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You don't want a clown in charge of your national security | SO, HE IS PULLING AMERICAS TROOPS OUT AND LETTING IRAN HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS? CAN IT REALLY BE THIS EASY? | image tagged in memes,politics,taliban,maga,impeach trump,too late | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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trump pulling out of the the JCOA was absolutely a blunder.
does this equate to "letting" iran develop nuclear weapons?
no,and to suggest as much reveals a staggering ignorance of the situation in regards to iran.

"he's pulling American troops out".
I can only assume you are referring to the current Afghanistan withdrawal.
which,if you had dug further,would understand is not a withdrawal at all,but a drawing down,and taken in context ,s a pretty limp dicked,flaccid move considering 10,000 troops shall remain.

also considering that the Taliban controls more of Afghanistan than when we entered 18 f**king years ago....the entire enterprise has been an absolute and utter failure to achieve any of the fluid "goals" the DOD set up,and changed,and set up,and changed,and set up....

this human terror machine is the fault,and guilt,of all our commanders starting with bush,which Obama continued (and amplified) and now is in the lap of trump.
who,i suspect,will do the exact same thing he has done in both Syria and yemen.

give lip service for political points,and then quietly ramp it back up (or veto) when nobody is paying attention.

this is all non-controversial and well understood.
unless you watch corporate media.
in that case....
making tenuous connections based on corporate media rhetoric will produced an extremely flawed and biased conclusion.

see:your meme
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Iran just did announce it now intended to resume it's nuke program, and this as a direct result of Trump refusing to resign. His saber rattling sure helped, aggression of the type which is a big reason why they wanted nukes in the first place.

Trump did want to grant an audience to the Taliban now and in Camp David no less. Sheesh, might as well given them a personal tour of Ground Zero and given them the keys to NY City on 9/11.

While he has been already approaching them for some sort of power sharing deal or whatnot with the limping official gov't of Afganistan, dealing with them at any level for the purposes of essentially legitimizing them is hardly what we've been there to do. Sharing anything with that lot makes sense on what level? The Taliban is not some baccillus of whose more virulent strains can be made less so by seating them at the adults' table. The Taliban IS the Taliban - a religious school adhering to the strictest and most backward teachings of Islam.

They are not going to go Taliban light. Like how, citirc acid on schoolgirl faces instead of battery? Women can go outside their homes on Tuesdays? Elections will be allowed and for non-Wahabi candidates as well? Kabul will be their Vegas? They'll sign a treaty promising not to attempt to take over Pakistan (their benfactor) and majority Shiite Iran? Heck, Iran has 77 million people to spare, liberate the minority Sunnis.

Trump had the right idea - cut off aid to Pakistan - a substantial portion of which is funneled into the Taliban, whose HQ is IN Pakistan. But then they'd go hungry and do something desperate like invade Jammu & Kashmir, and before you know it them and India will be nuking each other because fallout flavored curry for generations to come is pretty awesome. But we can't have that because the pics on the cover of National Geographic will be sad so we have to keep indirectly funding the terrorists we fight which of course our dedicated privatized military industrial complex would thus feel soooooooooo burdened to keep doing their thang and yadda yadda yadda...
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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran on Saturday said it now uses arrays of advanced centrifuges prohibited by its 2015 nuclear deal and can enrich uranium “much more beyond” current levels to weapons-grade material, taking a third step away from the accord while warning Europe has little time to offer it new terms.
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Same difference...

Heard something the other day about resumption while I was busy in the kitchen, but a couple of searches turned up nothing other than their leader calling for it earlier this year...

Sooooooooo......... what I said has no support I can find to post.
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from that I understand,and the situation is pretty complex.

iran has been honoring the JCPOA even after trump tore it up.
mainly due to it's European trading partners.germany,france, etc etc.

according to the JCPOA.iran had to close down all gas centrifuge sites besides one.
they were not allowed to enrich further than 3.6%.
this was to be in effect for 13-15 (iirc) and is why republicans were calling the JCPOA a "failure",which is utter no nonsense.just like they cringe fainted over Obama "giving iran money",conveniently ignoring the fact that it was irans money we were handing back to them.

although they have 2 plants that require 5.0%
I do know that like a month ago iran stated they were upgrading their enrichment faciltity to enrich up to 20%,and a lot of media freaked out,but nuclear grade uranium requires a 90% purity.

which is what it appears the media has latched onto for maximum freak out.see:manhattans quote of "much more beyond"

and people who are reading this thread need to understand,i am not defending iran.what I am doing is keeping the discussion honest.

the power struggle in the middle east is:iran vs Saudi arabia
with isreal pushing hard for war in iran.
US military intelligence has already written paper after paper how engaging with iran would be devastating to our control and influence in the region,and could quite possible end our supremacy in the region.

trump firing of Bolton was probably the best decision I have seen him make thus far.

now iran is willing to talk,but only if trump lifts the sanctions,which are crippling the Iranian economy.(which explains the saber rattling).
trump offered a loan if 15 billion,but iran refused,they want sanctions lifted.
and their argument is that they have been in compliance.

it looks like trump is going to have to do a "fix boltons f**k ups" tour.

and isreal is sad..they will miss their little chickenhawk buddy.
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20%,and a lot of media freaked out,but nuclear grade uranium requires a 90%""" The leap to 20% is tough, from 20 to 90 not so much.

https://www.apnews.com/7e896f8a1b0c40769b54ed4f98a0f5e6
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also form your article:
“So far, Iran has showed patience before the U.S. pressures and Europeans’ indifference,” said Qassem Babaei *iran has held a defensive position for decades*

While Kamalvandi stressed that “the Islamic Republic is not after the bomb,” he warned that Iran was running out of ways to stay in the accord.

