Change My Mind

Just the Jewish ones.

She hates Jewish people and that's a fact. She's quite open about it and seems to wear that as a badge of honor.

And Donald Trump is the racist, not her. Pffft!

No matter if the accusations against Ilhan Omar are true or based on nothing at all, that does not pardon what Trump said about her, and many other people for that matter.

He said nothing that wasn't true.

If "He" means Donald Trump, then I will NEVER EVER again take any statement YOU make seriously. Most of what Trump said about ANY subject is a lie, and if not a lie, only half the facts, so people would make the wrong assumptions, which is in my book even worse.

Now "Go back to your own country" which is what he was branded racist for in the case of Omar, holds neither truth nor lies, meaning that you now told me half the facts, so that's why I needed to make the fact full. He told her this solely because she's both Muslim, black and born outside of the U.S. but not based on the content of her statement, and yes that is islamophic, racist and immigrant-phobic, which are 3 forms of discrimmination in one go, and I wouldn't be surprised if in Trump's case sexism can be added as the 4th form. Now if Omar openly hates Jews is irrelevant when it comes to judging racist remarks from his side. Omar's faults do not justify other people's faults and goes for Trump as well. Now all I could find about Omar in relation to Jews is that she criticized Israel for several things, well and Jewish state or not, but Israel has some issues that are not right, and addressing those is not hating Jews... Jews are humans too know know so they do have faults, just like Muslims, Buddhists and Christians. Could you directly link me to things she did or said that are antisemitic? I already follow tons of news, but I don't have time to follow each and every politician, as I also keep track of politics in other countries than just the USA, you know.

Fact remains, whether Omar is a antisemitic or not, does not change the fact that Trump's remark was racist. The meme in my previous post refers to the "His sins do not justify your own" quote from Game of Thrones (said to Cercei in relation to her former husband).

Addressing errors of somebody is not the same as hating them or discriminating them. Solely criticizing them (or trying to 'lock them out') on their location of birth, skin color, gender or religion and ignoring what they actually do or say, is discrimination! Clear case... I can't help it.

Are you writing a blog? Not going to read a book. It's a meme site.

And how to recognize a troll... They post crappy remarks, and when being rightfully lectured, they make claim not to read it, and the übertrolls even make up a weak excuse to get away with that. (That or they know they've run out of proper argumentation and now have a reason to stick to their own "opinion").

Takes me a lot of typing all the time, but 100% hit rate! Guaranteed!

No, I just don't feel like reading a manifesto on a meme site. I skimmed it and you're still wrong on most of it. You claim Donald Trump is a racist and I said he isn't. I think we're done here.

Ah, so you did read my post (most trolls do, but deny it), and I'm not "wrong" and you know it, and that's why you don't post proper argumentation (because there isn't any, and not out of laziness). And "we're done here", is the chicken escape.
I've been on the internet for at least 22 years now, roughly estimated. And I hate nothing more than abuse of words like "racist" as it's been a magic word to "win" a discussion in which people are wrong. I don't use that word lightly. Neither do I use the word "antisemitic" lightly, and that's why I wanted to see links in which Omar acted like an antisemitic... Are they as non-existent as good argumentation that Trump is not a racist?

I don't have to argue that Trump isn't racist. His record over the past 40 years proves it.

Over the past 40 years, eh?
- He wanted to see Obama's birth certificate solely because Obama was black! (racist motive)
- He told these women to go back to their "home country" based on their skin color, religion or supposed origins (racist + religion discrimination)
- Generalizing Mexicans solely based on their nationality (discrimination)

And so the list of incidents has only just begun.... And there are many many more.... What does his record show exactly? That you are closing your eyes and hide yourself from the truth! I think you don't have to argue that he is one and that his past record shows it. As a matter of fact being discriminating + spreading hatred propaganda was one of the reasons he actually won the presidential elections in the first place, but by denying he's racist you as a Trump supporter can clean your own house, isn't it?

And if not racist he's at least a xenophobe, but for me discrimination is discrimination, and you can't deny he discriminates. And don't blame me for "looking away", as I hate it when people accuse me of the sins they commit themselves. Especially when I come to my conclusions because I do not "look away".

And I've been asking multiple times for the links that can show me the Jew-hating actions/words by Omar.... I guess I can wait for them forever, eh? (I want them because I don't look away, but I do not know everything, so come on, show them!)

"- He wanted to see Obama's birth certificate solely because Obama was black! (racist motive)
- He told these women to go back to their "home country" based on their skin color, religion or supposed origins (racist + religion discrimination)
- Generalizing Mexicans solely based on their nationality (discrimination)"

All of this is opinion. A crappy opinion, but all based off of your opinion. There is absolutely no basis for this opinion and you just making accusations doesn't make it true.

It isn't racist to want to see a birth certificate. I could easily say it's racist to want to see Trump's tax returns. "it's cause he's white and you don't like rich white people!"

