If You Ask Me (Dog)

Protestant here, but we have the same goals right? It seems to me that confession takes away a personal aspect of your relationship with Jesus, why not confess to Jesus himself as opposed to confessing to a priest to have them present your sins to Jesus? I may be completely ignorant and sound like an idiot, but that's why I'm asking.

As any good teacher would say "the only stupid question is the one left unasked" at least that's my motto, lol. I'm so glad you asked! It does make more sense to go directly to Jesus and that's what we are encouraged to do also. But the Church recognises that we humans also like to have an outward sign of the spiritual realities sometimes. And that's what the 7 Sacraments are. I'm sure at one point you were baptised after you accepted the Lord. But why? Couldn't you have just kept it between you and Jesus and left it at that? Or how about when you got married? Couldn't you and your girlfriend just said to eachother you're my husband/wife now and left it at that? I'm betting you probably had a wedding. So confession is an outward sign of our bringing our failings to God (represented by the priest) and He forgiving us (represented by the words of absolution) in John chapter 20 after the resurrection Jesus breathed on the Apostles and said " recieve the Holy Spirit, who's sins you forgive are forgiven them, and who's sins you retain are retained." We believe the Lord was entrusting the priesthood on the Apostles at that moment and gave them the power to heal and forgive sins as God's representatives. I hope that helps! Keep the great questions coming! Peace. :)

Oh and my meme above is purely tongue in cheek. Priests go to confession to other priests just like any normal person. Even the Pope himself does!

Why did you make a Jesuit a Pope?

Well a Pope is elected by all the cardinals of the world when they convene in Rome when the seat of Pope becomes vacant. I'm not a fan of the present pope. But good thing my tastes don't determine major decisions in the church, lol

No, actually your taste would be better.

I'd like to jump in here, if you don't mind; if you were a Catholic, why wouldn't you want to have a Jesuit?

Jesuits came into, as a response to the growing Protestant movement. They led the Counter-Reformation movement as the church's Apologists, as well as to bring back those who've strayed from the Roman chuch.

They also smashed children's heads against trees. Check out their oath, if you can find it.

This Pope is so subversive, I wouldn't doubt if he used blackmail over sexual abuse to get in.

Not sure where the smashing heads came from?

Just to be clear, although I have criticisms of the organisation, I believe there will be more Catholics in heaven then any other faith. You've been numerous :)

I'm not sure about that. I think there will be a fair share of people of all faiths in heaven, Muslims, buddhist even Athiest because they will know the truth once they die. CAtholics are still human and make mistakes. But I do think we have an edge in the 7 sacraments, the Eucharist, the example of the Saints , so that gives us a boost other faiths don't have.

I just said more, not only. Catholics have always probably been the most numerous Christian faith. I guess paying for remission of sin helps too :P

On what grounds are the Buddhists, Muslims, Atheists, and others, going to heaven?

At the moment of death each soul is given a choice to reject or accept God. He provides every opportunity in this earth but I also believe at the moment of death to know Him. He is merciful and only wills that all souls will be with him. Did Jesus die only for those who believe in him? Or can His sacrifice also aid those who may not be told the Truth but desire to know it and seek it out? There is a difference between someone who rejects truth and someone who has not yet found it.

It is possible that the unbelieving can change their minds before they die; but the motivations vto believe would likely due to the fear of damnation more than sincere desire to convert (Matthew 13:18-23). This is mostly true with Atheists more than those believing in other gods.

As for ignorance, maybe God would not hold their ignorance against them, but at the same time, false religion can be used to damn them becaue of their refusal to believe (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).

You must remember that because we have Adamic Sin, we posses a Carnal Mind. We cannot believe because we do not want to. Still, like the Jews after resurrection, I believe cricumstances can drive one to override natural aversion to God, into believing (Romans 11;11-12).

I think you have been pretty respectful in fact. But since the discussion is not in keeping with the original intent of the meme (to ask a question of a Catholic to explain a Catholic belief) I think it would be wise to discuss elsewhere. I appreciate your understanding. How would you like to moderate a World Religions Discussion Stream with me?

Yes. the subject we've engaged in veered off wildly from the intent and purpose of the meme.

Yes, I'll accept the Moderatorship of the new Stream.

Because there isn't enough head bashing & trolling in politics?

To answer your question below Please see the stream rules. We are not here to bash Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews or any religions. Feel free to continue the discussion on your own memes.

If you feel that we've tresspassed, we apologize. I know that I've not been very gentile with the two recent visitors.

We'll move out.

You're welcome. The rules are fair and perfectly reasonable. With that said, do we have the ability to eject someone from the stream?

Another thing, have you intended to use the word "Word" rather than "World" in the title of the stream?