*it was france who offered the loan.not trump.my bad.i don't have a google page open when I comment.all from memory baby!

Kamalvandi also said Iran would allow U.N. inspectors to continue to monitor sites in the country. A top official from the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency was expected to meet with Iranian officials in Tehran on Sunday. *allowing an open invite to inspectors? what are those evil Iranians planning?

The IAEA said Saturday it was aware of Iran’s announcement and “agency inspectors are on the ground in Iran and they will report any relevant activities to IAEA headquarters in Vienna.” *oh look,inspectors are already there!

so I am unsure what your goals are here.
because the article is pretty clear that while tensions are high,and there is activity,it does not make the claim that iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program.

there is saber rattling..for sure..but that is expected.
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https://www.memri.org/tv/jazeera-debate-drone-stikes-abqaiq-khurais-oil-fields-impressive-failure-patriot-systems-uae-vulnerable-infrastructure-paralyze
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not really interested in propaganda,nor america's affinity for jingoisms and slogans.

iran is not innocent,and I am not making that case.
proxy wars in both Syria and yemen.
their blood feud with isreal and antagonism towards Saudi arabia (justified in my opinion).

and you are correct,things can most certainly escalate quickly.
but not for the reasons most americans may think.

our standings in the region have been severely diminished.
Iraq/Afghanistan wars have been failures.

both Syria and the 3 recent coup attempts in Venezuela have shown the world that the US no longer has the iron grip of empire it once did.

Russia and china have been slowly converting to trade in their own currency,dumping the federal reserve as the global currency for their own in order to trade.

trump demanding that germany not trade with Russia for natural gas,and merkel telling trump to shove it up his ass.

ok ok..not gonna bore you with a list I could spend hours posting.

the main contributing factor,in my opinion,is trump.
while domestically his supporters rally to his side and cheer his audacious obnoxious tweets as somehow being "bold and honest".his nativism and hyper-nationalism as being praiseworthy and a breath of fresh air.

what these supporters fail to even notice,is how the rest of the world sees trump,and his unpredictability that his supporters so love...is a liability.
the rest of the world is moving away from trumps unilateralism,and engaging with each other.sometimes even shutting America out of the discussion.

now trump firing Bolton was a smart decision,but it may have come a little bit late.

the tinder is in place,and we put it there.
the middle east is on fire,and we torched it.
all it will take is one...small...push.

so I agree with you that things may escalate quickly.
all the pieces are in place.

I am hoping calmer heads will prevail,and iran has been playing things pretty savvy thus far.let's hope trump can step up to the plate and undo much of boltons f**king mess.

that's my .02 anyways.

if you want to see iran as the instigator,or somehow evil.
that is your choice.
70 years of history disagrees with you.
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have been making hay about this.
can't blame folks for biting.

the situation is complicated,as things usually are,but the media does love a simple narrative.

if I came off shitty,i apologize.
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Somebody's a warmonger. What happened to peace and love
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Some people one can not make peace with... like the Taliban and "proud boys"
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And a hypocrite muslim
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Didn't want his men to hang wig prostitutes but had many himself
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irony being in 60+ years, never eva been with a "professional"
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Hmm you have a point
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Holy f**k, you're retarded.
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Pathetic level z propaganda. What does that have to do with the proud boys?
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Gee, what? The leader of the proud boys is a Latino. I don't even care about them but I've never seen you critize domestic terrorists antifa.

But just like AOC, everyone that antifa fights are muh white supreemists, right? Except when they fight themselves...
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You dont get it do you? Its a fight against an ideology, not a race, not a color, an 'ideology' it just happens that nationalists tend to be white but not exclusively so, dont care what color you are, if you are a go***amn moron who has not figured out you live on a space ship with all of us, and think you are better for some reason... then we gonna fight
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antifa started in the 1930's
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Anything this antif*g won't lie about?
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antifa is the only fascist left in america except for a bout 3k klan knuckleheads down south .
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You're right. For Trump to say there were good people on antif*g's side, he was WAY over the line defending scum like that.
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No commies, no Hitler
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But but bu... They MADE us be violent, piss bottle throwing, elderly bashing shithead domestic terrorists!!!!!!!!

F**k antifa and their commie shithead supporters.
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LOL NOW you're thinking, ol' guy. Had there been no commie or antifa scum fighting in the streets of Germany, National Socialism may have never took off. But keep 'fighting' 'fascists'. Just pay no mind to those you create.
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2 sides of the same coin
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SO, HE IS PULLING AMERICAS TROOPS OUT AND LETTING IRAN HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS? CAN IT REALLY BE THIS EASY?