ISIS Slave Auction

Do you have a citation? Never heard that claim. Who are the slaves?

Idk. Just googled which country practices slavery and India was on the Top, followed by Uzbekistan, China, and Pakistan

The original post was asking her to help clean up her own backyard, and instead of commenting on the point, you drag out how some other religion used to do the same thing. classic deflection

Guy, why are you replying to replies to your own OP meme?

Until God sent his son to wipe the sins of man clean and completely change the way they did things before hand. Islam on the other hand, still practice slavery and rape and murder. Incest is also a huge Islamic problem. Imagine that.

Because it was different from what you think of as slavery. In Biblical times, you could sell yourself into slavery over debts. God gave him or her a day off in the ten commandments. After a certain number of years, they went free. We are on earth for but a short time.

Octavia...the world has moved on. Catch up. Slavery bad. Now you're just deflecting from the original intent of this meme. Can you not even begin to address what is going on today? Muslims are a large part of the slave trade. Pointing to a book you don't even believe to argue sideways against that doesn't even make sense, and I know you've got more sense than most on this site...

"What would you think of someone who said we need to get our morals and values from a certain book, when that book contains some good stuff and some really horrible barbaric stuff?"

Do you hear any Christians advocating slavery? Mass killing? Any Christians you know that currently own slaves? Nope? Then if were to hear someone say we should derive our morals from a certain book, I'd ask them to cite the places in the book and we could go from there. If they were agreeable and fit a universal moral, then I would agree with them even if they came from the Quran, which, incidentally, is just a retelling of the Old and New Testament to match Mohamed's narrative. The Bible has 44 authors, 66 books...all written at different times over the course of about 1200 years if you take the traditional estimate. That means there is historical context involved. When Christians or Jews speak of morals, they refer to those principles that transcend cultural and historical context choosing only those that transcend history and are universally accepted at all times and all places. And that...is an axiom held by conservative and liberal Christian theologian alike.

Which Book in the Bible is the 13th Amendment written?

In Brazil, till something like 1912 or 1921, it was legal to hunt Native Americans in the Amazon like game. And they got the biggest Jesus in the World.

Are you asking what book in the Bible sought to abolish slavery? Historically, the Catholic church was in charge of how the Bible was interpreted, and it interpreted it as subservient to church tradition, eg, whatever the church had established as true was seen as the standard for interpretation. If the church was ok with slavery, then the bible was interpreted defend it. The Reformation put an end to that, but didn't solve the problem right away. The practice of using the Bible to justify the current cultural conditions is practiced by many, even today, but the Historical Grammatical hermeneutic has gradually become the standard by which theologians interpret. It essentially seeks to understand the culture, time period, and historical knowledge available about the writer, hearers, and readers of the text as it was written, the same way historical documents are treated. Care is taken not to read into the text, but to let the text speak in the manner in which the author intended for his audience.

It was this new way of looking into the scriptures that fueled the Second Great Awakening and gave rise to the abolitionists, who were at the forefront of getting rid of slavery in America. It was the recognition that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with unalienable rights that led people to start questioning the context of their own culture. Perhaps when Paul stated in the book of Galatians, "28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." that people began realize that they were no better than other people of different color or cultural backgrounds. I don't know when it clicked, but it did and though some christians were still caught up in defending slavery, many others were at the front-lines fighting and dying to get rid of it. Either way Christians have moved on, and "some" Islamic groups are still stuck in the past, buying and selling slaves as is justified by their teachers of the faith.

I was joking... the 13th Amendment is in the Constitution, not the Bible.

The British Colonists were for the most part Protestant. This makes them post-Reformation, yes? That is, in itself, yet another giant step further away from the REAL Bible - or rather, the Torah, AKA Old Testament.

Having been raised Catholic - STILL the largest Christian denomination, said 'reformation' means absolutely nothing to the world I was raised in. I'm still sketchy on it. Something like they don't reconize the Pope and Saints and the Cross on their own Church steeples? Neither did I since I was a child.
Was Vatican II was THE modernization of Chrisitanity also? Just fancy nothings for two factions which share a book written by Romans who stole a religion and altered it - AS PROPHESIED - for purposes of political control. Both bogus corruptions of THE Book, THE Word - Catholicism & Protestantism, try as they might, can NOT alter what is written in the Torah. It permitted slavery, and has several rules stated involving it.

