But it IS fully alive, just not fully functional perhaps.
Then again, who is totally functional on their own?

Also, regardless of stage of development, it is (assuming all is normal) en route to becoming an independent living being, its own person.

True that.

I just have a bad habit of using the wrong wording every now and then.

Well seeing that semantics is most of what these people argue over rather than actual topic.....

I'm just trying to see how far I can push them. It's honestly quite fun.

Yet you asked me to defend your position which isn't totally one I share.

Fully alive?!?!?!?
Seriously. Only a person completely devoid of any scientific understanding would deny that the baby/fetus, is composed of living cells. So, FACT: alive. Genetic analysis will show, those cells are distinct human cells, not part of the mother's genetic code. So, FACT: human. So killing the baby is ending human life.
And BTW, picking flowers, does in fact, KILL the flowers, albeit slowly.
Further point: your false equivalence strawman of mass murder is inapplicable since only humans can be "murdered"

What? You managed to BOTH take something out of context AND use strawmen AT THE SAME TIME?!

You got some talent there.

Even I can stomach a pro choice argument but you are too much

Not to sound like a dirt bag, but the only pro choice argument that makes a bit of sense to me is that it reduces crime and other problems by a lot because there are less unwanted poor black babies. Still, that is definitely not constitutional or moral thinking so I am pro lifeish. I would say a month or two is fine as well as expanding birth control and availability.

I'm too much? 'Guess I won.

Nice to see you both lost this. :)

No you just cant argue. And I dont use shitty arguments, other people do. I argue a point.

You literally cant argue past two pages of your npc manual.

Can't you see I'm doing this on purpose? I'm giving you lifeless morons a taste of your own medicine.

Libtard logic, everyone. Taken to an impressive level.

SAVE THE FLOWERS!!1!111111!!! D:››››

Are you some kind of Pee Wee Herman or something? I point out your strawman usage of falsely equating babies and flowers, and you go all "I know you are, but what am I?" On me, and try to pretend I'm the one using a strawman????

That is spectacularly obtuse.

And, you addressed none of my points, you just deflected.

Would you care to try again, or just give up in defeat (recommended for your poor position)

FLOWERS ARE LIVING BEINGS, TOO! WE MUST PROTECT THEM!

I thought you were P R O - L I F E !

Vocabulary.com defines a "being" as: A being is any living creature, from a person to a bug.
So plant life does not qualify.
Additional, I also never said I was pro-Life. I am anti-abortion aka anti- baby murder.

SAVE THE FLOWERS!

"To vag's sad attempt at refutation using the wikipedia of dictionaries, thefreedictionary, ... no, wrong again. DJFox, used the noun form of being, as in living beings, which does not agree with your definition of "a property or quality" which would be a verb or adverb form, and a different definition.
You failagain."

Wait. I thought you right-wingers believed that facts are more important than feelings! Hypocritical much?

Idiot.

To vag's sad attempt at refutation using the wikipedia of dictionaries, thefreedictionary, ... no, wrong again. DJFox, used the noun form of being, as in living beings, which does not agree with your definition of "a property or quality" which would be a verb or adverb form, and a different definition.
You failagain.

Holy definitions Batman, DJFox doesn't even realize I presented the facts.

Actually genetic analysis will show the unborn baby is 50% (plus mitochondria in addition, which is solely passed from mother to offspring) part of the mother's genetic code. Because genes.

No, wrong. You know nothing about genetics obviously. Try googling "independent assortment" and "crossing over" and educate yourself.

In any case, it is not genetically equal to the mother, therefore it is not the mother, therefore, not her body.

Oh emptyheaded one, "share" means nothing, any siblings you might have share a percentage of genetics with you and despite the fact that they should, that does not give them the right to snuff you out, nor does it thankfully for any putative they, make them, you.

I keep fergittin that fer yer ilk that scientifical stuff is jus' librul fantasyin'

Your lack of imagination is anything but astounding.

But a flower is still a life.

So, by your logic, picking flowers is genocide.

And, by your logic, killing a bunch of ants, flies, or cockroaches is genocide as well.

There you go again with the false equivalence. Genocide applies only to people. Additionally, even IF genocide applied to flowers, picking one group of flowers, unless they were the only one left of that species, would not be genocide.
So, you are doubly wrong.

And again, YOU brought up genocide. Suggesting I feel the extermination of ants, flies or cockroaches is genocide, would be a lie AND another strawman manufactured by you.

E-X-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N is, by intent and design, genocidal.
You might want to look the word up for clarification.

No, wrong again. Extermination can be localized, genocide only applies to people and it's meaning is applied to attempts to exterminate all of a particular arbitrarily defined type of people. Killing six Russians in an apartment building can be an extermination, but it is not genocide. Also, you are an idiot, so you wont understand any of this.

Honey, if all you're getting is a handful of ants while trying to wipe out the nest, that only proves what a failure you are, something you require no explanation of.

Ugh, the thought of you calling me honey is as gross as as the idea of a Hillary presidency, and the fact you missed the point again is as expected as gravity still being there when I drop something.

Haha, you said "thought"


- as if you were capable.

My boogers possess more thought than you.

abortion is genocide because my bible tells me so

i am indeed an intelligent free thinker

In our conversation, YOU, are the only one talking about genocide, and YOU are now the only one bringing religion into it, albeit sarcastically.
I don't base my opposition to baby murder on religion. I'm agnostic.

gotta love them strawmen

thats why we must resort to Kool Kidz Klan™. xDddDDDdDDdDDdD

I accept your declaration of your defeat.

LEFT WING EPICALLY DESTROYED!!!!1!1!1! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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But I didn't declare defeat. :)

"thats why we must resort to Kool Kidz Klan™. xDddDDDdDDdDDdD" without any refutation of what I stated or it completely lacking any value intristic to the conversation, is as exacting definition of throwing in the towel that can be found from a lib