GOVENORS, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
- 2 Peter 2:13-15
0 ups, 5y
I used to believe that the same Bible verse that you first quoted on this comment makes all sex immoral. They can easily be talking about simply checking out married women, or one’s relatives. We check people out all the time.
0 ups, 5y
“SUBMIT yourselves to EVERY ORDINANCE OF MAN for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the KING, as supreme; Or unto GOVERNORS, as unto them that are sent by Him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing he may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men…”

If God meant for us obey every ordinance of man, it would be okay to obey the Nazis during the third Reich, or the Proto-papist Romans who executed Jesus, or any slave owner, or even the Egyptians who enslaved the Israelites, ETC. I hate to resort to this excuse, but that could be a Latin mistranslation that was purposefully used by papist scholars. You’d be surprised by how much this has been done. After all, governors didn’t even exist at that time & place in Israel.

Now about your section of Romans, “For there is no power but of God…” debunks your misconception that God wants us to be controlled by secular/cultish human authorities.

Why me, anyways?! Not that I want you to stop, but what’s making you so defensive against my anarchist philosophy?!

Here’s proof that the Bible is, in fact, an anarchist manifesto:
http://anarchistmanifesto.com/
1 up, 5y,
2 replies
Chimpanzees eat meat, so what's your point?
1 up, 5y
Hi ashkyle, have you made a reply to me?
0 ups, 5y,
7 replies
But not nearly as much. And no other primates eat flesh.
3 ups, 5y,
2 replies
Watch yourself Mario. This isn't the stream to be cursing at people.
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
I'm sorry, Syd, the tone I used wasn't the best one to use at that moment
2 ups, 5y
I'm probably the last that should comment, seeing my trolling. Thank you, tho, bro.
1 up, 5y,
5 replies
When did I curse?
4 ups, 5y,
1 reply
You called Vic a 'sick f__k'. Debate all you want but be respectful or there will be consequences. I understand getting heated but please keep it civil, okay? Thank you, Mario.
0 ups, 5y
I got sick of UniformVictor making his fallacies and accusations.
K8. M
2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
You do know there is a way to disagree with someone without cursing them or disrespecting and blowing off what they have to say. This is why I couldn't make you MOD. The way you've spoken to some individuals in this steam is not acceptable.
0 ups, 5y
Fair enough. But UniformVictor insults me, too, and even worse, so you should at least keep him from being a mod.
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2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
Mario, THIS is why people think you're a troll! You keep accusing people like Victor and me just because we're using facts against your false understanding of the world! You're the one who's trying to bait people into anger, not us.

Honestly, Mario, I wasn't the only one that thought you were a troll when you first appeared. You should act more mature if you want people to take you seriously.
0 ups, 5y
I didn’t accuse you of anything. It’s about time I’ve woken up to realize that both you and UniformVictor are trolls. Of course, that won’t stop me from debating you, since refusal to reason is basically a loss.
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1 up, 5y,
1 reply
If I were a troll, then my memes would be much more trollier!

Wait, that excuse sounds familiar...

And I never wanted to stop debating you, I want you to realize the truth and the flaws in your beliefs. You're the one who's losing, using Nazis and conspiracy theories as excuses to your lack of strong arguments.
0 ups, 5y
Your memes are much trollier then mine.
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0 ups, 5y
And why is that so?
K8. M
2 ups, 5y,
3 replies
Not sure how uniform is so offensive to you when all he's doing is quoting scripture and never once spoke to you in a demeaning way. He's being quite mature. You can leave the discussion at any time.
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2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
It's just Mario being in denial, Kate, nothing too new.
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0 ups, 5y,
1 reply
K8. M
2 ups, 5y
Did you not read my request to stop insulting other users and cuss in the comments?
0 ups, 5y,
2 replies
I thought I just used an acronym (STFU), which doesn’t count. What’s wrong with cussing, anyways?
K8. M
2 ups, 5y,
1 reply
It counts as an insult directed toward another that you disagree with. Cussing is a copout when you don't have a good grasp of the English language to speak in a mature manner. Have you ever seen me cuss? Or many of the users in this stream yet we are pretty successful in having great conversations even with those we might not like.
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But cussing is not nearly as offensive as making false accusations. On many of the times, I didn’t even use cuss words to insult. There’s nothing immature about using such wordstock.
1 up, 5y
I want you to promise me, that you will read about sex slavery in terms of prevailence, how it is supported, how child pornography and prostitution is connected to sex slavery; why has it grown, the victims and their stories, etc.

Will you do that, Mario?
0 ups, 5y,
7 replies
Ignore GriledCheez. He’s just a troll.