Ah you're right I misspelled. Meant to put World Hold on I'll need to make it over. I can't change the title.

It was in their oath. You used to be able to find it online in the library of congress but they removed it a few years ago. http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

hmm, maybe you should research more into Alberto Rivera who's testimony is dubious given actual events in his life. I think he may have been mentally ill at best and at worst just really angry with the Church and wanting to take it out by spreading downright lies. The Catholic church would have never approved of such a vow, looks more like something an extreme Muslim terrorist would vow though.

People use to be killed for merely owning a Bible. I can't remember the names but there were people that use to memorize the Bible.

Catholics killed people for owning a Bible? Well that's a new one. The reason many people memorized the Bible in past centuries was because literacy was low, the couldn't read it. Also before Guttenburg invented the printing press in 1440 the Bible was not commonly available because each copy had to be written by hand so it was very time consuming and costly, not something many common people could afford. The Bible was always made available in Churches for people to refer to. I find it hard to believe a reliable source would claim we killed people for reading the Bible.

The Church wanted to be the interpreters of the Bible. People that thought differently were heretics. Latin is still used alot, right?

Show me a reliable source (not from a nutcase like Rivera) where Catholics killed people for reading the Bible. You do know that it was the Catholic Church who first set canon of the Bible right? Meaning we determined which books would be included and it was the Protestants who took some out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale

I think this may have been one of the groups I was talking of

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars

Latin is not used as much since the Second Vatican Council although many prayers are in Latin it's not like the Muslims who make everyone read and memorize the Koran in Arabic .

So you pray to words you don't know or are they explained to you? Latin is a beautiful language, no doubt.

there are English translations for everything. Most people pray in their native language. Some churches like mine still do the old Latin Mass. There are books with translations. Latin (and greek) is the root of english as well as all the romance languages.

Actually English is Germanic in roots, from the Teutonic branch of Indo-European.
Half IS Latin via later introductions from the invading Romans or later via French speaking Normans with that invasion.

No disrespect to you, but Wiki is about the least reliable Internet source out there since anyone and everyone can submit content that's not fact checked or edited. I could very well link you someone's Facebook profile to defend my answer. I want real sources from historians both Catholic and non Catholic.

Okay, you're getting touchy. We were just having some light and airy conversation...

Lol. Sorry didn't mean to sound touchy but I guess you might react the same if I were to dig up random documents accusing your church of hate crimes. I'm not denying the Catholic Church has and will continue to make mistakes because we'll it's full of sinful human beings as every religion on this earth is. So dirt could be dug up on any church really. I'm all to willing to discuss but I just like seeing sources other than Wiki. I hope we're still friends. :)

I might forgive you if you throw 50 Hail Mary's. Without a helmet.

HI Kate; your meme here has become a battlefield. Would you like us to move out?

Not since Vatican II, but some want to bring it back, at least some, Pope Francis too if I got that right.

Pope Francis actually has said those who attend the old Latin Mass are "too rigid" lol.

OOps, scrolling down I see Kate already addressed the Latin in Mass thing

I should keep quiet.

I can tell the World Religions Discussion Stream will go smoooooooooothly......

It has so far ; )

Believe me when I say that I oppose the Roman Catholic church as much as you do, on the grounds of the 5 Solas, but I must say that both sides committed atrocities against one another.

I will say that the Catholics were the first to commit it with the St. Bartholomew Massacre, but slaying who they consider Infidels and Heretics, were the unfortunate norm, even with the Protestants... like John Calvin executing 40 i think, in the city of Geneva, and the Salem Witch trials.

Why is it such a norm is because both sides did the view of themselves as the "New Israelis".

Thus, they continued the practices given to the Jews by God to stone Witches, Blasphemers, Adulterers, etc, all the while, forgetting the fact that Jesus spared the adulterous woman in John 8, the fact that Simon the Sorcerer was also not stoned in Acts 8, and that the only execution that have occured in the NT, was the slaying of Saphira and Annanias in Acts 5... by the hand of God, alone.

Remember also that after the St, Bartholomew Massacre, was the 30 Years War between the Protestants and Catholics... you can imagine what they did to each other, but maybe short of massacring each other as seen in the conquest of Canaan.

That war lasted for 30 years, but thankfully it was only half of that war was religious while the rest were led by states either desirous of independance of the Holy Roman Empire, or states wishing to preserve it, while both sides also wants more territory for themselves.

Although I love history, it bothers me that there was so much hatred between Christians, so I haven't read much on the religious wars. Very nice posts, thanks for responding.

I'm sorry, one more clarification (I know I've written much, I apologize for that). The rise of antisemitism in Europe, currently, is not so much a religious influence as much as it is secular... although the "Old Catholics" who've rejected the 2nd Vatican Council in their apology to the Jewish people, remained antisemitic.