I am no longer a believer, but if I was, I'd go straight for God's word, not for the twisting of it by the very Europeans who perscectuted God's Chosen for 2000 years. (Back in the day I seriously considered converting to Judaism because, well, that IS what Jesus was and preached.)

"In Brazil, till something like 1912 or 1921, it was legal to hunt Native Americans in the Amazon like game. And they got the biggest Jesus in the World."

First...a point of clarity. There are no native Americans in Brazil. Indians in Brazil are native Brazilians, inventors of the "bald eagle" waxing technique. 0__0 .

Second...The biggest Jesus in the world is also the biggest idol in the world, which I'm pretty sure is in violation of the 1st Commandment. If they can't get that one right, then I don't look for them to get much else right either.

Native South Americans would be pleased.

Have you ever met a Christian that even slightly resembles Jews more than the pagans they are? It's like Harry Potter fans claiming to be Trekkies (or Trekkers lest anyone cry) but never having watched a single episode of Star Trek.
And before anyone harps on it being a majority of Catholics in Brazil, a majority of Protestants in the US of America had no problem with the practice of slavery.

In response to below..

Christians who resemble Jews. Weird. Why would they and still be called Christians? Christianity is historically the fulfillment of the Jewish prophesies that say their mandate to share God's word with the world would be handed over to another people, that God's word would be written in their heart instead of scrolls. To perhaps oversimplify it, Christians are the next step in a far reaching plan that includes not only the Jews, but every potential believer on Earth. Messianic Jews (the converse of your statement) are the most fervent Christians I've ever known, knowing the cultural context of the Old Testament in an existential manner Gentiles can't fully comprehend.

Majority of Christians in America had no problems with slavery? It was Christians that began the abolitionist movement that ended slavery, the majority of which lived in the north where the movement began. So while there Christians defending slavery, there were enough trying and dying to end it as well. It's what happens when progress take place. There are always those who try to hang on to their power, but it always fails in the end. Christianity has moved on. Many Christians died to make that happen. Not enough people in the Muslim community are trying to do the same to enact a substantial difference in the way they practice their own faith.

Because if there was such a prophecy fulfilled, it would be still Judaism.
There is no such mandate, they were a tribal people with a tribal God, no sharing allowed. Then as today. Messiahs are liberators who then proceed to rule through a time of peace and prosperity. On Earth - as the Kingdom is described, in the flesh, not at some future unkown date while the Messiah goes missing for millenia. The Torah is very physical, very now.

Messianic Jews are converts. Converts tend to be fervent.

How did they manage to get involved in the practice of slavery in the first then?
Why did it persist for centuries in America? Slavery coincidentally ended in the North as it wasn't really profitable. Given that to this day the South has always been more heavily religious, why did they continue the practice still stopped by Congress? Jim Crow, segragation, lynchings? Did the preacher forget to address those in Sunday Bible Study in the Bible Belt till just 50 years ago?

How many died to stop it? I know of John Brown as well as those risking their lives for the Underground Railroad, but not much else.

What Muslim community? One fifth of the Planet is Moslem. The 2nd oldest country in the World is Moslem. Some of the youngest countries in the World are Moslem. They are not one single community, not even the same sect.
The reason not " enough" are trying to end slavery is because it's not widespread nor even present in any of those countries. In fact, which countries permit it, because that's would be news to me? The only places that come to mind are isolated (illegal) cases in Saudi Arabia, and terrorists like ISIL were doing in Iraq and in Libya now.
What about the USA, where we do have slaves, far more than them, from slave prostitutes to cases of migrant farm workers?

God was not "okay" with slavery, He allowed it to take place when evil nations conquered evil nations. The wicked shall receive ten fold wickedness and shall burn for eternity in the lake of fire.

You see, when a nation turns away from God, that nation will be destroyed by God using other nations. And before Christ died and rose again, these things (caused by man's sin) were allowed by God. Wicked vs wicked.

It was just part of the land back then. But today people have learned and agree that slavery is bad and have indeed found religious justification to denounce it as the effects of the Second Great Awakening resulted in many evangelicals working to see the theoretical Christian view, that all people are essentially equal, made more of a practical reality. Or in 1801 at Cane Ridge, Kentucky, where American Methodists made anti-slavery sentiments a condition of church membership. I am referring to this to show that the Bible might accept Slavery to exist and regulates it a bit even, but the people have decided that it is wrong and have done much to see it gone

Was that in the 1860s?