Generalizing Mexicans? No one is generalizing Mexicans and for you to claim he is, is in fact racist. Did you know that over 60% of Hispanics/Latinos agree with a secure border and disagree with illegal immigration? I'm guessing you don't.

Keep watching CNN, it seems to be working for you.

Actually you don't appear to know the difference between an opinion or a fact. Or you are turning facts into opinions just to deny them. Oh, and I rarely watch CNN, by the way. I got other news channels to follow, and I also do some research about what journalists tell me. Anyway NOTHING I just said is based on what CNN told me, as I haven't been watching CNN (at least not as far as politics has been concerned) since, say, the last 2 years of Obama's term in office.

And I know what these folks say. I don't need you to tell me. But I've also met black people who hate black people, so that doesn't change a thing as far as Trump is concerned. The people who beat up gays are also quite often gay themselves. And I do know how criminal Mexico is... Why do you think Mexicans want to cross the border so badly? And now you lay a false claim of racism on me, and I already told you I hate abuse of that word. In fact, since that leads to racism not being taken seriously anymore I deem it worse that racism itself. And I did not insult you. You feel insulted because you wanna save your own hide in this discussion.

I have learned to THINK for myself, and come to CONCLUSIONS based on facts, and by weighting and verifying and combining stories. From BOTH sides actually. Both the so-called "left" and "right".

Asking for the certificate itself was not racist, that's true... The reason why he asked was. I mention this not to justify myself (I don't need to justify anything), I note it as you deliberately remove crucial points from this discussion to hand me a wrong implication. Oldest trick in the book to "win" discussion when you are on the "wrong" side of the "fight". And I don't remember talking about tax returns.... And for your information, I am white myself... I need to note it as you appear to think I'm racist against the white. And I don't hate people because they have a skin color or belong to a certain nation or religion. I only hate people who did bad stuff to me as a person. That's a quality I'm quite proud of as it doesn't seem to be a common talent, and you've proven that once more.

You're furious with me, aren't ya? Too bad I wasn't even TRYING to troll you. In fact it was not even my intention. I'm just reasoning, and yeah, I think Trump is doing things the wrong way with the wrong motives, and I've set out my argumentation.

And one more word of advice... Don't leave out stuff when you try to prove somebody wrong, and don't mistake facts for opinions.

No, I'm not furious with you. I'm not a hurt snowflake sjw you more than likely deal with on here. I couldn't care less what your opinions are on Donald Trump or anyone else. I just know how it works these days. You don't like what someone says, just call them a racist.

Anyway, your long blog was pointless as I still disagree with you. It's been fun.

"I couldn't care less what your opinions are on Donald Trump or anyone else."

Funny, your posts clearly show otherwise

"I just know how it works these days."

Oh, you do?

"You don't like what someone says, just call them a racist."

Terrible, eh? When people do that! And you've just shown why I hate that, as you are now generalizing every time that word is used, neglecting there people who DO use that word in a well-thought manner, do actually exist. And now we have the situation that everybody using that word can safely be ignored.
I guess I should show this discussion to everybody who abuses the word "racist" to see what kind of damage it does. You've provided me better evidence of that, than anybody has ever done before so THANK YOU FOR THAT ONE! I never thought that somebody who disagreed with me, could be this helpful.

Fact remains that Trump provided neither fact nor truth about the people he spreads hatred about, and the facts that do seem correct provide only half of the story deliberately leading to wrong assumptions.... Lying without actually speaking untruths... Perhaps there's a future for him as a lawyer.

I won't claim Obama was the best president. There are things in his agenda I didn't like either. And let's not mention the administration of Bush-jr. Did you know there are also things that I actually agree on with Trump. Like Europe needing to be less dependent on the US for its (military) defense, for example. (Funny to note is that Obama said that too, although he used a more subtle kind of wording... details). And I would also be the first to say that what happened between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky was downright dumb.

And to return the ball you just hit to me, as the pot's calling the kettle black on this one too. You accuse people of using the word "racist" whenever they hear things they don't like. What is Trump doing? Calling people whiners, just because of an opinion he didn't like. "Whine" is also a common word used to block-out unwanted opinions. I've also seen a politician in outside the US for blaming teachers of indoctrination because they said things about him he didn't like. So I guess Trump's not alone.

Oh, and where are the "anti-Jew/white/whatever" actions/speeches of Omar I asked for. I still don't have them... The question has been ignored so far... Is Omar actually guilty or not? I really wanna know (doesn't change my opinion about Trump has her actions do not justify his, bust still).

White nationalist memes told me so.

Why is her last name in quotation marks?

maybe this? - "In Hebrew the meaning of the name Omar is: Disrespectful. Immature."

Doesn't help make that much clearer.

hence the question mark

[image deleted]'cause it's not her real last name. Nur Said Elmi is her real last name. It's what I do...

That's certainly the name of her first husband buuuuuut do you have sources to support your assertion that it's HER last name?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/ilhan-omars-father-was-top-official-in-genocidal-barre-regime-then-he-changed-his-name-to-sneak-into-the-us-illegally/

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