This is, in my opinion, is due to the rise in the belief of conspiracy theories. You have your anti-gloibalist movements (not all), your far-right movements (not all), and those who've taken their hatred for alleged mistreatment of Palestinians at the hands of the Israelis too far.

I'm one of those "Old Catholics" because I attend the Latin Mass and I don't entirely agree with the route the modern church has taken although I will defend her to the death. I have yet to see any anti semitism in our prayers, liturgy or writings. Please clarify start you mean by "apology to the Jewish people " thanks!

Old Catholics are ones who've rejected the 2nd Vatican council. Not necessarily ones who sitll observed the Mass in Latin.

Apology I mean, in the 1960's and/or 80's, the Pope apologized for all the atrocities committed in the name of the church, which included antisemitism. Antisemitism was the reason for the torture, forced conversion, expulsion, and death of the Jews in Spain during the 15th century. the temples of Shepardic Jews were evidence of this, as they're worship halls or temples were lower than 2nd store buildings because they were forbidden to have taller ones.

Other examples of this is the periodic massacres done by local people. such as the massacre after the notorious Black Plague. Was it a church policy, I don't know, but antisemitism was common then.

Much of my sources are from documentaries I've watched, learned in class, but mainly from Aish.com, a Jewish site.

Here, the Inqusition: https://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48951681.html

There, the Black Death: https://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48951681.html

And finally, Blood Libel: https://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48951151.html

They're not partisan from what i can tell; they criticised both Catholics and Protestants: https://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48954141.html

And it wasn't necessarily hatred. I do believe some commited horrible acts because they truly believed they were saving their souls.

You would be right in saying that. Because they believed themselves as the New Israelites, they've felt it only right to cleanse the land of sin ascribed in the OT.

The Muslims were seen as barbaric infidels and so massacred them during the 1st and 2nd Crusades when the walls fell, particularly in Jerusalem, Jews in the meanwhile were the most hated, because they continued to deny Christ as also guilty of "Deicide". The lack of literacy among the Eurpeans also caused them to be superstitious.

Xenaphovia was not uncommon then, and so whatever befell them, they blamed the Jews. This is called "Blood Libel"; the scapegoating of the Jewish people even to accuse them of torturiung the Eucharist, and drinking the blood of Christian babies.

I don't know when it began, but Zionist Conspiracy was rife among them, as they accused the Jews of a glovbal conspiracy which fits nicely with Blood Libel. If the wells are poisoned, it must be the Jews. If they lost battles, it must be the Jews, they control banks and sit in high places.

Toiday, I can tell you thqat it is really not that bad anymore... except that antisemitism is growing again un Europe.

*their victim's souls

To be fair to the Crusaders, they were already brutalized by the time they've reached the first fortifications in what is now Turkey. Poor planning in logistics caused them to go hungry so they went about pillaging where ever they went. They did so very brutally in Constantinople

When they entered into the Middle East they were hungry, thirsty, unprepared for the arid environment, and when besigning the Muslims, losing more of their number. getting more and more desparate, they were filled with blood-lust. What they did to the Muslims soldiers there, perhaops also the civilians, was also done in Jerusalem (and probably even more so as they were harassed consstantly by Muslim archers on horseback).

My explanatoin doesn't justify what they've done, but one must remember their state of mind in the circumstances they were in. Maybe they would treat the surrendered Muslims properly, but the Pople told them what the Muslims did to Christians in the Holy Land.

According to the Pople, the Muslims invaded the land (which is true), treated Christians unkindly (I'm not sure the details, but I imagine enough to motivate them), but all in an effort to not only to liberate the Christian land, but to stop European rulers from fighting each other, through a worthy cause.

Kate's gone for a week or so. I wouldn't worry about it.

I was just checking on this stream.

OK, thank you for letting me know. How are you doing, SydneyB?

Okay, I stand corrected.

I'm not too bad, thank you. How about yourself? How's Lacey doing? She get some help?

She's on a overnight "vacation"

I haven't asked her yet. I wanted to give her some space because of my continuous dialogue with her. For that reason I've said to her that I'll come back and ask her at the near end of next week. As for me, I'm fine as well.

The crusades, the inquisition etc. though historical events are most often exaggerated in their descriptions. I have no doubt that good intentions sometimes went awry and innocent people suffered as a result of evil that can enter any human heart. Back when there was no separation of church and state The Papacy was not only defending religion it was defending the land from invadors or fighting for what was theirs. Context is important. Currently the Church has denounced any acts of violence others may have suffered at the hands of over zealous Catholics who truly did not love out the Godpel. Thanks for discussing. :)

You're welcome. :)

I liked this book of historical fiction. Took a real story and fleshed it out

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1140539.Booke_of_Days

Satisfy my curiosity, do you believe in Vatican/Jesuit Conspiracy?