The Bible was THE justification for CHRISTIANS utilizing slave labor, as was rape and murder of infidels (NEWS FLASH: That word is NOT Arabic).

Within a 10 years after Cristobal Colon & Co landed on what they christened Hispaniola in the name of Spain and THE Church, only 10% - that's 10,000, kiddos - of 100,000 Tainos were left.
Murder, hostage taking, rape, and yes, slavery were visited on those people in the shadow on the Cross, conversions provided on demand, complete with guns pointed at their heads.

They made for poor slaves, however - the practice being that alien to them - and familiar with the terrain, etc, they'd escape or die or get killed in the process. Thus began the importing of Africans for slavery, as not many Spanish were clambering nor had the means to go there and toil themselves in the tropical sun.

And it wasn't just the Spanish. English and Americans told the Native Americans as well as Africans that they being infidels allowed for their exploitation and mass murder, but converting to Christianity was an option out of that.
As generations of Christian African slaves and cross wearing, Treaty, American Flag & Jefferson Peace Medal bearing Native Americans blown to bits by the cavalry while they slept can attest, the Roman spilled blood of Jesus the Christ for the repented & saved Europeans did little to the save the asses of their 'brothers in Christ'

Barbaric acts by Molsems then and now does not negate that 'little' chapter in Western Christian history. Slavery, rape, and murder are bad regardles of which nickname we give to the God we claim allowed us to do so because we accepted Him into our hearts (whatever that means) and they didn't, so poo on them.

I wouldn't expect someone who hates Christianity to understand much of any of it. Even though you completely butchered American history. A common mistake among many people who were never taught the right history. Not everyone who landed here were Christians and not everyone who landed here were slave owners, nor did they believe in slavery.

But they're erasing history anyway, so what does it matter to even bother learning the correct history? Know what I mean?

No, I don't know what you mean.

And neither do you.

Don't lie and pretend to tell me what I feel, God don't like it.

I know more about what God likes than you seem to, but I'm also not the greatest Christian. I've never claimed to be. But I do know something about American history.

Dude, I just checked your profile. How is it possible you only have 610 features out of 3120 submissions?

But in all seriousness I deleted a lot of my own memes over the years. The memes that didn't do well or were kind of dumb.

Okay, thx. I know many of my memes disappeared when the streams split off.

Before I deleted my memes I had a feature rate (they used to show the feature rate, then decided to not show it for some reason) of 97%. Now it would be somewhere in the 30% range I think.

Yes, I remember that. Think I was at 94% before the purge.

What does that even mean?
Who are you? You know me?

Show, guy, don't tell.

"I know more than you do, so there"

Sure, ok. Have a cookie as a consolation prize.

I didn't claim I know more, I said I seem to know more.

Dammit, Spurs, I didn't know this was you, thought it was nobody from nowhere trying to be a wise ass...

I've been wanting to change my name for a long time but never could. Now we can.

I was wondering with MichiganLibetarian, like was that an old or alt acount or some crap!

Anyways, didn't mean to get that way with you, thought it was a stranger.

No, really, I like smart people.

Indulge me, educate my ignorant ass.

Show, guy, don't tell.

Do it.

You were supposed to illuminate me.
Right now you're guilty of the sin of lying and the sin of bearing false witness.
Rectify and redeem yourself.

Only you can take an issue between Muslims and Jews and make it about Christianity.

Yet you didn't mention the Buddhist slave trade of 1354 - 1975.

I came clean quickly.

Haha, I was like "wOt?"

Interestingly, Myanmar is only one of two countries that I know of where Muslims (the Rohingya minority) are the ones being persecuted, instead of the usual where in the rest of the other countries in the World they're attacking everyone else because, um, they're simply misunderstood or some crap. (The 2nd is China, who is being ultra harsh with it's Uighurs, but those Moslems do commit some terrorism too in their defense)

Anyways, so not only is this an ongoing thing, it's Buddhists who are doing the attacking, and on top of that, Buddhist MONKS started it, leading marches to slaughter them!
And unlike our 'refugees' to the south or those 'refugees' stampeding Europe, these people are being massacred in the thousands. Try to escape, and the army mows them down!

Funny none of the bleeding hearts here or the EU are flying them out. Probably too busy rescuing future terrorists from Somalia.