UniformVictor keeps accusing everything I say of being evil. He just keeps using logical fallacies while accusing me of making logical fallacies. And his use of ALL CAPS is quite liberal, which kind of shows me that he’s getting really defensive.
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1 reply
Wow, you can't take a joke? This is a meme site, buddy, not a pornsite where you can brag about how big you p**is is (which is probably not as big as you say)
1 up, 5y
I've expected more from him. I'm afraid my expectations proved too much.
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1 reply
What's wrong with asking questions? Isn't that how the human race advanced itself in the first place?
0 ups, 5y
Not if it’s a loaded question, which is when you ask a question where one outcome would make you seem like you’re making a right choice (even though you disagree with it) while the other outcome makes you seem like you’re making a wrong choice (even though you agree with it). They often fail to acknowledge certain ideas. A good example is the ballot for when Adolph Hitler was about to be elected as the German prime minister. It asked something like “Do you want to make Germany a better place? Do you think Adolf Hitler should be the prime minister?”.
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2 replies
Stop delaying, Mario. This shows that you've already lost.
3 ups, 5y
Pleeze Cheez. You know he gets excited.
0 ups, 5y
LMFAO! UniformVictor is the one who’s refusing to tell me what he wants me to refute! Making such assumptions that I lost (as well as your dedication in opposing me) clearly shows me that you’re the troll! You’ve never said anything nice to me nor about me at all!
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1 reply
What he wants you to refute is right there, clear as day. You complain that he didn't give the direct quote, but you can just search it up in the Internet! It's not that hard!

This shows that you're either lazy or scared, but looking at how you said that you won't stop, you're just scared.

Hey look, you went on one random meme of mine and started harassing me. You know who else does that? Trolls.

That's what you are, Mario. A troll
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VagabondSouffle always “harassed” DJFox, even though DJFox was the troll. You also harassed me on many memes, although most of them weren’t mine.

UniformVictor won’t tell me what I didn’t refute, and he must know he’s wrong because he doesn’t want to tell me. It’s been a while, so I don’t remember where his quotes are.
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1 reply
We're using all caps to emphasize on the important things, so you don't just pass it off as useless material like you always do.

Also, you have no idea what the trolls here are like, compared to them, I'm nothing.
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I think DJFox might be an example of another troll. But at least DJFox is not as prejudiced against folks with outlandish ideologies.

He doesn’t always use all caps for emphasis. If so, it’s normally unnecessary. But it’s normally not limited to that; UniformVictor also likes to accuse me of letting my beliefs override God’s word, when in reality, that’s exactly what he does. He keeps asking loaded questions!
1 up, 5y,
1 reply
"flagMarioTheRebel0 ups, 1d
Again, he stopped replying and you stopped replying. Unless I missed the notification. Trust me, I’d never cuck our like that!"

A week later you still haven't given me a rebuttal.

And here yoiu are, lying to GrilledCheez about the outcome of our debate. Deny that all you want, but you know you not only lost the debate, you're wrong (James 4:17).

You can try and deceive everyone else about the outcome but you cannot deceive God (Psalms 94:9-11).

You're all about exposing the false teachings of the Catholic church and the Pope but here YOU are, refusing to accept the scriptures for the sake of YOUR political philosophy.

YOU expected them to accept the teachings of scripture but YOU WOULDN'T DO IT YOURSELF, ignoring the two verses I've given you.

But never mind GrilledCheez and I, you have a bigger problem because God has said:

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. - Galatians 6:7

You think about that as you continue to defend Child Porn and Prostitution. And if you end up in Jail in relations of the two, YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME.
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See, you’re letting your self-righteousness speak yet again, assuming that God is on your side — which is how I know you’ve lost! Just give me the Bible quotes that you expected me to refute your interpretation thereof.
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1 reply
(Says the troll)
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You just proved my point.
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1 reply
"If God meant for us obey every ordinance of man, it would be okay to obey the Nazis during the third Reich, or the Proto-papist Romans who executed Jesus, or any slave owner, or even the Egyptians who enslaved the Israelites, ETC. I hate to resort to this excuse, but that could be a Latin mistranslation that was purposefully used by papist scholars. You’d be surprised by how much this has been done. After all, governors didn’t even exist at that time & place in Israel."

Of course not, Mario. If a ruler asked us to sacrifice to Caesar to worship him, then we don't have to obey that order. Since God... is the one who appointed them as, then we do not have to obey every law that violates the commandments of God.

"Now about your section of Romans, “For there is no power but of God…” debunks your misconception that God wants us to be controlled by secular/cultish human authorities."

And what did God do in that passage? He appointed what... for us to obey?

"Why me, anyways?! Not that I want you to stop, but what’s making you so defensive against my anarchist philosophy?!"

Why you, Mario? Because YOU are the one saying that Child Pornography is OK, despite... what's stated in the State, Federal, and International law..

YOU'RE the one who has said there's nothing wrong with Prostitution, even though it is illegal in this country and others.