I believe that in any Christian denomination, there are people only in it to subvert it, mine included.

To divide the church or spread false doctrine, yes (Galatians 2:1-3 & Titus 1:9-11). But not in the way you're alleging the Jesiuts are doing.

I wouldn't put anything past Jesuits. They were a political/military arm but I'm no expert. But they wielded real power. Like I said, I think the current one got in by blackmail.

So are you one who believed in Vatican/Jesuit conspiracy?

I don't know all the details.

Brother, you speak like you do. I think it is safe to say that you heavily influenced by them which is bad. Are you also KJV Only? Or a listener of Steven Anderson?

I'm not sure where you're coming from. I read the NKJV. What are you trying to say, brother?

If you are influenced by the Conspiracy theorists, what other sources influenced you?

there's a certain Baptist camp, who do share the right gospel, but believe in doctrines that in my opinion are divisive, and some crazy. the KJV Only group believes that only the KJV is an inspired English while the rest are made by devils.

Others of the same camp not only believes that much in the KJV, but also beleive that the Vatican, through the Jesuits, are out to destory Christianity, kill Christians and enslave them. They also believe that the Pope conspires to secretly take over the world.

Basically, this is the religious version of NWO Conspiracy, and the Zionist Conspiracy. All three has the same basic narrative of a clandestine and secreti evil Octopus spreading it's tentacles to controll and destroy, to take the world

To me, this what Christians should not be engaged in. As much as it sounds to you in terms of relevance, it has nothing to do with the Gospel.

It may claim that such entities threatens its existence, but really, how will that aid in reaching the lost? How will that also defend it and the fundamental doctrines of the faith?

the Bible warns us of the coming apostasy, the coming persecution of the church, the Tribiulation period, and the antiChrist, but why didn't God, through scripture, warns us about the shadowy world entity?

Because they don't exist.

This is an example of what Paul warn us about when he told us not to engage in "False Science, so-called" (1 Timothy 6:20). Believing in UFO conspiracy for example, not only makes you look like a fool (Tin Foil Hat Much?), but it waste valuable time of yours because you're so intrigued by what you read from them, and so invested in trying to stop

All that time could have bee spent on mastering the Gospel message, knowing the fundamentals of your faith in not just knowing what they are, but being able to defend them scripturally, as well as to share the Gospel with the Lost.

So many who believed in that utter, yellow-journalistic rubbish, could have been "Redeeming the time" but what are you doing instead? Warning people of the Illuminati, wearing Tin Foil hats, and checking their beds if there are any Jewish Mossad agent underneath.

I'm sorry, "They", not "You".

They were also promised remission of sin, which made them even more uncaring.

I love their founder ( named one of my sons after him) and they indeed did great things in the peak of their missionary work. But I think pride made its way into the hearts of many leaders in that order and they started going the way of the world in recent decades.

Mmm, the sad reality of human rulership.

Has anyone is the protestant church become so corrupt with power that they did regrettable things?

We don't have a heiarchy, so I don't know of any famous instances, but there have certainly been cases of Pastors abusing their power. One most famously with Westboro Baptists as the Pastor behaived like an abusive cult-leader.

Other instances was the Acts 29 movememnt. One example is the mistreatment of two members of a particular church I could not remember, but it was an example of church abuse. Another, pastored by Matt Chandler, was too harsh and demanding of certain members. He has since apologized for it, and continued to be one of the most respected in the Reformed movement for which I'm part.

For the rest, sex scandals, child molestation, etc, were done by pastors to elders, but how frequenlty, I don't know. One thing is certain, men are fallible and it is not because there was a doctrinal and ecclesiastical allowance of it unlike the Fundamentalist LDS, and other cuilts like them.

We can't block anyone from a stream but we can delete inappropriate memes or comments. All submissions must be approved by the moderators before they post. I make it world religions to include all beliefs, even non Christian ones such as Jewish or Muslim, or atheists. Those not believing in the Bible as well as all Christians.

I see.

Here's your imgflip tip for the day. Be sure to upvote any meme you comment or comments you reply too.it's good manners here :)

Sigh... that is the notion I'll find hard always to accept. there's nothng at all wrong with your posts, I feel that Upvotes must be earned (If I like it, or the point was valid, I'll upvbote it), not gained because "Well I upvoted yours so you got to upvote mine".

Nevertheless, I suppose I must comply. It's the norm here.

No its more like acknowledging the post. For me at least I don't care about points.

I'll trust you on that account; and passed accounts, but not so much most. There's no denying that Upvoting adds to score. And for me, simply responding to posts is acknowledgement enough.

Fair enough. Just warning you some some people seem to make upvotes their living and will give you grief, lol.

Yes... one guy did, and I nearly tore into that person. That person used the Golden Rule as the reason why I must upvote his/her (I felt s/he was using my faith to his/her advantage).

[image deleted]Go ahead and approve the meme I submitted ( provided I followed the rules;) good practice since I won't often be on to check, plus you even have to approve your own posts. Go to your profile click "my streams" click pending approvals, or the blue approval button.

Done.

The Jesuits were sick f**ks. Their headquarters in Rome has a statue called “Triumph over heresy” depicting Martin Luther and John Calvin being sent to hell for heresy, when the Catholics were the ones who replaced the second commandment by splitting the tenth. The Jesuits were responsible for having murdered 50 MILLION PROTESTANTS, yet I never hear about Protestant anarchist groups trying to seek revenge upon Catholics!

SATAN AND FALSE SCIENCE SO-CALLED
And one other thing. Why would Satan want to prop up evil Octopuses when his aim, is to send people to Hell with Him (Genesis 3:1-5,, Job 1:6-9, 1 Peter 5:8, Rev. 12:10)?

It helps Satan in that Christians are destroyed, but the aim of the Illuminati, Jesuit, Zionists, etc, is to take over the world, Isn't that the stated aim, according to Conspiracy theorists? And not send people to Hell? We now have a conflict don't we?

No where in scripture did it say that He will prop up such entities but instread, prop up FALSE TEACHERS (2 Corinthians 11:13-15), in orderr to do what? Deceive them (2 Corinthians 4;3-4).

His is not so much to destroy the church and humanity physiclally but as he is, SPIRITUALLY. Thus, his real target is THE GOSPEL. Not people, but the Gospel (2 Timothy 4:34)!

And right now he did a marvelous job with YOU, Why? Because through Conpiracy theories, he DISTRACTED YOU from what really matters, which is whty the Bible says:

"O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:" - 1 Timothy 6:20

He distracted ME from what the Bible says?! The entire Vatican Conspiracy is based on chapters 2 & 7 in Daniel and chapter 13 of Revelation, along with the collection of other wicked acts performed by the Catholic Church! How can you possibly trust a pope who claims to be on equal level with God, yet you blindly accuse my conspiracy theories of being Satanic simply because “…he distracted [me] from the gospel.”!

OK, 1st, you have the two legs, the eastern church and the western church; how do you know that the little horn is the Pope?

2nd, if the western church is headed by the Pope, who's leading the eastern church? The Pope by proxy? the Prophecy had never said that the legs are joined together so how can it be the Pope?

3rd, the Beast mentioned in Daniel 7, how do you know that that creature is not the Roman Empire?

4th, the Beast mentioned in Revelations 13, how do you know that's the Pope, and the Pope is the antichrist when the beast mentioned is more of a secular personality which the ten rulers gave him authority (13:1-4, 17:12), while the Beast that followed him is much more religious, enticing the people to worship the first Beast (13:11:14)?

The stuff about the Greek Orthodox Church was a little too minor to be worthy of an analogy, here. Whom else besides the Catholic Church can possible have even half of the 11 identifying marks? The beast was Rome, and the little horn was the both the Popery and the Pope. That was obviously a strawman!

Mario, I think you're spinning your way out. there are the two legs representing the divided empire of Rome. and you said that the by the Roman Catholic church is that leg, which therefore credifys the Pope being that little Horn..

If you're right about that, then why aren't the two feet joined together as the 10 kings support the Pope as the antiChrist?

The legs were never mentioned. The horns were the main focus. The Greeks were represented by the jaguar.

You've read the whole chapter, right?

The Beast seated where did what with the religion of the Chosen leading it to be and do what in the World?

Where did you get that number? Is it the total amount since the 16th century? Or is it the total number of martyrs killed all over the world which you've read in ""?

You do know thatr both sides have commited atrocities since the St. Bartholomew Massacre, right? Particularly in the 30 Years War? Did you also know that Martin Luther became a vicious supporter of antisemitisim years after the 95 Theses? Did you also know that John Calvin executed a number of people within Geneva, including Servitus? That we've been persecuting each other which is why the Puritans moved to America? And that the KKK, most members being Protestants, persecuted Catholics and Black Protestants?

And the statue of Luther and Calvin being sent to hell? What did you expect? they believed that our founders are damnable heretic who've preached a different Gospel and have forever ruined the unity of the church. I'm sure that the corrupted in the Vatican applaud such a spectacle but what about the Laity and the Clergy of the lower orders?

Now I'm against the Roman Catholic church as you are, because they preach another Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9), as they also support practices that are pagan in origin. But assuming that they've killled that many, doesn't make the conspiracy theory true.