"Here’s proof that the Bible is, in fact, an anarchist manifesto:
http://anarchistmanifesto.com/"

No, I'm not done yet, Mario. YOU must deal with the scriptures.

17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
- James 4:17
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2 replies
Just visit my website! Abrahamic religions seem to be some of the very few to not be dependent on theocratic emperors… until the popery emerged, which was predicted by the Bible to be the Antichrist, but that’s a different argument.
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1 reply
I won't let you go that easily. You're the one who've made that claim on those two verses so it's time for you to prove your claims, or own up to it.

Take responsibillity for your words.
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I know that you’ll keep asking that no matter how much I prove you wrong (which I already did), so let’s just agree to disagree. Sometimes, you have to use external logic (from other parts of the Bible) to interpret verses like this one.
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2 replies
"I know that you’ll keep asking that no matter how much I prove you wrong (which I already did), so let’s just agree to disagree. Sometimes, you have to use external logic (from other parts of the Bible) to interpret verses like this one."

Too easy, Mario so you want to quit before you'd prove me wrong? Here on this threat for all to see?

The scriptures are absolutelyt clear Mario that YOU are to obey authority. the problem is that you'd rather keep your poltiical theory rather than obey God.

And those authorities, regardless of their imperfections, ARE TRYING TO PROTECT WOMEN AND CHILDREN FROM SEX SLAVERY and YOU think Child Porn and Prostitution is OK

You've never studied these things before now did you?. You've never learnt about Human Trafficking, how it's supported, the Pimps who supplied it, how victims are lured by them (for example, entities claiming to be legitimate Modelling businesses), or how they're kidnapped, how the Porn industry is the life blood of sex slavery, etc. If you did, you would've not sadi what you've said.

And on what are the basis of your premises, Mario? From research or on nothing more than your thought processes which fits nicely to your political worldview?

Why don't you go here: https://www.missingkids.org/home

Why don't you go there: https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/

START SOMEWHERE, MARIO, instead of justifying the things YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT!

These women and children are being **ped, tortured, dying,and sometimes murdered, and here you are defending something that you feel Child Pornography and Prostitution is OK.
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He's fallen into the trap of material pleasure, at the cost of him denying the truth and wanting more lies

He doesn't want to listen to anybody because he thinks he knows everything

Which proves he knows nothing
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No, I never said that I wanted to quit instead of proving you wrong. I already proved you wrong, yet you refused to acknowledge it. Jesus was obviously executed by authorities; in fact, most of the Bible was all about prophets escaping slavery from various kingdoms!

“The scriptures are absolutely clear Mario that YOU are to obey authority. the problem is that you'd rather keep your poltiical theory rather than obey God.”

SEE?! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW BIASED AND STRAWMAN-INFESTED YOUR SPEECH IS! I AM OBEYING GOD; YOU JUST DON’T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT, CHOOSING TO GO BY YOUR OWN BIASED AND UNBACKED PERCEPTION!

Crazy psychopathic trolls like you make me wish I really was a pedophile so I could spite you for your hostility towards my opinions! Why do you hate me so much simply for wanting to legalize child porn & prostitution, even though you’re part of the cult (Papism) that’s infamous for its child sex abuse scandals?! I bet the popery’s clergy rapes way more children than the child porn industry would if it was legal!
1 up, 5y
Mario. Don't forget to answer my counter-rebuttal to you on Romans 13:1-4 & 1 Peter 2:15-16.
1 up, 5y,
1 reply
"Those verses was most likely only talking about prophets. Those are the only powers ordained by God."

Prove that, Mario.
0 ups, 5y,
6 replies
All other authorities claim power simply because they can. All forms of authority are forms of exploitation and slavery against those with less power.
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1 reply
This was not my fight, it was between you and Victor. But, you still haven't given a valid rebuttal.

Also, you stopped replying on the medicine thread, which means you gave up.
0 ups, 5y
Again, he stopped replying and you stopped replying. Unless I missed the notification. Trust me, I’d never cuck our like that!
1 up, 5y,
1 reply
"No, I never said that I wanted to quit instead of proving you wrong. I already proved you wrong, yet you refused to acknowledge it. Jesus was obviously executed by authorities; in fact, most of the Bible was all about prophets escaping slavery from various kingdoms!"

Then STOP DELAYING and MAKE YOUR REBUTTAL.
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What do you want me to rebut, again?
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1 reply
So you've given up?
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What makes you think that?
1 up, 5y,
2 replies
You're not proving to me, your claim on the two scriptures. Did you read it?
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Which ones?!
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How do you even remember all of these scriptures that you cherrypick?! Do you just get them from a website?
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1 reply
Don;t forget to make your rebuttal, Mario

And in case you've 'forgotten' my rebuttal to yours, here it is:

YOU
"If God meant for us obey every ordinance of man, it would be okay to obey the Nazis during the third Reich, or the Proto-papist Romans who executed Jesus, or any slave owner, or even the Egyptians who enslaved the Israelites, ETC. I hate to resort to this excuse, but that could be a Latin mistranslation that was purposefully used by papist scholars. You’d be surprised by how much this has been done. After all, governors didn’t even exist at that time & place in Israel."