The 50 million Protestants were killed by Catholics in Europe simply because they were Protestants. Every instance you speak of involving Protestants killing Catholics doesn’t even come close to 50 million.

Martin Luther and John Calvin May not have been perfect, and maybe they were even serial killers, but translating the Bible into German and writing the 95 Theses greatly outweighs those lives killed. The Founding Fathers also owned slaves. And unlike the popes, Martin Luther & John Calvin didn’t preach self-infallibility. And guess what?! NOT ONLY WAS HITLER WAS A CATHOLIC, BUT THE VATICAN SUPPORTED THE THIRD REICH! Think about it. The Nazis, just like the Catholics, killed Jews, capitalists, minarchists (not to be confused with monarchists), anarchists, & blacks (the Catholic Church enslaved blacks, which is close enough), and sought globalism in favor of universal purity.

You're right that they're not perfect, but you're missing the point. BOTH sides were doing it to each other, and also, the Catholics didn't kill Protestants becauese they were Protestants. that's how the Jews were persecuted and killed because it was claimed that the "Jews killed Christians because they were Christians". .

Here's a purely biblical reason why Christians are killed:

2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. - John 16:2

Christians are killled all over the world because they were seen as evil; beginnning with the Roman Empire in which they were killed because they refused to declare Caesar is Lord (an act of treason), and wouldn't make what the average Romans believed, necessary sacrifices, to ensure that the gods and goddesses continue to bless Rome with food, security, and victories.

Now here's another commonality with Conspiracy Theories; the evil entities that threaten to take over the world is painted as a Cartoonish Villain who's ambition is to cause death and destruction because they can, and do so for the sake of it.

This is a classic trick of Yellow Journalism; sensationalize story which includes painting the Blacks in America as **pists huning for white women, Germans in WWI as the Huns going about **ping women, the Americans as lazy and immoral people by the Japanese, and the Japanese in WWII as the buck-tooth murderous savages by the Amerians. All these paint the other as the most evil entitiy in the world and if not stopped would conquer and enslave it.

Seev that commoinality with your own? So would you believe scripture, or your version of whatg i call, Yellow Journalism?.

The difference between my conspiracy theories and yellow journalism is that the former have proof. Catholics caused destruction because they wanted everyone to have the same religion. Sure, maybe no religion has a perfect history, but Catholicism’s history managed to be perfectly evil in pretty much every way possible, with biblical proof predicting its existence as the Antichrist. And even today, it’s denying everyone of basic sexual freedom, like the right to masturbate and use contraception.

Please see the stream rules. We are not here to bash Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews or any religions. Feel free to continue the discussion on your own memes.

I was just debating with him. If you’re afraid of getting your religion exposed, it’s because you have something to hide.

Lol. I don't have a single thing to hide my friend (why the title of the original meme above is "ask me anything" 2 anti- catholic individuals arguing about conspiracy theories is hardly a debate. If there is something you want to know the meme said to ask.

Here’s my source for the number: http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/secret-history-catholic-church.html

I didn't see 50 Mil on your source but what did see is a quotatoin, allegedly from Alexander Cambell, stated that

"fifty to sixty-eight millions of human beings died, suffered torture, lost their possessions, or were otherwise devoured by the Roman Catholic Church"

Mark, that's the ENTIRE population of Europe in the 15th century during the awful years of the Inquisition(1)! Your source is SUSPECT sir. As are the rest of Conpsiracy Peddlers who pulls sources from the air, exaggerate numbers, engages in Hearsay, and uses nobodys as if they're from the inside.

1. https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/pop-in-eur.asp

These Protestants killed could’ve also lived in the Americas.

Because he and the other popes are the antichrist.

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A
R
I = 1
U (V) = 5
S

F
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1

D = 500
E
I = 1

5 + 1 + 100 + 1 + 5 + 1 + 50 + 1 + 1 + 500 + 1 = 666!

Why are there no numbers for A,R,S,F and E?

Because they’re not Roman numerals!

Alot of mental gymnastics to prove absolutely nothing. I could type in literally any religion I wanted on you tube even Judaism or Seventh Day adventist and find conspiracy theories about all of them. It sure doesn't make it true. Give me reputed and reliable sources for all your claims including the idea that Catholics "changed the 10 Commandments" and I will gladly discuss with you.

I already said that the tenth was split to remove the second. And the second is the one that the Popery violates the most, since the pope and the saints are idols.

Back when I was still Catholic, I had to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify disagreeing with pretty much everything about Papism.

Now your argument about how one can make conspiracy theories about any faith is very interesting. What makes Papism different from any other faith is that Vatican City is its own country, the Bible references the Popery as the Antichrist, it was adopted by the Romans (who were originally opposed to Christianity, so they must’ve watered it down), and Papism is the religion that has killed the most people.

Vicar Son of God? Add a few numbers and it means the pope is the devil? ROTFL. wow.

Numerology, yes, that's a sure way of finding out who's who, other than Sola Scriptura. Mark, you can turn anyone into an antiChrist if you change the order for which it is based.

Now this certainly fits it seemed but what is it based on? Latin has 20 vocabulary instead of 26 in English. Place a number on each letter and the result does come as 666 now does it? So how did you get such a resuilt of you didn't add something into the formula that ensures that the Pope is the antiChrist?

You don’t get it, do you?! Have you ever heard of Roman numerals?! This can’t be a coincidence!

Latin, IS Roman, Mark. So you think Roman and Latin are two different languages? One is part of a Romance family of languages like Spanish, Portugees, Latin, French, etc, and the other from Satan?

When did I say that Latin is not Roman? My point was that the Latin word for the pope (Vicarius Filii Dei), when all of the letters are added with the values of their respective Roman numerals, make 666!

"You don’t get it, do you?! Have/ you ever heard of Roman numerals" My mistake, Mark, I apologizel but Roman numerals? So i suppose I, II, III, IV...X is differejnt than 1, 2, 3, 4,... 10 because "IV" is equal to 300 and 4 is just 4?

I didn’t mean combining the numerals; I meant if one was to add each letter as it it was its own number.

Same thing, Mark.

If I = 1 and X = 10, then it still wouldn't add up now would it? Not unless you add to the formula to ensure a desired result. Go ahead and read what I've written, titled "SATAN AND FALSE SCIENCE SO CALLED"

Have a good day.

V = 5
X = 10
C = 100

Do you not read movie credits?

Did you not read mine carefully to notice that I DID... use "V" for 5 and "X" for 10?

Here's what I said to Mario, SydneyB:

""You don’t get it, do you?! Have/ you ever heard of Roman numerals" My mistake, Mark, I apologizel but Roman numerals? So i suppose I, II, III, IV...X is differejnt than 1, 2, 3, 4,... 10 because "IV" is equal to 300 and 4 is just 4?"

IKR, why would I just make up the fact that C = 100?!

You're a good guy,Victor. But that was a message regarding the Roman church. The books of the New Testiment were written in Greek. I'm not sure you get the context.

I'm not saying it proves anything but it clearly adds up to 666 in Roman numerials.

But you're not showing me.... why my result is different than Mario's.

But I can.

I don't get you. I = 1. It does add up to 666. What am I missing? How are numbers being tweaked?

Only if you place Roman numerals instead of letters, Sydney. When you look at my own model of numerology, every letter is represented by a number according how many letters in Roman Alphabet.

Notice, that I've used ONLY the given alphabet to spell the latin title. And what is the sum total of? 159.

Now tell me. why the result you see here, differs from the model given by Mario?

I'm trying to wrap my head around these comments. I thought I stumbled into the wrong calculus class or something, and you believe this nonsense about numbers adding up to make the Pope the AntiChrist? I thought you had more sense than that.

Because the Catholic church was the Roman church. The Bible doesn't say it out loud, but it left people at the time enough to figure it out. There's also a passage that spells it out.

So that... explains why my results differed drastically from Mario's

666 vs 159 with difference of 507?

Yes, only one passage compared to the entire chapters that described the Antichrist! And that one passage was only referring to Christianity in general, not the Popery!

Thank you Uniform for tackling these comments. I am amazed at some people's ignorance really. And you have more patience than me. Imagine you're not even catholic and you see the lengths people will go to make up stuff about anything they don't agree with.

You're welcome, but i have a feeling I'm not anymore patient.

Is it semantics? I make my case towards people that knew Latin and Roman numerials.

No. its a kind oif a bait-n-switch. Look at the model Mario has presented,did it ever occur to you that some "Letters" like C, D. and L is represented by higher numbers than rhe rest?

Mario's
C = 100; D = 500; & L = 50?

If you look at mine, the numbers representing the letters are no where near such given numbers.

Mine
C = 3; D = 4; & L = 11.

That's because who'ever have made that model. REPLACED actual Roman Latin alphabet with Roman numerals so it CAN... add up to 666. The Model is RIGGED.

And you've never questioned how they've arrived to the sum total. All the othe letters were just 1's and you never questioned it.

Because you, as a Conspiracy Believer, so believed the Yellow Journalistic rubbish that anythiing given to you, you instantly believed Without question.

“Now tell me, if there wasn’t some tweaking of numbers to get a biased result, why didn’t this add up to 666?”