ME
Of course not, Mario. If a ruler asked us to sacrifice to Caesar to worship him, then we don't have to obey that order. Since God... is the one who appointed them as, then we do not have to obey every law that violates the commandments of God.

YOU
"Now about your section of Romans, “For there is no power but of God…” debunks your misconception that God wants us to be controlled by secular/cultish human authorities."

ME
And what did God do in that passage? He appointed what... for us to obey?

YOU
"Why me, anyways?! Not that I want you to stop, but what’s making you so defensive against my anarchist philosophy?!"

ME
Why you, Mario? Because YOU are the one saying that Child Pornography is OK, despite... what's stated in the State, Federal, and International law..

YOU'RE the one who has said there's nothing wrong with Prostitution, even though it is illegal in this country and others.

YOU
"Here’s proof that the Bible is, in fact, an anarchist manifesto:
http://anarchistmanifesto.com/"

ME
No, I'm not done yet, Mario. YOU must deal with the scriptures.

17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
- James 4:17

NO MORE DELAYS, MARIO.
Make your rebuttal
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LEL, that scripture has nothing to do with authority, so there’s nothing for me to rebut!
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1 reply
Well, you've stopped fighting, which means you have nothing else to fight with
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No, you stopped fighting.
1 up, 5y,
2 replies
"I used to believe that the same Bible verse that you first quoted on this comment makes all sex immoral. They can easily be talking about simply checking out married women, or one’s relatives. We check people out all the time."

Now that is a Strawman. Unlike you not bothering to explain why my argumentation is fallacious, I'll do so here. It is when you take your opponent's argument and mischaracterize it to where it looks foolish, evil, or so that is easily rebutted by you.

So where did I say that sex is evil, Mario?

https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-straw-man/
1 up, 5y
"What do you want me to rebut, again?"

Romans 13:1-4 & 1 Peter 2:15-16

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13%3A1-4%2C+1+Peter+2%3A15-16&version=KJV
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6 replies
You were one making strawmen against me. I know that it might seem like an assumption to say that you’re against all forms of sex, but sex really can’t exist without lust. Oh, wait; I said that I (not you) thought all forms of sex are immoral.
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1 reply
Answer Victor's question, unles... You have no answer?

Got 'em.
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Again, you’re sounding like a troll as usual!

I already answered UniformVictor’s question!
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Yeah, your answer was "it was on another comment"

Which comment exactly?
1 up, 5y
Romans 13:1-4 & 1 Peter 2:15-16

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+13%3A1-4%2C+1+Peter+2%3A15-16&version=KJV
1 up, 5y,
1 reply
Mario, I've asked you to prove your claim, that these two verses are only for the Prophets. So are you going to do it or not?
0 ups, 5y
I just did on another part of the thread!
1 up, 5y
And again, you're not showing me HOW... I'm doing it. You're just throwing one accusation after another, because you have nothing left to use.

Now how about proving me that the two scriptures I've given: Romans 13;1-4 and 1 Peter 2:15-16 is only written for the Prophets?
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"LEL, that scripture has nothing to do with authority, so there’s nothing for me to rebut!"

Romans 13:1-4 & 1 Peter 2:15-16, Mario. I've asked you to rebut my counter-rebuttal. And right now, you're not doing that..

Instead you've claimed the sciptures "...had nothing to do with authority....", as if Romans 13:1-4 & 1 Peter 2:15-16 had never existed.

Next, you will say that I'm just wrong with my interpretation of the two verses; or that I've ignored the whole bible (which you've said earlier)..

I'm sure you'll look for, and present verses that seemed to contradict me. I would normally welcome that except that knowing you by now, you'll probably find any verse, mindless of context, to prove biblically your worldview.

Oh, that's awfully judgmental of me? I've just committed Ad Hominem? Well what did you just do, Mario?

YOU'VE LIED TO ME, SAYING THAT THE SCRIPTURES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AUTHORITY!,WHEN YOU KNOW, VERY WELL, WHAT ROMANS 13:1-4 & 1 PETER 2:15-16 SAYS.

And if you can do that, seemingly without remorse, YOU can do just about anything to avoid the abandenment of your worldview.

Right, Mario?
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1 reply
Oh, and Mario: if your argumentation is reduced to nothing more than accusations and Ad Hominems, then you've essentailly lost the debate.
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1 reply
1 up, 5y,
1 reply
Again you're not showing me how I'm doing it.

Now PROVE TO ME, that your interpretation of Romans 13:1-4 & 1 Petrer 2:15-16 is correct.
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