Because the system I used is the one traditionally used. There’s nothing arbitrary about it, especially since it was used by the Romans. Besides, G and Y also came later, and K went out of style until centuries later when Germanic languages like English needed to be transliterated with a letter that would, unlike C, always make the K sound.

There is like 3 other phrases that also add to 666. But your example is the best.

Mario, the letters I've used are Latin in the Roman period. http://www.sfu.ca/~ramccall/AncientandmodernLatinalphabet.pdf

Also, whether the letters were added later or not, it still wouldn't add up to 666. Old Latin has 21, so it really makes no difference.

One other thing; the "C" that was on your diagram is 100. Why that much? Is it a special letter used at that time period, or is it actually a Roman numeral which means a 100, that was added there to beef up the sum so the toal would be 666?

I didn’t use a tu quoque nor a red herring in my argument. If you wanna talk about logical fallacies, why not start with your own appeal to authority upon the pope?

"I was just debating with him. If you’re afraid of getting your religion exposed, it’s because you have something to hide."

She's not some enemy agent, she's the HOST and MODERATOR of the stream. Show some respect.

I'm moving our debate else where. imgflip.com/i/39m1el

Out.

It means "You too" argument. while you didn't use it on me, as to say "Well you did it too, so there!" You applied it to the Pope as if that validated your subscription to Yellow Journalism. And by doing that, you're also subverting the attention from you to the Pope. That's called Red Herring

You've never looked up those terms now did you?

I know my logical fallacies!

But the language and the numeric system of its speakers match up so that the word for the pope would add up to 666. And my name is not Mark!

I apologize, Mario; I mean that.

Now let's tackle this notion of 666 on the Papal title.

The Latin alphabet has 23 letters opposed to our 26:
A B C D E F G H I K L M N O P Q R S T V X Y Z

So lets number them:

A(1) B(2) C(3) D(4) E(5) F(6) G(7) H(8) I(9) K(10) L(11) M(12) N(13), O(14) P(15) Q(16) R(17) S(18) T(19) V(20) X(21) Y(22) Z(23)

And now apply them to the infamous title:

V = 20
I = 9
C = 3
A = 1
R = 17
I = 9
U (V) = 20
S = 18

Total: 97

F = 6
I = 9
L = 11
I = 9
I = 9

Total: 44

D = 4
E = 5
I = 9

Total: 18

Total Sum: 159; the difference of 507.

Now tell me, if there wasn't some tweaking of numbers to get a biased result, why didn't this... add up to 666?

Let me give you what I've just told SydneyB, in case you've missed it:

"No. its a kind oif a bait-n-switch. Look at the model Mario has presented,did it ever occur to you that some "Letters" like C, D. and L is represented by higher numbers than rhe rest?

Mario's
C = 100; D = 500; & L = 50?

If you look at mine, the numbers representing the letters are no where near such given numbers.

Mine
C = 3; D = 4; & L = 11.

That's because who'ever have made that model. REPLACED actual Roman Latin alphabet with Roman numerals so it CAN... add up to 666. The Model is RIGGED.

And you've never questioned how they've arrived to the sum total. All the othe letters were just 1's and you never questioned it.

Because you, as a Conspiracy Believer, so believed the Yellow Journalistic rubbish that anythiing given to you, you instantly believed Without question"

Actually, the Popery used yellow journalism to make out Protestants to be heretics. Using Roman numerals is not rigged at all because that was the number system used by the Romans, so it’s not arbitrary nor made-up at all!

Tu Quo Que, and Red Herring, doesn't help you in your argumentation, Mario.

I'm going by Roman numerials, you're going by some arbitrary system. A = 1 What?

All I'm saying is that in Roman numerials, it's 666.

Go and see how I've done it. In fact, I'll paste it here:

"Now let's tackle this notion of 666 on the Papal title.

The Latin alphabet has 23 letters opposed to our 26:
A B C D E F G H I K L M N O P Q R S T V X Y Z

So lets number them:

A(1) B(2) C(3) D(4) E(5) F(6) G(7) H(8) I(9) K(10) L(11) M(12) N(13), O(14) P(15) Q(16) R(17) S(18) T(19) V(20) X(21) Y(22) Z(23)

And now apply them to the infamous title:

V = 20
I = 9
C = 3
A = 1
R = 17
I = 9
U (V) = 20
S = 18

Total: 97

F = 6
I = 9
L = 11
I = 9
I = 9

Total: 44

D = 4
E = 5
I = 9

Total: 18

Total Sum: 159; the difference of 507.

Now tell me, if there wasn't some tweaking of numbers to get a biased result, why didn't this... add up to 666?"

I don't get it. Roman numerials are a system. A=1 is absolutely nothing.

I meant I (followed by) V being 1 + 5 (6, as opposed to 4), for example.

I know. I don't understand his argument.